The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

blanch152

Have we managed to agree to split Limerick for hurling yet?

Looking forward to seeing Dublin North-West meeting Dublin South in the All-Ireland final having defeated Meath/Westmeath and Cavan/Monaghan in the semi-finals, in the year Kerry North defeated Dublin North-East in the league final.

Billy_the_Kid

Better to just scrap the provincial championships altogether and allow the weaker counties like Meath and Leitrim to play in a 2nd tier championship.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121607381#Comment_121607381

But are you not loving Leinster winning it every year? As a die hard dub I'm shocked you don't want to try win 20 in a row. Only 6 more years.

Part of me kinda hopes it stays status quo because the GAA deserve to suffer for what they done. Bunch of donkeys.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609621#Comment_121609621

Nope would love to see an open draw , cant see it happening any time soon though unfortunately.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121609621#Comment_121609621

It's tempting to think that way but we all care about the organisation so I'd much rather that the mistakes that have been made are rectified asap rather than inter-county sliding into irrelevance.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121608127#Comment_121608127

A 2nd tier championship already exists in the form of the Tailteann Cup. Not arguing against having it but teams should still have the opportunity to compete in the All-Ireland. The main issue is just that the All-Ireland is not a fair competition currently because of Dublin's population, funding and home pitch advantages, among other things.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610305#Comment_121610305

Agreed the All Ireland is not a fair competition currently because of Corks Derry Antrims population along with Kerry Galway Mayo etc funding compared to Leitrim Carlow Longford etc

Croke park is in Dublin , all Semi finals and finals are played there !!

AGAIN WHAT COUNTY ARE YOU FROM ?

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610302#Comment_121610302

You don't care about the organisation , all you care about is getting Dublin split to help your own County which you refuse to reveal !

Once again WHAT COUNTY ARE YOU FROM ?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610302#Comment_121610302

Nah couldn't give a shite. It's a god send all the extra free time I have at the weekends not going to matches these days. Used to go to all the Meath matches and a lot of neutral games but not for years.

Honestly **** them, gave a ridiculous amount of money, home advantage and publicly stated they needed Dublin to win just incase referees needed to know who to favour if they wanted to progress their careers. All to the most successful Leinster side will all the natural advantages so not like they needed to.

It's turned me into a hurling fan instead and made me realise it's a better sport anyway.

Billy_the_Kid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610305#Comment_121610305

At least 50% of counties cant compete with Kerry at all, its pointless putting the likes of Waterford or Meath up against them. Scrap the provinces, two tier championship based on league positions.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610432#Comment_121610432

Fair enough, it's hard not to keep the faith given what the GAA have done to the once-great competition. It maybe is too late to salvage things even if the right steps were taken, which there is currently no appetite within the GAA to do. No point wasting decades for things to improve when they probably won't.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610444#Comment_121610444

But it's not either/or- a team can play in the All-Ireland and if they lose at a certain point, get redirected to the Tailteann Cup. I agree with scrapping the provinces and having a second-tier competition though. Combine them with a mandatory split of Dublin, voluntary amalgamations of other counties and better redistribution of financial resources and we would be some way towards improving the All-Ireland competition. All reforms that don't include a split of Dublin will just be window dressing though.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610558#Comment_121610558

Ah keep the faith , your County might come good some day , Who is your County ?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610558#Comment_121610558

Exactly who cares. Plenty of other sporting competitions worth supporting. I'm genuinely glad I got to enjoy a Leinster championship growing up because the newer generations were denied that by the powers that be.

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610574#Comment_121610574

Mod Note

@dunnerc Kindly stop asking what county a poster is from. They don't have to answer and the sheer repetitiveness of asking is tiresome at this stage.

dunnerc

No if Dublin is split , Cork Kerry Galway Mayo etc would have to be split also , it's the only way Leitrim Longford Carlow etc can compete with these Counties.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121610639#Comment_121610639

Yes, I do feel bad for younger people who never got to enjoy a Leinster championship that was in any way competitive because of what the GAA has allowed to happen. I imagine we'll be saying the same about the All-Ireland in 10 years as the unfair advantages Dublin enjoy seem to not even be recognised, never mind having steps taken to address them.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613534#Comment_121613534

Don't forget Cork Kerry Galway Mayo etc have unfair advantages over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc that seem to be not even recognised

What about the people in Munster who never get to enjoy a Munster championship as it never was competitive ?

But its only Dublin you whinge about , and rant on here for 13 years , its obvious all you want is to weaken Dublin to help your own County

Your fooling no one !

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613534#Comment_121613534

Well Dublin have dominated the AI too but who knows where that'll go. Too late now though look at the positives. We save a lot of time and money throughout the year!

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121613996#Comment_121613996

I think we can make a fairly accurate guess as to how it'll go- Dublin will continue to dominate, winning maybe 8+ out of every 10 All-Irelands initially and then winning 9 or 10 out 10 as interest declines in other counties. Because people recognise that the structures are set up by the GAA for Dublin alone to win more or less indefinitely now as their population, funding and home pitch unfair advantages are concentrated into a single team. It's happened in Leinster and will just extend to the rest of the country.

One surprising thing is why they weren't even more successful to begin with given they always had the population advantage, which was grounds for a justified two-way split even when they were winning less. I mean they were highly successful but it reflects very badly on Dublin that they weren't even more dominant. But then the GAA had to organise a bailout programme while simultaneously allowing other massive funding for Dublin alone from their Sponsors and the Irish government. The level of special treatment they have received and continue to receive is really disgraceful when you think about it.

dunnerc

I disagree the same talent is not coming through for Dublin, 2 All Ireland's out of every 10 at most. Interest didn't decline in Munster and the rest of Ireland with Kerry winning 82 Munster's and 38 All Irelands ! Croke Park is in Dublin , all semi and all Ireland finals are played in Croke Park which is were all the players in all the Counties want to play ! Population advantage has been talked about by yourself for 13 years, Cork Galway Down Armagh etc have huge population advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc amazingly you refuse to see this ! this justifies splits to these Counties and others ! When you think about it your sad and ridiculous 13 year campaign to get Dublin split is disgraceful !

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121616203#Comment_121616203

I do think provincials should be scrapped but one of the reasons interest didn't decline when Kerry were winning was because they didn't do it from a massively unfairly advantaged position- sadly, this is not true in Dublin's case. Whether Croke Park is in Dublin or now doesn't change the fact that it is Dublin's de facto home ground. Maybe they should have been stopped from using it for home NFL games 10-15 years but it's not possible to reverse that decision now. Either way, Dublin alone benefit from playing finals/semi-finals in their home stadium.

With population, you seem to be confused so maybe I should try to clarify things. Do you think population isn't an advantage (in which case it doesn't matter for Cork, Galway, Down and Armagh) or do you think these counties should be split (in which case, you must agree it is far more urgent to split Dublin)?

Billy_the_Kid

Population is irrelevant, only playing population is a factor (why Kilkenny & Kerry have won most All Irelands) .Otherwise New York will need to be split too.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617714#Comment_121617714

Again i disagree with you ,you seem to be confused i should try to clarify things again Cork Kerry Galway Mayo have population and "funding" advantage over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc

If Dublin is to split these Counties would have to split also

Your only interested in splitting Dublin is to help your own County

All Semi and All Ireland finals are played in Croke park , all your whinging is not going to change this , in fact your 13 year whinging campaign is not going to change anything , you must agree your wasting your time , Maybe start up a peaceful protest outside Croke Park might produce better results .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617943#Comment_121617943

Not at all, if counties can't engage the locals to the same extent, that's on them. There will be some fluctuations (e.g., age, number of adult immgrants etc) but a larger playing population is a massive advantage. Regardless, the number of registered players in Dublin vastly outstrips every other county, including Cork. There are factors other than population and funding that go into success, but clearly past a certain point those two will trump everything else, especially when they are in combination (not to mentioned playing at home on top of this). That point was passed with Leinster years ago and probably has passed for the All-Ireland as well.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121618135#Comment_121618135

Agreed Cork having a larger playing population than Leitrim is a massive advantage .

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121618030#Comment_121618030

As we've discussed before, the gap between other counties is negligible compared to the gap between Dublin and everyone else, including Cork. Dublin to Cork is literally a larger gap than between Cork and Leitrim, the funding gap between Dublin and the next best funded county is far larger than the gap between the 2nd most funded county and the least-funded county. There is literally no important metric on which Dublin aren't massively overfunded compared to everyone else. This is not Dublin's fault, any county would take these advantages if they were offered to them. But it is the GAA's fault for allowing this situation to develop and it is on them to rectify things, ideally with a 4+ split of Dublin, to save the All-Ireland.

As Dublin alone are the only county with the unique combination, nature, duration and scale of these advantages, they are the only county to be split. To put it simply, a population of 100k vs 150k is an issue, but not a massive one. A population of 1.5m vs an average of 150k is a massive problem, as the scale is so large. Similarly a gap of 1m vs 1.2m in funding is an issue but not a massive one. Funding of 30m over years vs an average of 3m is a massive problem, as the scale of difference again is so large. Gaps of this size only apply in Dublin's case. And Dublin enjoys an advantage in every single one of them. The unfairness has become a big, big problem for all counties, including Dublin. It's not a campaign either, just a friendly discussion we're having here.

gaffer91

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121617943#Comment_121617943

Also population absolutely isn't irrelevant. The more players you can choose from, the higher the possibility of having a large selection of top-tier players, or just generally having the best players in the country. The funding then allows these players to be developed to their maximum potential [this wouldn't be a bad thing if Dublin alone hadn't been so grossly favoured over everyone else but sadly this is not the case]. Playing at home then helps the inter-county team win tight games they might otherwise lose. This is simplified of course but this is generally how the unfair advantages Dublin enjoy deliver them All-Irelands, in a way that is not possible to replicate in any other county.

Billy_the_Kid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121618240#Comment_121618240

Its is only playing population that matters, it why Kilkenny will beat Dublin, Antrim and New York. Same for Kerry in football.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121618210#Comment_121618210

As we have discussed before the gap between Cork and Leitrim is huge , Kerry Galway Mayo etc have huge funding over Leitrim Longford Carlow etc, If the GAA were to split Dublin they would have to split the above also .And yes its a friendly discussion we are having and tis great crack so it is , However you are on a 13 year campaign to have Dublin split , its all you do on boards.ie .You have no interest/involvement in any other GAA thread , You are fooling no one , all your interested is splitting Dublin to help your own County , but there is no appetite in the GAA for this to happen so really and truly your 13 year campaign is going around in circles and is going nowhere .