The Playstation 3 has been "jailbroken" MOD NOTE POST 220

Varik · 01-09-2010 2:15pm

madmoe wrote: »

I use VidZone all the time, will not work now if there is mandatory firmware update......but there is no way I'm gonna update now this is out!!

VidZone and psn will be unavailable to you if you uses these, regardless of if a new firmware is released.

madmoe · 01-09-2010 2:17pm

Bummer....

aN.Droid · 01-09-2010 9:43pm

Posted to death buuuuuuttttt............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

madmoe · 02-09-2010 10:24am

Seems to be **** loads of clones on the way and guys using the code that was made available too!!

02-09-2010 11:09am

Who cares about clones, the exploit has been released. Get a Teensy ++ board, program the .hex and away you go.

madmoe · 02-09-2010 11:10am

cisk wrote: »

Who cares about clones, the exploit has been released. Get a Teensy ++ board, program the .hex and away you go.

Sound...me is not well up on all that though! I wonder who will be the first in Dublin to start selling then ;-) I sure will buy one.....

Myrddin · 02-09-2010 11:17am

madmoe wrote: »

Sound...me is not well up on all that though! I wonder who will be the first in Dublin to start selling then ;-) I sure will buy one.....

The "bloke down the pub" is going to have a field day with these, expect hefty prices.

Varik · 02-09-2010 11:45am

It might be a good idea to make a thread or add to one in the Playstation forum, and state the advantages, disadvantages and risks that are involved while keeping it separate form the guides and faq that the console mod section will have. A good few people will be looking and may regret it later even if it works fine.

ledmanroy · 02-09-2010 11:49am

any sign of the software on the net yet!!

Zeouterlimits · 02-09-2010 11:53am

ledmanroy wrote: »

any sign of the software on the net yet!!

The software is afaik, but you still need the €30 special usb stick.

Myrddin · 02-09-2010 1:01pm

Varik wrote: »

It might be a good idea to make a thread or add to one in the Playstation forum, and state the advantages, disadvantages and risks that are involved while keeping it separate form the guides and faq that the console mod section will have. A good few people will be looking and may regret it later even if it works fine.

As it stands, the ONLY use for this so far is to backup games. While the ethics of this are down to the individual, the risk of a PSN account & hardware ban is almost certain.

Advantages - I suppose a person could consider it convenient to have their PS3 game library backed up, & playable without having to swap discs. That's it, for now.

Disadvantages - Goodbye PSN, no more firmware updates (although at the rate Sony is removing features, this could be a benefit

), some will say it contributes to lesser quality games/fewer exclusives/3rd party dev problems, laser burnouts as the dumping process seems pretty intensive, god knows what else :pac:

Leiva · 02-09-2010 5:16pm

Its going to boil down to personal preference ...

Buy one of these Yokes and get free "backed up" games , but sacrifice your on line gaming .

OR

Stick with your virgin PS3 and keep it On Line/Multplayer .

For me at this moment in time its a simple decision .
I wont want/need to back-up my games , nothing got to do with piracy (wont go into that right now :eek: ) but I play nearly all my games on line .I wont be giving that up for nothing .

Multiplayer is the future , what might happen is people will have 2 consoles
1 with a shoite load of ripped off line games .
1 for their on line experience .

M.

WolfForager · 02-09-2010 5:19pm

I have no interest in pirating games and i have a somewhat passionate hatred of pirates, so i shall not be using it!

gizmo · 02-09-2010 5:29pm

mixednuts wrote: »

Multiplayer is the future , what might happen is people will have 2 consoles
1 with a shoite load of ripped off line games .
1 for their on line experience .

Aye, and then they'll try and justify it by saying they can't afford games...:o

Myrddin · 02-09-2010 5:30pm

WolfForager wrote: »

I have no interest in pirating games and i have a somewhat passionate hatred of pirates, so i shall not be using it!

But the authors release has the piracy features disabled, so using it isn't akin to being a pirate (well the proper release anyway). The author is actually somewhat of an anti-pirate himself believe it or not. It's just at the moment there's nothing else to run, except the backup manager. I expect that to change over the next few months though...

mink_man · 02-09-2010 5:38pm

this usb thingy means you stick the usb into the console, save the game you currently have in the disktray onto this, then you can take the disc out and the game is on the usb so you don't need the disc anymore?

Varik · 02-09-2010 5:43pm

EnterNow wrote: »

But the authors release has the piracy features disabled, so using it isn't akin to being a pirate (well the proper release anyway). The author is actually somewhat of an anti-pirate himself believe it or not. It's just at the moment there's nothing else to run, except the backup manager. I expect that to change over the next few months though...

From what i've heard he didn't remove the feature but as you said disabled it, it would be hard to just set some config value = , which is what the later released version had from someone else.

People need Sony's tools to program for the ps3, the result of homebrew is still created with pirated tools.

jenno86 · 02-09-2010 5:53pm

mink_man wrote: »

this usb thingy means you stick the usb into the console, save the game you currently have in the disktray onto this, then you can take the disc out and the game is on the usb so you don't need the disc anymore?

Kinda

Daemos · 02-09-2010 6:24pm

I don't see the point to any of this. I mean it's not as if swapping discs manually is a massive chore, is it? :rolleyes:

Headshot · 02-09-2010 6:42pm

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

I don't see the point to any of this. I mean it's not as if swapping discs manually is a massive chore, is it? :rolleyes:

go to xtra vision, rent a game, copy it and bring it back

never have to buy a game again

Retr0gamer · 02-09-2010 6:43pm

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

I don't see the point to any of this. I mean it's not as if swapping discs manually is a massive chore, is it? :rolleyes:

If you have the HD exploit on your PS2 then you'd know how handy it is. Also saves on wear and tear on the disc drive and reduces heat generated from the disc drive.

Daemos · 02-09-2010 7:04pm

Meh. I still won't be getting it. Even though I rarely play online it's still handy to have, and since I don't have the dough to fork out for another PS3 I'm not going to risk losing it for the novelty of getting the games cheaper.

Oat23 · 02-09-2010 7:32pm

Headshot wrote: »

go to xtra vision, rent a game, copy it and bring it back

never have to buy a game again

The Sligo xtra vision lets you rent games for a minimum of 1 week and it costs €10. I don't know if it's the same in others.

Still worth it :pac:.

Myrddin · 02-09-2010 8:07pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If you have the HD exploit on your PS2 then you'd know how handy it is. Also saves on wear and tear on the disc drive and reduces heat generated from the disc drive.

Agreed. I've the PS2 exploit running, with all my games archived onto an IDE drive inside the console, it's VERY nice to use. I don't have to worry about the sub-standard laser units that Sony use (to this day) burning out, & loading times are cut massively. I'll prob never use the dvd drive in it again tbh.

Although the PS3 method differs slightly, I can see the appeal of it for some.

The renting games thing to copy is bad form.

Varik · 03-09-2010 1:31pm

the Australians gave the name of the original makers if anyone cares

China Sun Trading Limited.

the lawsuit is adjourned now but i don't know the results.

some people were saying the lawsuit doesn't matter and Sony would be better spending time and money on a fix, personally i don'y want anyone to profit from piracy as they would have but i don't include the parts to buy yourself as someone making a profit.

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 1:39pm

Varik wrote: »

the Australians gave the name of the original makers if anyone cares

China Sun Trading Limited.

the lawsuit is adjourned now but i don't know the results.

some people were saying the lawsuit doesn't matter and Sony would be better spending time and money on a fix, personally i don'y want anyone to profit from piracy as they would have but i don't include the parts to buy yourself as someone making a profit.

The lawsuit is over, the injunction is permanent. Refunds have begun for anyone who ordered it, it seems.

Personal piracy is bad, but piracy for profit I find very hard to abide by. I do be sick seeing Flash Cards etc on stalls loaded with games going for crazy money.

aN.Droid · 03-09-2010 2:56pm

Some might say that they won the battle but lost the war.

Don't get me wrong im not for piracy but I love homebrew. I have made applications for the psp and am looking forward to doing the same for the ps3.

once ps3 groove is ported to android, iOS and psp people will have so many ways to hack there ps3 and I will be one of them.

Sony lost but are definatly went down fighting. I just feel sorry for the guys who where selling it, they will lose so much money!

WolfForager · 03-09-2010 3:00pm

They got what they deserved tbh.

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 3:11pm

WolfForager wrote: »

They got what they deserved tbh.

Agreed, they were going for the big-time with this one. Serves them all right tbh.

aN.Droid · 03-09-2010 3:16pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Agreed, they were going for the big-time with this one. Serves them all right tbh.

It was psjailbreak that set the price not the two companies that where attacked in this injunction.

They are offering a refund to anyone that ordered also, at least they didn't turn tail and run!

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 3:27pm

Limericks wrote: »

It was psjailbreak that set the price not the two companies that where attacked in this injunction.

They are offering a refund to anyone that ordered also, at least they didn't turn tail and run!

Oh really? I wasn't aware of the price being pre-set by CST, is there a source? Good point re the refunds, but I wouldn't say they'd get away with something like that, particularly after a court injunction where the directors were all undoubtadly named/appeared. Those distrib's are red-hot now in terms of the law & they're next move.

Varik · 03-09-2010 3:42pm

Was about to call EnterNow an idiot and mentioning all the bad thing about this hack and the loss developers will see, but on further comments it appears you were not talking about Sony deserving this.

If the price was not set by CST then the other retailers would have a least tried to undercut each other a bit.

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 4:09pm

Varik wrote: »

Was about to call EnterNow an idiot and mentioning all the bad thing about this hack and the loss developers will see, but on further comments it appears you were not talking about Sony deserving this.

If the price was not set by CST then the other retailers would have a least tried to undercut each other a bit.

Not a wise thing to do here, whether it's about me or anyone else

But no I can assure you I'm all for protecting the developers in this case Varik. I'm very against anyone making money out of this, on the backs of console/game devs.

Varik · 03-09-2010 4:18pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Not a wise thing to do here, whether it's about me or anyone else But no I can assure you I'm all for protecting the developers in this case Varik. I'm very against anyone making money out of this, on the backs of console/game devs.

You're preaching to the Choir, probably would have just muttered to myself about it or tweeted to my millions of followers .

I had to choose between my linux install and psn and even if i was a pirate or this was legal and it was free games vs psn, i'd still pick psn.

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 4:27pm

Varik wrote: »

You're preaching to the Choir, probably would have just muttered to myself about it or tweeted to my millions of followers .

I had to choose between my linux install and psn and even if i was a pirate or this was legal and it was free games vs psn, i'd still pick psn.

I don't think it's illegal to use the exploit, using the backup manager is a different story as you pointed out earlier (it's built with the Sony SDK)...but the exploit is just clever usb traffic. Although it does imitate the HW/ID of a genuine jig, but as to the legality of that...I'm not so sure it's illegal...is it??

aN.Droid · 03-09-2010 4:27pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Oh really? I wasn't aware of the price being pre-set by CST, is there a source? Good point re the refunds, but I wouldn't say they'd get away with something like that, particularly after a court injunction where the directors were all undoubtadly named/appeared. Those distrib's are red-hot now in terms of the law & they're next move.

*snip dodgy site*

Varik · 03-09-2010 4:35pm

EnterNow wrote: »

I don't think it's illegal to use the exploit, using the backup manager is a different story as you pointed out earlier (it's built with the Sony SDK)...but the exploit is just clever usb traffic. Although it does imitate the HW/ID of a genuine jig, but as to the legality of that...I'm not so sure it's illegal...is it??

I meant piracy, as in using this hack to get free games. Either was i'm sticking with psn.

Limericks wrote: »

*snip

China has taken it's own route in communism and this does not surprise me, was in a restaurant(not very fancy one) there and a can of coke was about €3, got one from a vending machine for €0.30ish a bit latter.

Myrddin · 03-09-2010 4:46pm

Varik wrote: »

I meant piracy, as in using this hack to get free games. Either was i'm sticking with psn.

China has taken it's own route in communism and this does not surprise me, was in a restaurant(not very fancy one) there and a can of coke was about €3, got one from a vending machine for €0.30ish a bit latter.

Ah you see, that's the problem. People are associating the exploit with the backup manager programme...although it's likely the two will go hand in hand, it is worth pointing out that the backup app is a completely seperate programme. For the record & all that

Cheers for the link, one of the distrib's could have knocked the image together though to take the heat off themselves, but anythings possible I guess. If true, then CST deserve everything they get. Didn't know your in China...lucky sod

3 quid for a can, must be the Oriental Tiger...a close cousin of the now thought extinct Celtic Tiger.

gizmo · 03-09-2010 4:55pm

Limericks wrote: »

*snip*

Hah, so much for honour amongst thieves. :rolleyes:

Varik · 03-09-2010 4:59pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Didn't know your in China...lucky sod 3 quid for a can, must be the Oriental Tiger...a close cousin of the now thought extinct Celtic Tiger.

I'm not right now, prices vary a lot there more so if the city has many foreign tourists the inland cities aren't anywhere near as bad.

gizmo wrote: »

Hah, so much for honour amongst thieves. :rolleyes:

not sure about honour but "Among Thieves" is there

Leiva · 05-09-2010 2:00pm

2 of the jailbreak trailblazers for the iPhone (Comex & Musclenerd) are now on the ps3jailbreak bus .
It seems that ps3groove is been ported to the iPhone so the iPhone can be used to jailbreak the PS3.

http://is.gd/eW0o0

Let me say one thing about these 2 devs , they hate anything got to do with piracy and constantly communicate that their jailbreak methods are never for piracy related material .

gizmo · 05-09-2010 2:55pm

mixednuts wrote: »

2 of the jailbreak trailblazers for the iPhone (Comex & Musclenerd) are now on the ps3jailbreak bus .
It seems that ps3groove is been ported to the iPhone so the iPhone can be used to jailbreak the PS3.

http://is.gd/eW0o0

Let me say one thing about these 2 devs , they hate anything got to do with piracy and constantly communicate that their jailbreak methods are never for piracy related material .

While that is noble in some respects, the fact remains that the release of ps3groove has now enabled the playback of backed up games on consoles. Personally I don't think it's worth the cost...

Myrddin · 05-09-2010 3:48pm

gizmo wrote: »

While that is noble in some respects, the fact remains that the release of ps3groove has now enabled the playback of backed up games on consoles. Personally I don't think it's worth the cost...

It was an inevetability, there's not a console on the planet which hasn't be made to run homebrew. The only good point, is nobody's going to get rich from the theft of games in this case, as it's source is free.

The jailbreak was selling for about e120 to Ireland & most other countries. Considering what the manufacturing costs are, the profit was going to be astronomical. If Sony get into gear and get an update out which blocks this, and make it a PSN compulsory update, before any firmware tools get developed, they may just be ok given the volume of PSN users. Still, it's the 3rd party devs I feel sorry for.

Varik · 05-09-2010 3:56pm

EnterNow wrote: »

It was an inevetability, there's not a console on the planet which hasn't be made to run homebrew. The only good point, is nobody's going to get rich from the theft of games in this case, as it's source is free.

The jailbreak was selling for about e120 to Ireland & most other countries. Considering what the manufacturing costs are, the profit was going to be astronomical. If Sony get into gear and get an update out which blocks this, and make it a PSN compulsory update, before any firmware tools get developed, they may just be ok given the volume of PSN users. Still, it's the 3rd party devs I feel sorry for.

Sony's last firmware update or possibly the one before that allow for only small portion of the firmware to be downloaded that had the necessary changes. Before you'd need to download the full 130MB firmware each time Sony got an new idea, but not only small file downloads are needed.

Myrddin · 05-09-2010 4:29pm

Varik wrote: »

Sony's last firmware update or possibly the one before that allow for only small portion of the firmware to be downloaded that had the necessary changes. Before you'd need to download the full 130MB firmware each time Sony got an new idea, but not only small file downloads are needed.

Yep...but what's that got to do with an update to prevent the exploit?

Varik · 05-09-2010 4:38pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Yep...but what's that got to do with an update to prevent the exploit?

It means that every time Sony find an exploit and a way to prevent it, it won't mean a 130MB update a comparatively slow speed and will mean that the update could be very small.

Myrddin · 05-09-2010 4:52pm

Varik wrote: »

It means that every time Sony find an exploit and a way to prevent it, it won't mean a 130MB update a comparatively slow speed and will mean that the update could be very small.

Of course, and they also I think I read somewhere, that under the new T&C's thet are allowed run background updates, without the users input. Whether they will or not is another question. Sooner they get a fix out the better, if firmware tools get developed they will have lost their chance to incentivise the updates. Look at the Wii scene for example.

Varik · 05-09-2010 5:03pm

EnterNow wrote: »

Of course, and they also I think I read somewhere, that under the new T&C's thet are allowed run background updates, without the users input. Whether they will or not is another question. Sooner they get a fix out the better, if firmware tools get developed they will have lost their chance to incentivise the updates. Look at the Wii scene for example.

Is that what happened with the current firmware and the HDD problems, i tried to update to the fixed version and it said i had it already(maybe got the wrong file).

Myrddin · 05-09-2010 6:01pm

Varik wrote: »

Is that what happened with the current firmware and the HDD problems, i tried to update to the fixed version and it said i had it already(maybe got the wrong file).

It's possible, but I didn't think ther were actively doing it at the mo. Maybe a game update you got had it?

Yakult · 05-09-2010 6:41pm

So, I dont have a clue about any of this, can someone tell me what pro's are there for this "Jailbreak"? Whats the point of it etc.

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