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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Immigration was always going to break the back of SF. I'm surprised they've got away with the disconnect between their representatives and their voters this long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,742 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It doesnt surprise me to see the recent drop in opinion polls for SF.

    There's been own goals by this party recently namely the referendum. It was the perfect opportunity for them to stand out but instead they get behind the Yes Vote following the Government.

    The Irish public don't want another FG/FF but a real alternative and I don't see SF as that.

    I've always said that immigration is going to be front and center of the GE stage and SF have no solution here and we're already seeing it hurting them. They need to get off the pot and make changes to their immigration policy before it's to late

    As of now I can see the independents are going to win big time in the GE which has me worried because it might assist FF/FG back into power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭Ionraice


    Well said. I have family abroad. They are all involved in construction. They would also like to come home. Ironically, they can't come home to build houses, because they either can't find a house to rent locally, or can't find an affordable house to rent further afield, while they build houses. It's catch 22, the fewer available rental properties, the less chance there is that skilled construction workers can return to build the houses that are so desperately needed. Meanwhile, we can apparently house all comers from every nation, without sufficient construction workers to supply the needed housing. Some common sense is badly needed....it is also sadly lacking, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Very, much to the point. If construction workers are to come back they need somewhere to rent until they get their own houses sorted. SF, are constantly against landlords, which is causing a lot of them to sell up .They are afraid of SF, enter government they will stop landlords selling their houses. The majority of landlords are hoping to use their property as an addition to their pension. Pearce Doherty seems to be loosing the run of himself, constantly shouting in the Dail. When you have to shout you are loosing, the argument.I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Unless a house is left empty, someone lives in it. Thus overall, it doesn't matter a lot whether it's owned or a tenant, in the overall picture of housing the population. Numbers are the key. We need about 50K units per year, and need to ramp up to that. We don't need to do a Bertie and overshooot that number and create a bubble, that then crashes the market again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The biggest group of "some dickhead will try to bully them" is the Sinn Fein online supporters group, have been for years. plenty of evidence all over the internet, including boards of this group trying to bully anyone who doesn't agree with Sinn Fein

    In terms of "SF who get voted from people who believe in them", the biggest issue SF have is thei policies are a bag of cats. None of them add up when you put them together. Like the "tax the rich" then next statement is "we plan to hire more doctors", combine the two and the target for the new "tax the rich" is the doctors they are supposed to be hiring.

    This is why SF are losing votes. Waffling on about getting "voters who believe in them" ain't going to fix their incompetence at pulling together coherent policies, so the issue is not the voter, the issue is with the party



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    The fact that the current iteration of Sinn Fein is essentially product of Mi5, should be enough to turn most people away.

    Do we really want a gang of British touts running the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,735 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    there is no disconnect. actual SF supporters (rather than people running from FG/FG and now not knowing who to vote for) welcome immigrants but are aware the current laws and EU agreements need looking at. the government was over zealous in trying to impress the EU. The people you are talking about and called 'voters' I'd guess havent voted SF more than once or twice, as a protest vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    ya im sure the hard core fanatics cultists will do just as they are told by the boys in Belfast or MI5 or who ever runs sf these days . i hope they have just as much control over the provo offshoots we saw mining around in thier black berets and ballys at the weekend.

    Aren't ye giving up on attracting new voters a bit prematurely with an election looming? conceding defeat earlier than normally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That 'actual SF supporter' vote of old gets SF 4 Dáil seats, no Euro seats, no entry to any mayoral rotations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Rumours flying around that McGuinness might have been a tout. Anyone here believe that? If the other lad in Belfast was named then that wouldn’t surprise me at all, but I have my doubts about McGuinness. What we do know is that the IRA and pre 86 leadership of SF was riddled with British informers.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Don't really care to be honest

    The PIRA was just a criminal gang, they would have done anything to protect the money they had flooding in from their illegal activities. Been an informer to the British was an easy way to get them to turn a blind eye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    I’ve mentioned a number of times in different political threads that independents will feature strongly in the next election - it’s a comment often criticised but I’ve seen enough elections over the years to know that the statement “feels” true - people disaffected with current parties and no reasonable alternative will make people vote independent in their droves.
    FG will suffer definitely- Labour will probably gain some seats; FF will likely do reasonably well overall ; SF I’m just not sure of - I personally don’t like them and don’t think they can do the country good but each to their own I guess - I’m wondering though why might they do worse than last election?

    They’re going to get anti-govt protest votes as well of course those who want SF in power - I don’t see them any ways worse than they were last time around but like I said I’m not a fan so not close enough to see the subtle differences - they haven’t been hugely vocal and their policies are not what you’d expect from the opposition so in that way yeah, they’re not doing a great job of holding govt to account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's simple. The prevailing thought last time was "us" SF vs "them" FF FG etc. Now SF are "them" too.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would you think immigration is the biggest concern of the average SF voter?

    The SF vote always seemed to be about hyper-local issues and we're not them.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    yeah I would have thought housing and access to health care in good time would be the key agenda items for an average SF voter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    How exactly is the increased number of Ukrainian refugees with medical cards and IP’s that also have free access to healthcare and accommodation not going to impact services?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,743 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Padraig Mac Lochlainn on The Tonight Show yesterday shouting about why the Government isn't getting ready for a UI.

    The shinners seem to think a border poll is high on the list of things voters want sorted out when it really isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They are tanking, they have no decent plan on policies

    They will start waffling about a United Ireland in the hope to draw back some of the supporters who have dumped them over immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,945 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is more than just rumours, believed by many.

    It would mean that the whole movement to stop killing people was actually directed by the British. Hundreds of thousands of lives saved by a British agent.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    McGuinness was a brilliant leader.

    More than can be said for the current crop of jokers at the head of SF.

    Chalk and cheese.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Im here in my sisters house getting a lift into work.

    Mary Lou is on the TV moaning again. This time about the taoiseach not being around.

    This is in a house where the adults up to a few months ago were all for voting SF. Now they are face palming at everything she does.

    I have to say though "Karen" McDonald does seem like the perfect name for her constant moaning and finger pointing. Pure genius from the kids tbh.

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    SF are getting desperate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    She does moan a lot. If she blamed the bad weather on the government I would not be surprised.

    If they want to govern they need to start sounding like a party that can govern and not one that just complains all the time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    The problem is that half the SF party have no interest in governing and would be deeply uncomfortable with the notion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,108 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    And the other half is incapable. Bad candidate selection over the years etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    She does come across as very negative, sneering and condescending these days. All very glib, looking out over her glasses, whiff of the school principal off her. A few people have mentioned how off-putting she is recently.

    Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes - Greta Thunburg



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: Thread moved from Politics to CA. Please take notice if the CA charter which applies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Negative, sneering and condescending...

    Have you seen Micheal Martin lately?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The irony of moaning about moaning 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet





  • You have to dial the speed to 2x to hear McDonald speak with normal human speech pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I thought blaming the 'opposition' was what governing parties did? At least she's blaming the people actually in charge...





  • The problem is that it comes across as very, very insincere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    They're the opposition, it's their job to complain about everything.

    As we know from the northern assembly, once they're in charge, they'll knock it out of the park…



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    In theory, she should be happy - fairly unpopular and jaded government, local and EU elections coming up where SF should do well, power sharing restored, DUP in disarray….she should be a smiley face.

    And, just generally, people don't react well to negativity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭RoboRat


    She is tedious to listen to… always moaning and trying to stick the boot in but rarely offering any viable alternative. It seems to be the narrative of SF in general, and their stance is generally reflective of the mood on social media.

    MLM treats politics like a boxing match where every barb she throws is a punch, and she only intends to win on points. The problem is that she is throwing punches and missing the target more often than not. I'm not a fan of FF, FG, or the Greens, but when SF is the only viable alternative, I'd rather stick with FFG because as at least you know what you're getting with them, as unpalatable as it is. I also look at the current economy and wonder what it would look like if SF took over after the crash.

    The government needs to be able to make the hard decisions, even when those decisions are unpopular, and I don't think the SF has the stomach for that. I keep thinking an SF government will be like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer becomes the Mayor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,942 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Another alarming poll for SF. A few months ago they were at 34%. Today down to 23%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭CWMMC


    Sein Fein do not want to rule. They want to sit their in the opposition complaining about everything to make everyone look bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I think you are on to something here. She is certainly trying her best to come down in the polls. She cant not be aware of it at this stage so it has to be intentional.

    Worst thing that could ever happen to them as a party is if they get into government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …ah shur government is flying along at the moment, well on the way to resolving our most critical of issues, housing, health care etc etc, tis all good…..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,022 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I find her very shrill and combatative.

    She should take a leaf out of Michelle O'Neill's book, I've been quite impressed by her performance as First Minister for Sinn Fein. It would be nice to see her as leader of an all Ireland party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ted222


    Holding the Government to account is what opposition parties should do.

    It would be nice to think they would do so responsibly and not treat every issue as an existential threat but maybe that’s too much to hope for these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And yet, Pearse is the vastly more incoherently angry, let-me-speak-to-the-manager of the two of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ted222


    That’s the trouble. She makes FFG the only viable option. FFG is in government not because of their ability but because they’re the “least bad” option. They’re likely to be there for another term as well as SF will never have the numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    And FFG make SF a viable option. Swings and roundabouts.

    Those pointing out that Mary Lou moans alot, what do you expect? She is opposition and is calling out the failures of the government that is what the opposition do? What do you want her to say "Ah sure lads all is grand carry on". Its nothing but a load of BS when you hear people complaining about the opposition moaning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    Have you ever heard MLMD? Its another level entirely. Did you here her yesterday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Well you should of heard Pearse the other night on RTE, the guy is supposed to be their Finance person and was off on some tangent about Immigrations.

    At this stage even the SinN Fein supporters have to be bored of the constant "faux outrage" show Pearse put on all the time.

    I can;t find it now but watch the youtube of him trying to rip off a mask during covid while he was in mid "outrage" about something or other, probably the tea wasn't at the right temp in the canteen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Just to be clear, are you saying that she is complaining about things she should not be complaining about ?

    Please give some examples. Keeping in mind that she is an opposition leader.

    Or is it simply that you don't like her manner?

    Btw, to call somebody a "Karen" isn't very nice, not least because a man wouldn't get this sort of criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Seriously ?

    Just taking your post as an example of the type of stuff in this thread ,concerned .

    So is this passing for criticism of a leader of a political party these days on CA ?

    Not SF voter btw but hate these stupid threads moaning and whinging about public figures and calling them names .

    It's just like something that you'd see on FB and scroll on by .

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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