Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

I think the severity of the restrictions on the unvaccinated, such as digital certs and barring them from jobs (has not happened here in Ireland but has in influential countries like US, Canada, Italy, Oz), paradoxically fires up the vaccinated against the unvaccinated.

These measures are very extreme and so to support them you'd almost have to rile yourself up a bit.

When I am reading histories of 17th and 18th century France it reminds of the barring of Huguenots from public worship and most good jobs. (Some churches require certs now so even the religious parallel is not as fanciful as it seems).

Of course they could go and convert and a get certificate of Catholicism (a real thing, required for professions like practicing law) anytime so it was all their own fault supposedly. One noble complained that a part of France (forget where) was "a nest of Huguenots".

Also the higher the vaccination rate the more the pressure and bitterness increases, since if the mob knew that 40% of the population were unvaccinated would they be as confident in lashing out at them?

The more powerless the unvax seem the more hassle they get - and also being comprised of marginal groups like travellers, Central and Eastern Europeans and people who are high in disagreeableness/ not pro-social.

The certs are a disaster since we can all be arm-twisted into taking multiple boosters and having to justify ourselves everywhere we go.

The explosions of anger and profanity against the unvaccinated on boards is something I observe with a cold eye. It doesn't build credibility for the case of the 'follow the science' people, it looks very suspect to me.

Ok yes but that doesn't explain the anger, the vitriol. I know people who are furious about unvaccinated people and I am not sure they even know why they are so angry. You even see it within families.

I personally don't give a damn if the person beside me is unvaccinated. The risk is on him/her for the most part and if they are happy to accept that risk, then off with them.

No, you're entirely wrong. I can't even be bothered to explain it, do your own research, for example on the exhalation valve design on most FFP3 masks.

Why do you think NBC suits have respirators on them? To stop the emergency responders breathing out nuclear fallout?

MilkyToast may have to burn this account now (joking, I'm sure this was just a one off from telegram and the discourse standard will be raised in the future, time will tell).

again missinformation and rubbish. Vaccines reduce spread and effect of disease

Again missinformation mis quoting and rubbish

Most countries allow a test result for indoor entry (and we may be in breach of EU law since the certs were designed for travel.)

Is the goal to prevent infections or to spite people and wear them down?

What site did you see it on first?

What was your old username out of interest? (I usually don't pay attention to these things and assume everyone is who they say they are rather than getting bogged down in calling people shills and bots).

How so? Tell me how it is one of the "freest" countries in Europe? What are the tangible benefits?

Financially it has been an absolute disaster. It was a disaster before the pandemic. It hasn't even been fully implemented yet...which will lead to more impact.

Or take one industry even fishing.

Terrible deal, the industry in UK is pretty much decimated.

You are saying EU countries have to follow EU laws....like it is a bad thing? How do you think food standards are going to look in the UK post Brexit? Bring on the chlorinated chicken and dodgy additives!

You mean as in restrictions? Or what? England has had less restrictions alright. But have England not had more than twice as many deaths per head of population than Ireland? England 131k versus Ireland approx 6k. 56m people versus 5 million. This is despite the UK making a flying start to vaccinations.

A "rich history"...being in the EU doesn't take away our history... we are an independent country but we have to work to certain rules as part of EU...which the UK has to do to if they want to trade..which they have found out to their peril...when Brexit is fully implemented it will be even more of a disaster.

"Culture of liberty" what does that even mean?! Give me a break.

We have benefited and continue to benefit massively from being part of the EU. We went from one of the poorest countries in Europe.

There is also zero appetite in Ireland to leave the EU...all recent polls show 82+% of people here want to remain part of the EU and it is higher among younger people.

Back on topic.

I don't think we will bring in mandatory vaccinations other EU countries have chosen to bring them in, but very little appetite here. We can make our own decisions on things like this while being part of the EU...