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  • #102
    padocon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭padocon


    Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
    She said Tarfs are:
    24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
    Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
    Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
    Storage heating night same as night rate


  • #103
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    dvpower wrote: »
    There seems to be no barrier at all to switching (no new meter, no connection fee ...), so this seems like a no brainer.

    I'm naturally suspicious when I see a no brainer. I wonder if it might be worth waiting a few weeks to see what (if anything) ESB responds with.

    Oh I think it's time people educated themselves on the workings of the electricity market.

    ESB are precluded by the regulator from charging anything other than the tariff set down so they can't respond. They wanted to reduce priecs last year and were not allowed. So no point waiting. Change to Bord Gais today.
    There can be no connection charge because the connection exists already, and no new meter as the meter belongs to ESB Networks.
    ESB Networks will still read the meters, operate the distribution network and respond to any no-supply calls. You will just be billed by Bord Gais as the supplier. ESB makes very little profit from the Generation or Supply businesses it holds but profits more from the Distribution activity. The Regulator decides what payment per Unit ESB Networks gets form Bord Gais and others for the use of the distribution system. Most of ESB doesn't care who you actually buy your electricity from as long as you use plenty and it travels through their networks. Bord Gais may even buy power from ESB Powergen if they sell more than they can generate themselves. The market has been open for years and most Industrial and Commercial customers (where the real profit is) have moved from ESB Customer Supply years ago.


  • #104
    patrickc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭patrickc


    ive switched over there, the only drawback so far was a 200 deposit ive to pay , even though im a gas customer for years, and have always payed my bill on time, just because they I don't own this house.

    you get the depositi back after 6/7 bills


  • #105
    soc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭soc


    padocon wrote: »
    Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89


    I assume that it should be 9.89 versus 19.89? Otherwise that would be SOME saving :p


  • #106
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Colby Stale Creek wrote: »
    Oh I think it's time people educated themselves on the workings of the electricity market.

    ESB are precluded by the regulator from charging anything other than the tariff set down so they can't respond. They wanted to reduce priecs last year and were not allowed. So no point waiting. Change to Bord Gais today.
    There can be no connection charge because the connection exists already, and no new meter as the meter belongs to ESB Networks.
    ESB Networks will still read the meters, operate the distribution network and respond to any no-supply calls. You will just be billed by Bord Gais as the supplier. ESB makes very little profit from the Generation or Supply businesses it holds but profits more from the Distribution activity. The Regulator decides what payment per Unit ESB Networks gets form Bord Gais and others for the use of the distribution system. Most of ESB doesn't care who you actually buy your electricity from as long as you use plenty and it travels through their networks. Bord Gais may even buy power from ESB Powergen if they sell more than they can generate themselves. The market has been open for years and most Industrial and Commercial customers (where the real profit is) have moved from ESB Customer Supply years ago.

    Thanks for the info Colby Stale Creek. Could have done without the condescending tone 'though.


  • #107
    pavelpro
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭pavelpro


    padocon wrote: »
    Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
    She said Tarfs are:
    24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
    Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
    Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
    Storage heating night same as night rate

    Still didnt get it, airtricity still cheap if you go for ebill and DD

    RBAN 24 HR -
    General Units - 24 Hr (kWh) - 14.92c
    Night Storage Heating Units (kWh) - 7.89c


  • #108
    hedgeh0g
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭hedgeh0g


    I’m a "Gas person"

    Is there a minimum contract, e.g. if I move house / county / planet?


  • #109
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Ok so Airtricity say 10% cheaper and Bord Gais are saying there even cheaper yet Airtricity appear to be actually cheaper numbers wise...am I missing something?


  • #110
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    padocon wrote: »
    Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
    She said Tarfs are:
    24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
    Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
    Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
    Storage heating night same as night rate

    Those ESB prices look a little high to me
    Urban 24 Hour is
    General units (kWh) €0.1640
    Night storage heating units (kWh) €0.0867

    Urban Night Saver is
    Day units (kWh) €0.1752
    Night units (kWh) €0.0867

    Above details are taken from ESB website as of today and they match what Airtricity have here also - https://www.airtricity.com/ireland/switch_to_airtricity/switch_now/airtricity_your_airtricit/

    I'm thinking she's got the numbers wrong by accident or she's lying, but then the Bord Gais website appears to be much higher also http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

    Unless I am really missing something this offer is not as good as it first appeared


  • #111
    lego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭lego


    I'm thinking of changing my Electricity company but I don't know which company has more competitive prices.

    Which company provides cheaper Electricity? Airtricity or Bord Gáis?


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  • #112
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    If its less than ESB for next 3 years then you are saving, if using airtricity saves more then go there.

    edit! VAT not included in airtricity prices, it IS included is Bord Gas prices.


  • #113
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Prices break down as follows:

    Take Urban 24 Hour Tarriff
    Bord Gais = Gener Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

    ESB = General units kWh 18.61

    Airtricity = General Units kWh 17.12 (DD option only)

    Click on the company names for full tarriff details from the company website.

    So all in All Bord Gais is cheapest at present

    EDIT: ALL PRICES INCLUDE VAT NOW at 13.5%!!


  • #114
    nouveau_4.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭nouveau_4.0


    mike65 wrote: »
    If its less than ESB for next 3 years then you are saving, if using airtricity saves more then go there.

    edit! VAT not included in airtricity prices, it IS included is Bord Gas prices.

    And VAT is not included in the figure of 16.40 for the ESB above


  • #115
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Remember to add VAT to quoted airtricity prices.

    http://www.airtricity.com/ireland/Airtricity%20Residential%20Tariffs.pdf

    http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4


  • #116
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Ah I think I see it, ESB prices don't appear to include VAT


  • #117
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I thought we got past that sneaky mentality a few years ago. It seems not.


  • #118
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Those ESB prices look a little high to me (...)
    That is because these prices include VAT while those on the esb website do not. Multiply them by 1.135 and you will be exactly where Bord Gais says. They took the rebate off the tariff including VAT which actually means a bigger saving than discounting the net amount only.
    I just checked my last esb bill and they charged me exactly 16.4 cent per unit plus 13.5% VAT. Last year the tariff stood at 15.97ct/unit though...


  • #119
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    If you already have gas with Bord Gáis, will there be any incentives if you switch to them for electricty too?
    yes afaik -you get a 14% discount.

    Bord Gais undercutting another government owned body the ESB and thats called competition?
    I suppose this being a small island,it's all we can have.


  • #120
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Could ESB start selling cheaper Gas?

    For me this would be a better way round.


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  • #121
    nouveau_4.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭nouveau_4.0


    So far I see no reason for not switching.
    Can anyone come up with one before I make the call?


  • #122
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    You might feel bad about letting down the oppressed poorly paid ESB workers?*


    *satire alert


  • #123
    20goto10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭20goto10


    dahamsta wrote: »
    Well said Srameen. The leve of ignorance on here about this subject speaks volumes about why this country is in the shape it is today. FF voters every one of them too, I'll wager.
    Nobody is showing ignorance. We've all seen this happen before with Eircom. They control the phone networks just as ESB control the electricity grid. Still doesn't stop Eircom being undercut by every other reseller out there. And the fact that a reseller can undercut the owner of the networks speaks volumes. ESB is no different.


  • #124
    Quaderno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    I just calculated it with my last and rather low esb bill of €100.97 for the last two months. If I had payed the BG tariff I would have saved just about €9.48 on that bill alone or €56.90 for the whole year (less than 10% overall because standing charges remain the same).
    If your average bimonthly bill is €200 you can save more than €100 a year, that's the cost of a whole month's electricity. Although there is still no harm in conserving energy in the first place...


  • #125
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Sorry about that lads, stupid mistake leaving out VAT

    Prices break down as follows:

    Take Urban 24 Hour Tarriff
    Bord Gais = Gener Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

    ESB = General units kWh 18.61

    Airtricity = General Units kWh 17.12 (DD option only)

    Click on the company names for full tarriff details from the company website.

    So all in All Bord Gais is cheapest at present

    ALL PRICES INCLUDE VAT at 13.5%!!


  • #126
    Odsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Odsox


    Has anyone seen a copy of their tariff and if so where?
    I would like to know what they charge for off peak, night heating etc. All I can see is their "typical" savings which apply to urban rate, no mention of what their rural rate is.
    Airtricity are also 10% lower than ESB for domestic customers and have their tariff displayed on their web page.


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  • #127
    KNO3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭KNO3


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Sorry about that lads, stupid mistake leaving out VAT

    Prices break down as follows:

    Take Urban 24 Hour Tarriff
    Bord Gais = Gener Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

    ESB = General units kWh 18.61

    Airtricity = General Units kWh 17.12 (DD option only)

    Click on the company names for full tarriff details from the company website.

    So all in All Bord Gais is cheapest at present

    ALL PRICES INCLUDE VAT at 13.5%!!

    Good work, thanks.


  • #128
    XxXciaraxXx
    Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭XxXciaraxXx


    Just switched over online! I am already a bord gais customer and signed up for DD so hopefully will see the difference!


  • #129
    nouveau_4.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭nouveau_4.0


    http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4


  • #130
    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    mike65 wrote: »
    Steady on dahamsta!
    I guess my post could be perceived as over-generalised, so for the record: I wasn't referring to people that switch, but people that comment about the ESB raise without doing any research. First of all, the ESB was committed to giving that raise, and I'm sure there won't be another for quite some time. And secondly, like Eircom networks, ESB networks have some of the best technical staff in Europe, if not the world. When electricity networks go down in other countries, it's the ESB they call. ESB Networks.

    Retail is a different kettle of fish entirely, although to be fair to them they have their own problem that have already been highlighted. Not being able to adjust your pricing in response today is kind of a problem.

    I'll probably switch myself, just not today. IMHO anyone that switched today is a bandwagon-jumping idiot.
    20goto10 wrote: »
    Nobody is showing ignorance. We've all seen this happen before with Eircom. They control the phone networks just as ESB control the electricity grid. Still doesn't stop Eircom being undercut by every other reseller out there. And the fact that a reseller can undercut the owner of the networks speaks volumes. ESB is no different.
    Did you even read the OP's post? Go back and read it.

    adam


  • #131
    Odsox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Odsox


    Thanks


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  • #132
    nouveau_4.0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭nouveau_4.0


    dahamsta wrote: »
    I'll probably switch myself, just not today. IMHO anyone that switched today is a bandwagon-jumping idiot.
    Can you explain how?

    They are from the looks of it, offering the same service for a cheaper price. Why not switch today?


  • #133
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    mike65 wrote: »
    Remember to add VAT to quoted airtricity prices.

    http://www.airtricity.com/ireland/Airtricity%20Residential%20Tariffs.pdf

    http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

    Isn't it an offence to quote ex-VAT prices when the advert is directed towards Home users?


  • #134
    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Because a week of waiting for the dust to settle and the glitches in provision and ToS to be corrected would have a negligible difference in the bill at the end of the month.


  • #135
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    20goto10 wrote: »
    Nobody is showing ignorance. We've all seen this happen before with Eircom. They control the phone networks just as ESB control the electricity grid. Still doesn't stop Eircom being undercut by every other reseller out there. And the fact that a reseller can undercut the owner of the networks speaks volumes. ESB is no different.

    As our eircom account manager said to me many years ago - we love folk who switch their broadband - we get the fixed fee but the reseller gets all the billing and customer service grief. So for all those saying yeah boo sucks to the ESB well they'll still make money and we'll still have the benefit of their skilled technical crews.

    I moved to Bord Gais today. Cheaper bills. Swift changeover process. Organisation with a track record (already a gas customer). Who's to say I won't be moving back in a year..

    At least unlike BB there's no downtime so the changeover process is trivial for the enduser.

    But (according to my auld fella who heard it on Joe Duffy) Mr Regulator doesn't want a price war as he fears it could lead to prices below that of production and squeeze out the little fish who didn't really seem to care about entering the domestic market anyway (all the profit is with business a/cs).


  • #136
    20goto10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭20goto10


    sorry dahamsta I'm just not getting your point. Do you not want to save money?


  • #137
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    dahamsta wrote: »
    Because a week of waiting for the dust to settle and the glitches in provision and ToS to be corrected would have a negligible difference in the bill at the end of the month.

    Glitches ? What glitches ? No fear of glitches ! 18,000 farmers can't be wrong ;)


  • #138
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    20goto10 wrote: »
    Nobody is showing ignorance. We've all seen this happen before with Eircom. They control the phone networks just as ESB control the electricity grid. Still doesn't stop Eircom being undercut by every other reseller out there. And the fact that a reseller can undercut the owner of the networks speaks volumes. ESB is no different.

    You've done it again.:rolleyes:

    ESB is only undercut because they are not allowed reduce their price. They asked to do so last year but were refused. It's not a matter of them being undercut. And anyway they will still have the Distribution Use OF System (DUOS) charges regardless of the generator or supplier. This has been the case with the Industrial/Commercial market which is worth much more than the Domestic market. Bord Gais, Airtricity etc are not "resellers". ESB does not "own" the electricity" they are selling. Its a 3 way process of Generation, Distribution, and Supply. Bord Gais will generate and supply while ESB will distribute. It's has being going on for years.
    ESB still maintain the lines, refurbish the networks, build new sub stations and lines, fix faults, connect meters, read meters etc. It all has to be paid for and they don't mind by whom.


  • #139
    20goto10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭20goto10


    Colby Stale Creek wrote: »
    You've done it again.:rolleyes:

    ESB is only undercut because they are not allowed reduce their price. They asked to do so last year but were refused. It's not a matter of them being undercut. And anyway they will still have the Distribution Use OF System (DUOS) charges regardless of the generator or supplier. This has been the case with the Industrial/Commercial market which is worth much more than the Domestic market. Bord Gais, Airtricity etc are not "resellers". ESB does not "own" the electricity" they are selling. Its a 3 way process of Generation, Distribution, and Supply. Bord Gais will generate and supply while ESB will distribute. It's has being going on for years.
    ESB still maintain the lines, refurbish the networks, build new sub stations and lines, fix faults, connect meters, read meters etc. It all has to be paid for and they don't mind by whom.
    You're completely missing the point. Bord Gais are cheaper than ESB, period. Maybe they won't be in the future, we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll end up back with ESB. But in the meantime 14% discount is a 14% discount. Nothing you are saying makes a blind bit of difference.


  • #140
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    QFT, a small peripheral point is being made heavy weather of. The consumer don't care.


  • #141
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Just finished applying online. Took about 10 minutes. Supplied a meter reading and waived the cooling off period, so should be saving as of NOW! :D


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  • #142
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    20goto10 wrote: »
    You're completely missing the point. Bord Gais are cheaper than ESB, period. Maybe they won't be in the future, we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll end up back with ESB. But in the meantime 14% discount is a 14% discount. Nothing you are saying makes a blind bit of difference.

    Keep your hair on! I'm delighted there is someone else to buy my electricity from and I think it's a great saving but I couldn't care less who people buy from. I'm simply correcting a mis-understanding where people are talking about an ESB response to the competition when there can't actually be one. You youself referred to BG as a reseller which they are not and referred to ESB being undercut which they are but not by anydoing of anybody but the CER. People also seem to be gloating at ESB's loss but they are not actually losing much at all.


  • #143
    will1977
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭will1977


    patrickc wrote: »
    ive switched over there, the only drawback so far was a 200 deposit ive to pay , even though im a gas customer for years, and have always payed my bill on time, just because they I don't own this house.

    you get the depositi back after 6/7 bills

    Thats a fairly big catch. How small is that print :rolleyes:


  • #144
    gpjordanf1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    Had a look and I think Airtricity is a better option in the long run as I'm not a Bord gais customer. 10% less than ESB with no cut after 1st year, whreras Bord Gais will go to 5% after first year.


  • #145
    kleefarr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Had a look and I think Airtricity is a better option in the long run as I'm not a Bord gais customer. 10% less than ESB with no cut after 1st year, whreras Bord Gais will go to 5% after first year.

    Do they also state that they will be at least 10% lower than ESB prices regardless of the price?

    Hope ESB drop their prices soon.


  • #146
    bogman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bogman


    parsi wrote: »
    So for all those saying yeah boo sucks to the ESB well they'll still make money and we'll still have the benefit of their skilled technical crews.

    Am I right that in the event of an outage after I switch to Board Gais that ESB technicians will "promptly" sort out the problem, unlike Eircom taking their time if you have switched say to UTV?


  • #147
    Brando_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Brando_ie


    I am in the process of switching as it seems ludicrous to not avail of a discount of any kind when it becomes available. During the sign up I decided to pop on boards and have a look around for any new info. The rates have been posted in this thread and read as

    Bord Gais = General Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

    ESB = General units kWh 18.61

    Looking at my current bill dated 20th Jan it has two rates indicated (0.1597 & 0.1640) the latter would presumably be the last rate applied, I also presume that would be 16.40 when scaled up to match the rates posted earlier.

    Does this discrepancy refer to a newer ESB rate of 18.61 applied since my bill was issued, as ESB - 16.40 is almost the same as the BG DD low of 16.38??

    I guess the ESB have since upped their rate from 16.40 to 18.61 but could do with someone confirming that before I sign up.

    Cheers


  • #148
    padocon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭padocon


    BG expect to get 1million of the 1.8 million ESB Coustemers!!!!


  • #149
    snappieT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭snappieT


    So why now? Was there something stopping Bord Gáis entering the market before?


  • #150
    gary82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭gary82


    I was about to post a message saying I can't find any saving... but then realised that the ESB rates on the site and those shown on the bill are pre-VAT. VAT is applied then to the total at the end of the bill. Doh! So found my 11.59% saving! ;)

    Good day for Irish consumers!


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  • #151
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Brando_ie wrote: »
    I am in the process of switching as it seems ludicrous to not avail of a discount of any kind when it becomes available. During the sign up I decided to pop on boards and have a look around for any new info. The rates have been posted in this thread and read as

    Bord Gais = General Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

    ESB = General units kWh 18.61

    Looking at my current bill dated 20th Jan it has two rates indicated (0.1597 & 0.1640) the latter would presumably be the last rate applied, I also presume that would be 16.40 when scaled up to match the rates posted earlier.

    Does this discrepancy refer to a newer ESB rate of 18.61 applied since my bill was issued, as ESB - 16.40 is almost the same as the BG DD low of 16.38??

    I guess the ESB have since upped their rate from 16.40 to 18.61 but could do with someone confirming that before I sign up.

    Cheers

    Look at your bill the unit price is missing VAT, I have since corrected the breakdown to include vat which matches ESB website and still means Bord Gais is cheapest


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