The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

tom23

No offence that is the most ignorant abuse i’ve ever heard. Sinn Fein don’t need that as a voter anyway. And before the big pile in on me. Im from a working class area and i’d be horrified to live beside that. pure ignorance.

MIKEKC

When,they buy them they hardly take them out of the country

MIKEKC

Was replying to blueskydreams

batman75

The woman in that video is a disgrace. You can make your point without going to the sewer for language.

Kermit.de.frog

Salt of de earth

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952907#Comment_121952907

Well the Soc Dems and Labour would have similar views on so called vulture funds as the shinners so it would make one wonder how either of them came up with this magic figure of building 50 k houses a year if they were in Government.

Have any of them ever even set foot on a building site to see whats involved in the construction of a house I wonder.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957075#Comment_121957075

Maybe go in to some of Dublin's less economically active flats complexes and tell them their language is unsavoury, and see how many legs you leave with.

Fact remains, this cohort was among SF's biggest well of voters, and their decline in overall polls is directly attributable to their move to their centre on many policies, especially immigration and housing, and the reaction to it from these C2DE types.

batman75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957201#Comment_121957201

It would be hard for anyone to want to go out to bat for them when they speak in such vile and ignorant tones. The fact that you suggest it would be unwise to point out the ignorance of their language tells you all you need to know about them.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957201#Comment_121957201

That is the kernel of their problem. Most people of my generation in my rural area wouldn't have voted for Sinn Fein anyway but I always thought that their principal areas of support lay in disadvantaged areas. I am gobsmacked to hear that lady's vitriolic response to a Sinn Fein canvasser. Hearing the party of 'Irish patriots' being referred to as traitors is some surprise to me. I could have visualised a candidate from FF or Fg getting that response but not Sinn Fein. It that response indicative of how 'working class' areas of Dublin perceive Sinn Fein.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957255#Comment_121957255

Working class?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that horrible yolk never worked a day in her life.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957268#Comment_121957268

But I in my innocence believed that the unemployed was one of main constituents of the Sinn Fein support!!!

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957268#Comment_121957268

Maybe she didn't but the shinners and PBP were only too happy to get votes of people like her down through the years and it was easy peasy for them when all they had to do was tell them what they wanted to hear.

PBP are done for in these areas from now on.

Kermit.de.frog

Immigration was always going to break the back of SF. I'm surprised they've got away with the disconnect between their representatives and their voters this long.

Headshot

It doesnt surprise me to see the recent drop in opinion polls for SF.

There's been own goals by this party recently namely the referendum. It was the perfect opportunity for them to stand out but instead they get behind the Yes Vote following the Government.

The Irish public don't want another FG/FF but a real alternative and I don't see SF as that.

I've always said that immigration is going to be front and center of the GE stage and SF have no solution here and we're already seeing it hurting them. They need to get off the pot and make changes to their immigration policy before it's to late

As of now I can see the independents are going to win big time in the GE which has me worried because it might assist FF/FG back into power.

Ionraice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121751470#Comment_121751470

Well said. I have family abroad. They are all involved in construction. They would also like to come home. Ironically, they can't come home to build houses, because they either can't find a house to rent locally, or can't find an affordable house to rent further afield, while they build houses. It's catch 22, the fewer available rental properties, the less chance there is that skilled construction workers can return to build the houses that are so desperately needed. Meanwhile, we can apparently house all comers from every nation, without sufficient construction workers to supply the needed housing. Some common sense is badly needed....it is also sadly lacking, unfortunately.

MIKEKC

Very, much to the point. If construction workers are to come back they need somewhere to rent until they get their own houses sorted. SF, are constantly against landlords, which is causing a lot of them to sell up .They are afraid of SF, enter government they will stop landlords selling their houses. The majority of landlords are hoping to use their property as an addition to their pension. Pearce Doherty seems to be loosing the run of himself, constantly shouting in the Dail. When you have to shout you are loosing, the argument.I

Water John

Unless a house is left empty, someone lives in it. Thus overall, it doesn't matter a lot whether it's owned or a tenant, in the overall picture of housing the population. Numbers are the key. We need about 50K units per year, and need to ramp up to that. We don't need to do a Bertie and overshooot that number and create a bubble, that then crashes the market again.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954725#Comment_121954725

The biggest group of "some dickhead will try to bully them" is the Sinn Fein online supporters group, have been for years. plenty of evidence all over the internet, including boards of this group trying to bully anyone who doesn't agree with Sinn Fein

In terms of "SF who get voted from people who believe in them", the biggest issue SF have is thei policies are a bag of cats. None of them add up when you put them together. Like the "tax the rich" then next statement is "we plan to hire more doctors", combine the two and the target for the new "tax the rich" is the doctors they are supposed to be hiring.

This is why SF are losing votes. Waffling on about getting "voters who believe in them" ain't going to fix their incompetence at pulling together coherent policies, so the issue is not the voter, the issue is with the party

Finty Lemon

The fact that the current iteration of Sinn Fein is essentially product of Mi5, should be enough to turn most people away.

Do we really want a gang of British touts running the country?

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957373#Comment_121957373

there is no disconnect. actual SF supporters (rather than people running from FG/FG and now not knowing who to vote for) welcome immigrants but are aware the current laws and EU agreements need looking at. the government was over zealous in trying to impress the EU. The people you are talking about and called 'voters' I'd guess havent voted SF more than once or twice, as a protest vote

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963810#Comment_121963810

ya im sure the hard core fanatics cultists will do just as they are told by the boys in Belfast or MI5 or who ever runs sf these days . i hope they have just as much control over the provo offshoots we saw mining around in thier black berets and ballys at the weekend.

Aren't ye giving up on attracting new voters a bit prematurely with an election looming? conceding defeat earlier than normally

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963810#Comment_121963810

That 'actual SF supporter' vote of old gets SF 4 Dáil seats, no Euro seats, no entry to any mayoral rotations.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965150#Comment_121965150

Don't really care to be honest

The PIRA was just a criminal gang, they would have done anything to protect the money they had flooding in from their illegal activities. Been an informer to the British was an easy way to get them to turn a blind eye

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957792#Comment_121957792

I’ve mentioned a number of times in different political threads that independents will feature strongly in the next election - it’s a comment often criticised but I’ve seen enough elections over the years to know that the statement “feels” true - people disaffected with current parties and no reasonable alternative will make people vote independent in their droves.
FG will suffer definitely- Labour will probably gain some seats; FF will likely do reasonably well overall ; SF I’m just not sure of - I personally don’t like them and don’t think they can do the country good but each to their own I guess - I’m wondering though why might they do worse than last election?

They’re going to get anti-govt protest votes as well of course those who want SF in power - I don’t see them any ways worse than they were last time around but like I said I’m not a fan so not close enough to see the subtle differences - they haven’t been hugely vocal and their policies are not what you’d expect from the opposition so in that way yeah, they’re not doing a great job of holding govt to account

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121966135#Comment_121966135

It's simple. The prevailing thought last time was "us" SF vs "them" FF FG etc. Now SF are "them" too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121957373#Comment_121957373

Why would you think immigration is the biggest concern of the average SF voter?

The SF vote always seemed to be about hyper-local issues and we're not them.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121966161#Comment_121966161

yeah I would have thought housing and access to health care in good time would be the key agenda items for an average SF voter?

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121966205#Comment_121966205

How exactly is the increased number of Ukrainian refugees with medical cards and IP’s that also have free access to healthcare and accommodation not going to impact services?

Galwayguy35

Padraig Mac Lochlainn on The Tonight Show yesterday shouting about why the Government isn't getting ready for a UI.

The shinners seem to think a border poll is high on the list of things voters want sorted out when it really isn't.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981399#Comment_121981399

They are tanking, they have no decent plan on policies

They will start waffling about a United Ireland in the hope to draw back some of the supporters who have dumped them over immigration.