Annnnnd you've ignored pretty much all of the points put to you and just repeated the same auld shite. Again.
As if that makes it true. Again.
And you're pretending that you've reluctantly come to this as the only possible solution. Again.
You're also cherry-picking bits of my post for which you think you have a response. Again.
Everybody can see through this charade, and I really mean everybody. It's as transparent as it is absurd.
"it's not about hobbling a team, it's about restricting Dublin's chances"....aka hobbling them, listen to what you're saying man.
So New York benefit here as we do have not have one financial/population juggernaut but instead several smaller entities which is far more manageable.
Several, smaller entities that are ALL BETTER THAN NY are so it makes it even less likely that they'll progress further in the AI..........tell me again, how does this improve their chances? How is it more manageable? You keep positing these little soundbites but you have absolutely SFA to back them up. Just saying something doesn't make it true, you have to back it up with a reasoned argument, which you have failed to do, so far. Instead of 31 better teams to compete against, they have 35 teams to compete against.
In 2023 New York beat Leitrim on penalties after a drawn Connaught QF and were beaten out the gate by Sligo in the SF. How would splitting Dublin in four improve the chances of either them or Leitrim doing better in the competition? Or Carlow, or Longford or Fermanagh or Antrim or Clare or Waterford? It wouldn't, because they have only met the Dubs a handful of times in a century. Splitting Dublin has zero impact on these counties. Zero.
For everyone else reading this nonsense, this sentence right here is the first sign that the mask is slipping:
So by splitting them it disperses the unfair advantages across multiple teams, rather than concentrating them into a single one. This is not ideal but unfortunately it is the best option available to us. So New York benefit here as we do have not have one financial/population juggernaut but instead several smaller entities which is far more manageable.
Gaffer is openly admitting that splitting Dublin benefits a handful of other teams (several smaller entities) and that he thinks that handful of teams should be unfairly advantaged against Dublin and the smaller teams.
Again how will weaker Counties compete with Kerry Mayo Tyrone Derry etc , Your talking nonsense 13 years of it .
And once again what County are you from ?
Not on a wind-up at all, as I said, we're having a friendly discussion. I don't ignore the posts, I take them on board and present a counterargument.
You 32 vs 36 argument is irrational as all things are not equal currently- Dublin are uniquely favoured vs every other team. So by splitting them it disperses the unfair advantages across multiple teams, rather than concentrating them into a single one. This is not ideal but unfortunately it is the best option available to us. So New York benefit here as we do have not have one financial/population juggernaut but instead several smaller entities which is far more manageable.
But even leaving asides the chances of success, the other issue is that Dublin are uniquely favoured- by population, by funding, by playing at home etc. If Dublin won fairly, then I wouldn't mind, but that's simply not the case. In fact, even if they don't win every year they would still be favoured so the issues would have to be addressed regardless. I'm sure, like me, you hate unfairness in sport- splitting Dublin helps ameliorate the very unfair status quo. Again, not perfect, and an option I was reluctant to arrive at, but it's the best one available. It would have been better for this situation to never have arisen to begin with but we are where we are. It's not right that Dublin alone have enormous and unique advantages over ever other county.
It's not about deliberately hobbling a team- as I've said, there is no animosity towards Dublin, just a desire to do what is best for the GAA in all counties. In this case, this means ridding the competition of the current unfairness which can be done by splitting Dublin.
For you to believe that Dublin are not unfairly advantaged, you'd have to believe that funding makes no difference to sporting success, playing at home makes no difference to sporting success, having a vastly larger playing pool makes no difference to funding success- to believe this would be clearly ridiculous, the argument is built on sand and doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.
No it wont help , and you falsely asserted a few times without providing any justification for your argument , how it will help the weaker Counties compete with Kerry Mayo Tyrone Derry etc
Again you have not said what County you are from ????
It's clear as day that you are on the wind-up. You are ignoring the points being put to you and repeating the same auld shite every three posts, as if repeating it will somehow make it true. Spoiler alert: it will in its hole.
But let's play Devil's advocate, here and extrapolate based on your suggestions.
Let's take the worst county as an example......say New York just for argument's sake.
There are 17 counties competing in the Hurling and 33 counties in the Football championships.
As the 33rd best county, in order for New York to win the football all-Ireland, they need to perform better than their opponents, of which there are another 32. On a purely mathematical level, if all other things were considered equal, they have a 32/1 chance at winning the AI. If we split Dublin into 4, then there are now 36 teams in the mix and their odds have increased to 35/1. So they're objectively worse off, from the get go, and that's just from the maths POV pertaining to the AI.
Three extra Dublin teams does sweet feck all to the Munster SFC. Or the Connaught or the Ulster. Leitrim have 1 AI Semi-final appearance in the last 100 years, and three Connaught final appearances in the last 60 years. 4 brand new Dublin teams will do absolutely nothing to impact that. They'll still get whipped like a red-headed stepchild by the likes of Mayo and Galway every year. So from a practical POV, you're also spouting a load of horseh1t. If German and France were split into three teams each for the World Cup in soccer, would it be easier or harder for Ireland to make it to the semis?
prestige, integrity and fairness
Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the prestige of the competition, it weakens it. It cheapens the whole thing if you're not actually playing against the best teams.
Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the integrity of the competition, it weakens it, for the same reasons.
Deliberately hobbling the best team in the competition doesn't increase the fairness of the competition, it weakens it. 5 or 6 counties, max, have a better chance of making it all the way, while the other 25+ have a worse chance of making the final. Making it easier for some counties and harder for others is objectively unfair as it only benefits some, not all.
You can keep cherry-picking and massaging stats all you want, it doesn't mean your proposal has any merit whatsoever, no matter how often you repeat it. Your entire argument is built on sand and doesn't stand up to even the most basic of scrutiny.
You're talking out of your hole, essentially, but you already knew that. Your refusal to state what county you support proves this point even further. My money is on either Meath or Mayo, btw, going purely on bitterness alone.
It hasn't been explained, you have falsely asserted it a few times but you never provide any justification for your argument. Whereas I have given reasons why splitting Dublin helps every county, especially Dublin. Maybe splitting Dublin won't immediately solve everything for the smaller counties, but it will certainly help and is the single most important thing that can be done, along with equalising funding.
It would not enhance the prestige ,integrity and fairness of the competition . This has been explained to you many times
Leitrim and Carlow etc cant compete with Kerry Mayo etc ,it is not a fair competition for the weaker Counties
Why wont you address not revealing what County you are from ?
I've explained how splitting Dublin helps Leitrim, Carlow etc. by enhancing the prestige, integrity and fairness of the competition. Why not address that rather than just asserting that splitting Dublin won't help those counties?
Again no it wouldn't, it would only help a handful of Counties , it would not help Leitrim Longford Carlow etc compete with Kerry Mayo Galway Tyrone etc
So again what County are you from ?
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See my previous post for why only Dublin alone should be split. It's due to the nature, scale, combination and duration of advantages that exist only in Dublin's case. Other differences between counties pale in comparison.
Splitting Dublin helps all counties so if I support the GAA and am from any county in Ireland, especially Dublin, I benefit.
A friendly discussion ? jesus wept 🙄 its a 13 year obsession with you !!
it is a campaign a 13 year one , by you 🙄
Why won't you reveal what County you are from ?
Cork Kerry Galway Mayo , have plenty of funding and want for nothing, Splitting Dublin would only help a handful of Counties
Which County are you from ?
A splitting Dublin will only help a handful of Counties of which your own is no doubt one of .
Why wont you reveal which County you are from?
It's not a patch on Dublin's population or funding advantage. Scale, nature and combination of Dublin's matters. That's why Dublin alone should be split.
Cork has massive population advantage over Leitrim, Cork Kerry Mayo Galway etc have sponsorship funding and want for nothing
And then factor in Irish government funding, sponsorship funding, massive population advantage...
No campaign, we're just having a friendly discussion.
Why do you keep focusing on relative populations? Absolute populations are more important and there the gap between Dublin and Cork (which is also a population outlier) is larger than the gap between Cork and Leitrim (which is an outlier in terms of its small size), providing more evidence that Dublin alone should be split. Even using relative populations, Dublin is over twice as big population-wise as Cork is vs Leitrim; if you're using Leitrim as the comparison, to do a fair one you should compare both counties to Leitrim and not Cork to Leitrim and Dublin to Cork.
And then combine this population advantage with the funding advantage, playing at home, the fact that this has persisted for decades and it's obvious how unfair the status quo is and how Dublin alone have uniquely benefited.
You are right that Dublin have only 2.5 times the population of Cork, yet between 2007 and 2021 Dublin recieved on average 1.48m a year, compared to the next best funded county (Cork) who received just 0.19m pa
As has been explained to you before Cork have 16 times the population of Leitrim, Dublin only have 2.5 times the population of Cork , splitting Dublin won't make a blind bit of difference to Leitrim Carlow etc, they still wouldn't be able to compete with Kerry Cork Galway etc , it would only help a handful of Counties of which your County is surely one of , hence you refuse to reveal who your County is . Again your fooling no one with your rediculous 13 year campaign of nonsense
As has been explained to you before, there are differences between stronger counties funding and Leitrim but it's negligible compared to the funding gap between Leitrim and Dublin. There are differences in population but it pales in comparison to the gap between Leitrim and Dublin. It's not just that differences exist, it's the sheer scale of the differences in Dublin's case vs everyone else, plus the fact they have persisted for decades, plus they ALL are relevant in Dublin's case etc. Leaving Dublin as a single team harms Leitrim and Carlow far more than splitting them does as the current unfairness does so much harm to the All-Ireland competition, which Leitrim and Carlow play in.
Kerry Mayo Galway etc have massive funding and want for nothing
Cork has massive population advantage over Leitrim, but you don't care about the weaker smaller Counties, all you care about is weakening Dublin to help your own County who you refuse to reveal , you are fooling no one .
That's an okay article and I agree with his point about the unfair population advantage massively benefiting Dublin at the expense of everyone else, and how the gap has worsened over the years. But whether the favourtism shown by the GAA to Dublin in terms of Games Development is because of its expected return or just because the GAA wanted to help Dublin at the expense of all other counties, it doesn't really matter- the net result is Dublin uniquely benefited at the expense of everyone else. The article doesn't comment on the funding advantage Dublin get vs other sources too, which is as if not more important.
I would encourage anyone interested in the topic to read the following analysis of why The GAA invest heavily in dublin. I guarantee you will have not have heard this perspective before. Blog was written in 2019.
https://veryintobloggingveryintonewmedia.wordpress.com/2019/07/26/why-the-gaa-invest-so-much-in-dublin-and-why-extending-games-development-funding-is-unlikely-to-bridge-gap-to-dubs/
And once again splitting Dublin will only help a handful of Counties obviously your own County is one of them , which is why you refuse to say which County you are from/support, 13/14 years of wasting your time whinging about splitting Dublin to help your own County , well its not working lol.....but sure tis great crack 🙄
If we split Dublin, enact funding reforms etc., things will get a lot fairer and better, for everyone. The enhanced integrity and fairness of the competition that will result from splitting Dublin is reason enough to split them. I hate that this has become the best option but unfortunately due to the decades of the unique combination of advantages concentrated into Dublin, nothing else will be enough.
Without splitting Dublin, inter-county is unfortunately just going to fade away.
Again its not a fair competition ,Leitrim Longford Carlow cant compete with Galway Kerry Cork Down etc , splitting Dublin would only benefit a handful of Counties which no doubt your County is one of , You still refuse to answer my question !! What County are you from /support ?
13 years on here whinging about Dublin , its getting you nowhere its failing miserably !! why not try something different ?
But sure tis great crack so it is 🙄🙄
They would be helped because in Dublin's case, their success comes from a combination of unfair advantages. So while discrepancies would persist (only one team can win the All-Ireland after all) at least they would be in the context of a fair competition, unlike at present, where Dublin are uniquely favoured. And teams would rise and fall over the years unlike with the current setup where the deck is stacked exclusively in favour of Dublin.
So that would add interest as the prestige, integrity and fairness is enhanced. Plus we'd have the excitement of intra-Dublin rivalries developing, which would also add to the competition.
No actually they would absolutely not be helped , they would still not be able to compete against Cork , Kerry Galway etc
It would help only a handful of Counties of which your County no doubt is one of
Again you havn't answered my question what County are you from/support ?
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