Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

It is obviously untrue we have restrictions due to unvaccinated people in hospital with COVID, or in fact any particular number in people in hospital with COVID, because:

(a) we had restrictions when there were almost no people in hospital with COVID.

(b) we had no restrictions when there were many people in hospital with other equally (or more) preventable respiratory viruses

I would like to see someone attempt to formulate a law on restrictions based on hospital pressures that was both consistent with how we've managed hospital pressures and infectious diseases since the establishment of the State, and that didn't specifically mention COVID. It would be impossible.

COVID is specifically novel but not unusual, even in the history of modern medicine.

What is unprecedented is the response.

I would argue that restrictions/lockdowns up until vaccine rollout were needed to save lives, many vulnerable would have died if we had opened up to "hospital capacity" level during that period of time (march 2020 - June 2021), since then, lockdowns are no longer necessary (soon to come treatments will save an extra few %, but not so many that we close off everyone), the mistake made was not opening from August to November and then bringing back some level of restrictions (probably more than we have now as case counts would have started off higher), this was borne out of a desire to only reduce restrictions and never bring them back which it turned out, wasn't possible.

I think it goes with out saying that Covid has exceeded that threshold at this moment in time, a once in a generation pandemic tends to do that.

An applicant would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't.

The argument will be centered around the punitive actions for non vaccinated.

e.g if someone is prevented from a earning a living, etc.

I think there is a dozen odd European countries bringing in mandatory vaccination is some form, we shall see the court cases soon enough.

No, No, absolutely f**king No! No mandatory vaccinations ever with Covid! How many vaccinated in the country now, we went through the longest restrictions in the world yet the highest case numbers in the world now! Absolute bollox now and I am saying that as someone that's triple vaxxed!

We are only being held hostage by an overly conservative NPHET (who should should have been put in their box by our spineless Taoiseach), useless government, politicians and noisy hysterics in social and MSM who are terrified! They all should be ran out of it and anybody supporting this insane bullsh*t should be under permanent lockdowns / restrictions and let the rest of us get back to normal to f*ck!

Ireland = The worlds most hysterical hypochondriacs and what did we get for it the highest rates of Covid! Enough is Enough now!!

We are not even the most vaccinated country in Europe, I think that honor goes to Portugal who shut bars over Christmas.

Probably best not to get your information from the Daily Mail comment section.

I think the severity of the restrictions on the unvaccinated, such as digital certs and barring them from jobs (has not happened here in Ireland but has in influential countries like US, Canada, Italy, Oz), paradoxically fires up the vaccinated against the unvaccinated.

These measures are very extreme and so to support them you'd almost have to rile yourself up a bit.

When I am reading histories of 17th and 18th century France it reminds of the barring of Huguenots from public worship and most good jobs. (Some churches require certs now so even the religious parallel is not as fanciful as it seems).

Of course they could go and convert and a get certificate of Catholicism (a real thing, required for professions like practicing law) anytime so it was all their own fault supposedly. One noble complained that a part of France (forget where) was "a nest of Huguenots".

Also the higher the vaccination rate the more the pressure and bitterness increases, since if the mob knew that 40% of the population were unvaccinated would they be as confident in lashing out at them?

The more powerless the unvax seem the more hassle they get - and also being comprised of marginal groups like travellers, Central and Eastern Europeans and people who are high in disagreeableness/ not pro-social.

The certs are a disaster since we can all be arm-twisted into taking multiple boosters and having to justify ourselves everywhere we go.

The explosions of anger and profanity against the unvaccinated on boards is something I observe with a cold eye. It doesn't build credibility for the case of the 'follow the science' people, it looks very suspect to me.

Ok yes but that doesn't explain the anger, the vitriol. I know people who are furious about unvaccinated people and I am not sure they even know why they are so angry. You even see it within families.

I personally don't give a damn if the person beside me is unvaccinated. The risk is on him/her for the most part and if they are happy to accept that risk, then off with them.

I suppose this is the other aspect, the assumption that the consequences of your decision are confined solely to you, they aren’t . There are wider considerations, most notably the affects on our mutual health system. When the proportion of hospitalisations is so wildly unbalanced, the affect on treatments of other illnesses suffers as a result of the numbers of unvaxed taking up much needed beds.

Mortalities have long since been a consideration when deciding restriction policies, now it is solely hospitalisations and schools. Everyone is **** sick of restrictions, if hospitalisations were lower we could all most likely get on with normal life. As long as over 50% of hospitalisations come from those 5-6% of the population who are unvaxed, restrictions will most likely continue. That pisses a whole lot of people off. Hopefully therapeutics will lower hospitalisation to the point where it won’t matter if everyone is vaccinated. But two events could plunge us back down the hole, a more dangerous variant and reduction in the numbers who take boosters, if that happens, it’s back to shittier times for all of us.

Surely it helps with stopping droplets getting in too?

No, you're entirely wrong. I can't even be bothered to explain it, do your own research, for example on the exhalation valve design on most FFP3 masks.

Why do you think NBC suits have respirators on them? To stop the emergency responders breathing out nuclear fallout?

Is this something that applies at all rates of hospitalisations?

Like if there are 2 people in hospital and one of them is vaccinated and one of them is not, do you still believe you personally have the right to dictate what other people have injected into their bodies, or is there a cut off for you?

Ah, my bad. I thought you were giving your own opinion rather than just your read of the super-angry's.