The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

As has been explained to you before Cork have 16 times the population of Leitrim, Dublin only have 2.5 times the population of Cork , splitting Dublin won't make a blind bit of difference to Leitrim Carlow etc, they still wouldn't be able to compete with Kerry Cork Galway etc , it would only help a handful of Counties of which your County is surely one of , hence you refuse to reveal who your County is . Again your fooling no one with your rediculous 13 year campaign of nonsense

No campaign, we're just having a friendly discussion.

Why do you keep focusing on relative populations? Absolute populations are more important and there the gap between Dublin and Cork (which is also a population outlier) is larger than the gap between Cork and Leitrim (which is an outlier in terms of its small size), providing more evidence that Dublin alone should be split. Even using relative populations, Dublin is over twice as big population-wise as Cork is vs Leitrim; if you're using Leitrim as the comparison, to do a fair one you should compare both counties to Leitrim and not Cork to Leitrim and Dublin to Cork.

And then combine this population advantage with the funding advantage, playing at home, the fact that this has persisted for decades and it's obvious how unfair the status quo is and how Dublin alone have uniquely benefited.

Cork has massive population advantage over Leitrim, Cork Kerry Mayo Galway etc have sponsorship funding and want for nothing

A splitting Dublin will only help a handful of Counties of which your own is no doubt one of .

Why wont you reveal which County you are from?

it is a campaign a 13 year one , by you 🙄

Why won't you reveal what County you are from ?

Splitting Dublin helps all counties so if I support the GAA and am from any county in Ireland, especially Dublin, I benefit.

Again no it wouldn't, it would only help a handful of Counties , it would not help Leitrim Longford Carlow etc compete with Kerry Mayo Galway Tyrone etc

So again what County are you from ?

It would not enhance the prestige ,integrity and fairness of the competition . This has been explained to you many times

Leitrim and Carlow etc cant compete with Kerry Mayo etc ,it is not a fair competition for the weaker Counties

Why wont you address not revealing what County you are from ?

It's clear as day that you are on the wind-up. You are ignoring the points being put to you and repeating the same auld shite every three posts, as if repeating it will somehow make it true. Spoiler alert: it will in its hole.

But let's play Devil's advocate, here and extrapolate based on your suggestions.

Let's take the worst county as an example......say New York just for argument's sake.

There are 17 counties competing in the Hurling and 33 counties in the Football championships.

As the 33rd best county, in order for New York to win the football all-Ireland, they need to perform better than their opponents, of which there are another 32. On a purely mathematical level, if all other things were considered equal, they have a 32/1 chance at winning the AI. If we split Dublin into 4, then there are now 36 teams in the mix and their odds have increased to 35/1. So they're objectively worse off, from the get go, and that's just from the maths POV pertaining to the AI.

Three extra Dublin teams does sweet feck all to the Munster SFC. Or the Connaught or the Ulster. Leitrim have 1 AI Semi-final appearance in the last 100 years, and three Connaught final appearances in the last 60 years. 4 brand new Dublin teams will do absolutely nothing to impact that. They'll still get whipped like a red-headed stepchild by the likes of Mayo and Galway every year. So from a practical POV, you're also spouting a load of horseh1t. If German and France were split into three teams each for the World Cup in soccer, would it be easier or harder for Ireland to make it to the semis?

Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the prestige of the competition, it weakens it. It cheapens the whole thing if you're not actually playing against the best teams.

Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the integrity of the competition, it weakens it, for the same reasons.

Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the fairness of the competition, it weakens it. 5 or 6 counties, max, have a better chance of making it all the way, while the other 25+ have a worse chance of making the final. Making it easier for some counties and harder for others is objectively unfair as it only benefits some, not all.

You can keep cherry-picking and massaging stats all you want, it doesn't mean your proposal has any merit whatsoever, no matter how often you repeat it. Your entire argument is built on sand and doesn't stand up to even the most basic of scrutiny.

You're talking out of your hole, essentially, but you already knew that. Your refusal to state what county you support proves this point even further. My money is on either Meath or Mayo, btw, going purely on bitterness alone.

Not on a wind-up at all, as I said, we're having a friendly discussion. I don't ignore the posts, I take them on board and present a counterargument.

You 32 vs 36 argument is irrational as all things are not equal currently- Dublin are uniquely favoured vs every other team. So by splitting them it disperses the unfair advantages across multiple teams, rather than concentrating them into a single one. This is not ideal but unfortunately it is the best option available to us. So New York benefit here as we do have not have one financial/population juggernaut but instead several smaller entities which is far more manageable.

But even leaving asides the chances of success, the other issue is that Dublin are uniquely favoured- by population, by funding, by playing at home etc. If Dublin won fairly, then I wouldn't mind, but that's simply not the case. In fact, even if they don't win every year they would still be favoured so the issues would have to be addressed regardless. I'm sure, like me, you hate unfairness in sport- splitting Dublin helps ameliorate the very unfair status quo. Again, not perfect, and an option I was reluctant to arrive at, but it's the best one available. It would have been better for this situation to never have arisen to begin with but we are where we are. It's not right that Dublin alone have enormous and unique advantages over ever other county.

It's not about deliberately hobbling a team- as I've said, there is no animosity towards Dublin, just a desire to do what is best for the GAA in all counties. In this case, this means ridding the competition of the current unfairness which can be done by splitting Dublin.

For you to believe that Dublin are not unfairly advantaged, you'd have to believe that funding makes no difference to sporting success, playing at home makes no difference to sporting success, having a vastly larger playing pool makes no difference to funding success- to believe this would be clearly ridiculous, the argument is built on sand and doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.

Annnnnd you've ignored pretty much all of the points put to you and just repeated the same auld shite. Again.

As if that makes it true. Again.

And you're pretending that you've reluctantly come to this as the only possible solution. Again.

You're also cherry-picking bits of my post for which you think you have a response. Again.

Everybody can see through this charade, and I really mean everybody. It's as transparent as it is absurd.

"it's not about hobbling a team, it's about restricting Dublin's chances"....aka hobbling them, listen to what you're saying man.

Several, smaller entities that are ALL BETTER THAN NY are so it makes it even less likely that they'll progress further in the AI..........tell me again, how does this improve their chances? How is it more manageable? You keep positing these little soundbites but you have absolutely SFA to back them up. Just saying something doesn't make it true, you have to back it up with a reasoned argument, which you have failed to do, so far. Instead of 31 better teams to compete against, they have 35 teams to compete against.

In 2023 New York beat Leitrim on penalties after a drawn Connaught QF and were beaten out the gate by Sligo in the SF. How would splitting Dublin in four improve the chances of either them or Leitrim doing better in the competition? Or Carlow, or Longford or Fermanagh or Antrim or Clare or Waterford? It wouldn't, because they have only met the Dubs a handful of times in a century. Splitting Dublin has zero impact on these counties. Zero.

For everyone else reading this nonsense, this sentence right here is the first sign that the mask is slipping:

Gaffer is openly admitting that splitting Dublin benefits a handful of other teams (several smaller entities) and that he thinks that handful of teams should be unfairly advantaged against Dublin and the smaller teams.

No it wouldn't benefit the organisation as a whole , and most definitely not Dublin , it would only benefit a handful of Counties Once again who are " your team" ?

Are Dublin still playing in the Leinster championship? What are they going for now 19/20? Most pointless tournament in Ireland.

Dublin is far smaller in size than most counties with pitches at a premium. The value of land is far higher than other counties. Due to its unique combination of disadvantages and in the interest of fairness they should be given an increase in funding and allotted large swaths of lands in Meath and Kildare. You couldnt be having differences between counties right?

If population size is the deciding factor why do Cork win nothing and why don’t Dublin win the hurling? How did Kilkenny achieve all their success? Anyone who repeatedly won’t declare their county in a GAA discussion is obviously ashamed of where they come from