Alternative Energy Suppliers

busman

busman wrote: »

https://www.thebigswitch.ie/tcs.htm

That was for the website!

The following are for supply

https://www.thebigswitch.ie/tcs_supply.htm

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It's about bloody time the market opened up in this country.

Look at the UK, there are about twenty suppliers, all competing and bringing out new prices all the time.

Quaderno

Cabaal wrote: »

But its not
Seems they rushed things alittle too quickly

It is: http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

Cabaal

busman wrote: »

That was for the website!

The following are for supply

https://www.thebigswitch.ie/tcs_supply.htm

It clearly says the tarriffs should be published and they are not....atleast in any detail which is pretty poor

dvpower

There an FAQ here

https://www.thebigswitch.ie/faqs.htm

foggy_lad

they will beat the ESB by 10% in year one and 5% in the next two years so the 14% will fall to 9% after 12 months.

Guaranteed minimum savings of 10%* off ESB rates

* The discount stated is off the applicable ESB domestic tariff unit rate and applies to the first year's consumption. Thereafter the Bord Gáis Energy standard discount tariff will apply which is guaranteed to be at least 5% below ESB unit rates for years two and three of this offer. Terms and conditions apply.

busman

Cabaal wrote: »

It clearly says the tarriffs should be published and they are not....atleast in any detail which is pretty poor

Agree, not much detail, the only rates they state is that they guarantee 10% discount on ESB rate for first year and min of 5% for second two.

dvpower

nouveau_4.0 wrote: »

Can anyone give any reason not to switch?

If they commit to being 10-14% cheaper with no drawbacks surely everyone in the country is going to switch.

There seems to be no barrier at all to switching (no new meter, no connection fee ...), so this seems like a no brainer.

I'm naturally suspicious when I see a no brainer. I wonder if it might be worth waiting a few weeks to see what (if anything) ESB responds with.

Quaderno

The tariff options are on the website in full detail. See here: http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

dvpower

Is it just the Electricity market that has been opened up, or is it now possible for the ESB to get into the Gas market on the same basis?

My gas bill is higher than my electricity bill. If the ESB was to make a similar offering, I would be better off switching my gas account to the ESB. Does anyone know if the market is open to such a sceanario?

padocon

Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
She said Tarfs are:
24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
Storage heating night same as night rate

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

dvpower wrote: »

There seems to be no barrier at all to switching (no new meter, no connection fee ...), so this seems like a no brainer.

I'm naturally suspicious when I see a no brainer. I wonder if it might be worth waiting a few weeks to see what (if anything) ESB responds with.

Oh I think it's time people educated themselves on the workings of the electricity market.

ESB are precluded by the regulator from charging anything other than the tariff set down so they can't respond. They wanted to reduce priecs last year and were not allowed. So no point waiting. Change to Bord Gais today.
There can be no connection charge because the connection exists already, and no new meter as the meter belongs to ESB Networks.
ESB Networks will still read the meters, operate the distribution network and respond to any no-supply calls. You will just be billed by Bord Gais as the supplier. ESB makes very little profit from the Generation or Supply businesses it holds but profits more from the Distribution activity. The Regulator decides what payment per Unit ESB Networks gets form Bord Gais and others for the use of the distribution system. Most of ESB doesn't care who you actually buy your electricity from as long as you use plenty and it travels through their networks. Bord Gais may even buy power from ESB Powergen if they sell more than they can generate themselves. The market has been open for years and most Industrial and Commercial customers (where the real profit is) have moved from ESB Customer Supply years ago.

patrickc

ive switched over there, the only drawback so far was a 200 deposit ive to pay , even though im a gas customer for years, and have always payed my bill on time, just because they I don't own this house.

you get the depositi back after 6/7 bills

soc

padocon wrote: »

Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89

I assume that it should be 9.89 versus 19.89? Otherwise that would be SOME saving

dvpower

Colby Stale Creek wrote: »

Oh I think it's time people educated themselves on the workings of the electricity market.

ESB are precluded by the regulator from charging anything other than the tariff set down so they can't respond. They wanted to reduce priecs last year and were not allowed. So no point waiting. Change to Bord Gais today.
There can be no connection charge because the connection exists already, and no new meter as the meter belongs to ESB Networks.
ESB Networks will still read the meters, operate the distribution network and respond to any no-supply calls. You will just be billed by Bord Gais as the supplier. ESB makes very little profit from the Generation or Supply businesses it holds but profits more from the Distribution activity. The Regulator decides what payment per Unit ESB Networks gets form Bord Gais and others for the use of the distribution system. Most of ESB doesn't care who you actually buy your electricity from as long as you use plenty and it travels through their networks. Bord Gais may even buy power from ESB Powergen if they sell more than they can generate themselves. The market has been open for years and most Industrial and Commercial customers (where the real profit is) have moved from ESB Customer Supply years ago.

Thanks for the info Colby Stale Creek. Could have done without the condescending tone 'though.

pavelpro

padocon wrote: »

Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
She said Tarfs are:
24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
Storage heating night same as night rate

Still didnt get it, airtricity still cheap if you go for ebill and DD

RBAN 24 HR -
General Units - 24 Hr (kWh) - 14.92c
Night Storage Heating Units (kWh) - 7.89c

hedgeh0g

I’m a "Gas person"

Is there a minimum contract, e.g. if I move house / county / planet?

Cabaal

Ok so Airtricity say 10% cheaper and Bord Gais are saying there even cheaper yet Airtricity appear to be actually cheaper numbers wise...am I missing something?

Cabaal

padocon wrote: »

Called BG and they sayed their internet connection is down.
She said Tarfs are:
24 hour:€16.75 per unit Vs ESB €18.61
Night saver: per unit €7.90 Vs €19.89
Night rate per unit€8.86 Vs 9.84
Storage heating night same as night rate

Those ESB prices look a little high to me
Urban 24 Hour is
General units (kWh) €0.1640
Night storage heating units (kWh) €0.0867

Urban Night Saver is
Day units (kWh) €0.1752
Night units (kWh) €0.0867

Above details are taken from ESB website as of today and they match what Airtricity have here also - https://www.airtricity.com/ireland/switch_to_airtricity/switch_now/airtricity_your_airtricit/

I'm thinking she's got the numbers wrong by accident or she's lying, but then the Bord Gais website appears to be much higher also http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

Unless I am really missing something this offer is not as good as it first appeared

lego

I'm thinking of changing my Electricity company but I don't know which company has more competitive prices.

Which company provides cheaper Electricity? Airtricity or Bord Gáis?

mike65

If its less than ESB for next 3 years then you are saving, if using airtricity saves more then go there.

edit! VAT not included in airtricity prices, it IS included is Bord Gas prices.

Cabaal

Prices break down as follows:

Take Urban 24 Hour Tarriff
Bord Gais = Gener Units kWh 16.38 (with DD option only)

ESB = General units kWh 18.61

Airtricity = General Units kWh 17.12 (DD option only)

Click on the company names for full tarriff details from the company website.

So all in All Bord Gais is cheapest at present

EDIT: ALL PRICES INCLUDE VAT NOW at 13.5%!!

nouveau_4.0

mike65 wrote: »

If its less than ESB for next 3 years then you are saving, if using airtricity saves more then go there.

edit! VAT not included in airtricity prices, it IS included is Bord Gas prices.

And VAT is not included in the figure of 16.40 for the ESB above

mike65

Remember to add VAT to quoted airtricity prices.

http://www.airtricity.com/ireland/Airtricity%20Residential%20Tariffs.pdf

http://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/htm/residential_electricity/3_existing_customer/index.htm?layer=4

Cabaal

Ah I think I see it, ESB prices don't appear to include VAT

mike65

I thought we got past that sneaky mentality a few years ago. It seems not.

Quaderno

Cabaal wrote: »

Those ESB prices look a little high to me (...)

That is because these prices include VAT while those on the esb website do not. Multiply them by 1.135 and you will be exactly where Bord Gais says. They took the rebate off the tariff including VAT which actually means a bigger saving than discounting the net amount only.
I just checked my last esb bill and they charged me exactly 16.4 cent per unit plus 13.5% VAT. Last year the tariff stood at 15.97ct/unit though...

Beruthiel

Beruthiel wrote: »

If you already have gas with Bord Gáis, will there be any incentives if you switch to them for electricty too?

yes afaik -you get a 14% discount.

Bord Gais undercutting another government owned body the ESB and thats called competition?
I suppose this being a small island,it's all we can have.

kleefarr

Could ESB start selling cheaper Gas?

For me this would be a better way round.

nouveau_4.0

So far I see no reason for not switching.
Can anyone come up with one before I make the call?