Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

Leaving it is working out really well for the UK.

You can refer to northern Ireland as being Ireland I do....but you can't ignore the fact if falls under different control, so measures that are introduced in the Republic of Ireland won't be introduced in northern Ireland....the executive/Westminster will decide

You don't need to use the so-called part...it is the the EU.

People in Ireland don't agree (support is 84% in most polls - and higher in younger people)...so it isn't going to happen. The disaster it has been for the UK (Scotland, Wales and England especially) will cement it.

Only in your mind.

That’s mad, Lumen you are right. It does sound funnier in Ian Paisley voice.

Ireland wont have compulsorary, or required, vaccination. Ireland has just 5% of adults unvaccinated, 0% of over 60s . The most vulnerable are protected

In countries like Germany or Austria who are considering manditory vaccination theres over 10% of over 60s unvaccinated, and much higher in certain regions. For Germany, to put the percentage into real numbers, thats a not insignificant 3 million unvaccinated over 60 years of age!

Ireland is in a really good place and when Germany and Austria are seeing lockdown and restrictions next winter caused by the ticking time bomb of beligerant pensioners, Ireland will be fully open.

There are about 200,000 to 300,000 unvaccinated and we've had something like half a million official cases in the past few months so no they are not holding us to ransom. That would be the very rapidly spreading transmissible variant causing all these cases in vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. The ICU cases, vaccinated or not, are almost all Delta.

The ICU numbers are subject to small numbers issues.

But overall case numbers include very many vaccinated people. Based on that, I do not see that the unvaccinated are the problem: vaccinated people who think they are bulletproof are as much of an issue.

Ok you might have issues with the small numbers in Ireland.

Have a look at them somewhere else in that case.

Your view about vaccinated people walking around like they are bulletproof, is just that it isn't based on anything

Can I suggest the concentration of risk around 60-69 year olds is of interest?

And that concentration represents a risk of 0.04% in 60-69 year olds.

70+ — 0.01%

60-69 — 0.04%

50-59 — 0.01%

40-49 — 0.004%

30-39 — 0.002%

18-29 — 0.0005%

may to Dec - would you stop ffs.

in may only 26% of the population were vaccinated.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

We had that sh1te here too in ireland - taking a large majority of peoples conditions and lumping them on the 18% unvaccinated by Dec.

I've no the detail on the UK but I'd imagine in early summer they were still going through vulnerable people.

The people who I know in Ireland not choosing to take the vaccine haven't bothered their GP not mind any ICU or Critical Care.

As I've stated - they never tell you the split of those who decline a vaccine or those that unable due to other issues. They lump all numbers on naysayers.

It's so misleading it's lies.

I'm against vaccine mandates on the basis of long-held principles around informed consent and bodily autonomy. Contrary to many who ostensibly held similar opinions to mine prior to 2020, principles aren't just things I say when it's easy to say them. Indeed, principles that don't hold up under pressure are not principles at all.

I'm also against them on the basis that they don't work and have been shown to strengthen general anti-vaccine sentiment when used, even if they provide an initial, minor boost for the specific vaccine in question.

I would still be against them if covid-19 had the same IFR as ebola. Though I suspect many more people would take the vaccine if it did.

No our dog shît health service is the way it is down to cronic mismanagement for decades, you have bought the government excuse hook line and sinker

I can't tell which opinions are genuine and which are extreme for satirical effect anymore.