Mandatory vaccination in Ireland

AJG

https://www.thejournal.ie/nphet-mandatory-vaccines-5650054-Jan2022/

Any thoughts on this given the large uptake of vaccination for Covid in Ireland?

Lumen

NPHET are attempting to restore their reputatation after the unforeseen disaster of accidentally getting their case projections right.

I am 100% against mandatory vaccination.

We've already gone down some bad roads in the response to covid and this would be a very bad one.

FintanMcluskey

NPHET have really become such a monster.

Their remit was to advise government on the Covid situation.

Not discuss this type of thing

Mandatory 3 monthly vaccinations??? Piss off

And that's from someone who is currently considered "vaccinated"

A step way too far. No way should we introduce mandatory vaccinations for this. It goes against all our rights. Right to bodily integrity, right to privacy etc.

at the moment they are forcing people by stealth to get the vaccine. That's far enough imo.

i don’t see this one happening but I can’t say I’m for it either. Have no fear of the vaccines, but at the same time I don’t we should force people to get them either.

Crocodile Booze

I'm vaccinated by choice. No way should it be mandatory, as we see can see how crazy the paranoid anti-everything brigade are already, so could only imagine how they would lose the plot altogether.

Pawwed Rig

Triple vaxxed myself but I cannot see how mandatory vaccinations could ever be accepted in this country. Not that long ago we had a referendum that focused on a person's bodily integrity. My body my choice works for more than 1 issue.

Anyone who marched and supported pro choice arguments in the abortion referendum would be a hypocrite if the were now to support mandatory vaccination. I would go further tbh and encourage the govt to condemn countries like Austria who try to bring this in.

KieferFan69

Anybody who still thinks this is about public health is not the full shilling.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447764#Comment_118447764

Oh but they're "public health experts" and we should listen to them because they're "public health experts".

The same "public health experts" who have had covid tunnel vision for the past two years causing untold damage to people's health. Missed diagnosises, delayed treatments and cancelled elective surgery. Not to mention the serious mental health impact which we haven't seen the worst of yet.

They were great for doing predictive models of how many would die from covid. I would have liked to see some models for how many would die from the response to covid by missing diagnosises, delayed treatment or committing suicide.

The response to covid was worse than covid itself but sure, let's keep following what the "public health experts" tell us.

Guys - cycling gloves is a brand new, obviously troll account. Just report and ignore

Cluedo Monopoly

I doubt it will ever happen. I think they probably have to discuss it because other countries are looking at it. Probably just a kite.

Has any vaccine ever been mandatory before in Ireland ?

faceman

It’ll never happen in Ireland as we don’t have a national identity scheme and the privacy rules.

Its sad really. The human right to choice trumps the right to live and the right to protect the most vulnerable in society. Something that is covered by the human rights charter.

I guess most people are only interested in human rights if it effects them directly.

Risteard81

I will use any level of force necessary to prevent the infringement of my bodily rights.

silverharp

is there a constitutional case in it a la the Ryan flouridation case based on bodily integrity ?

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447848#Comment_118447848

Singapore has the right idea. Unvaccinated Covid patients get billed for their hospital stay.

KieferFan69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448033#Comment_118448033

Hopefully totalitarian bio-security police state measures like this will force more people, regardless of vaccination status, to march together in solidarity.

KieferFan69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448082#Comment_118448082

How very far-right of you.

Chips Lovell

If this were to come about, and I wouldn't say for sure it would be deemed necessary, you'd expect it'll be "mandatory" in the sense of extending the existing vaccine mandate, as opposed to the totally unrealistic prospect of prosecuting the vaccinated or using any level of force.

So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448066#Comment_118448066

Mrs Ryan actually lost that case, but the court did acknowledge the right to bodily integrity, it just didn't set a precedent.

There no way this will happen

seamus

It's a clickbait headline. Mandatory vaccination is not on NPHETs active agenda or roadmap.

And whatever justification for it may have existed with Delta has been completely removed with Omicron.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448109#Comment_118448109

There was never justification, nor could there ever be.

It's a good idea when vaccine uptake percentages are on the decline.

We got enough leeway to get above 90% voluntarily.

It's time for the government to take us the rest of the way home.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448114#Comment_118448114

The bar for mandatory vaccine is high, but it's there. By stating that something can never be justified, you're basically saying that you would rather people die preventable deaths than violate a principle.

That's fine for you, if you would rather die than violate your principles than that's your call. A state cannot take the same approach.

KieferFan69

“So all it could mean is that all forms of public places such as workplaces and schools will require vaccination to enter”

Grand so. Not really mandatory at all.

KieferFan69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448136#Comment_118448136

He didn’t say it could never be justified though. He said the justification in terms of the history of this particular illness has never been there.

MTU

Michael and Leo would have to personally perform the vaccinations.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448136#Comment_118448136

Principles are absolute. Otherwise they're not principles, but merely tactics. It's the anti-Republican Provisional Movement who cannot understand principles, and it's why they're awful people.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448155#Comment_118448155

That's not the case either though. If vaccination uptake was low and Delta remained dominant there would have absolutely been justification for it.

Bull-headed refusal to even discuss a measure is pure ignorance. A wilful desire to put emotion above facts.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448082#Comment_118448082

Imagine a woman who has a baby which is disabled, despite being advised of the issue before birth and offered an abortion.

Should she be billed for the child's medical care?

terrytrap

I am surprised by the situation how people are afraid of compulsory vaccination. I think that everything is not so scary as many people think.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448082#Comment_118448082

Probably illegal in Ireland to do that but as you're at it I presume you think obese people should be charged for related hospital treatment as well as smokers?

Broke your leg playing football? Well you'll be billed for that too.

cheezums

I'm not against it in principle, but right now with this virus it's not warranted. These vaccines do not seem to slow down transmission much and ICU is pretty stable. If another virus comes along much worse than covid, and the same or worse level of anti vax stupidity remains, at a certain point it becomes necessary to save lives.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448172#Comment_118448172

Is there likely to be a pandemic of that, which overloads the health service. Irrelevant.

KieferFan69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448172#Comment_118448172

Many of these self-described left-wingers will be in favour of all sorts of measures like the one you describe, sooner or later.

Crocodile Booze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448033#Comment_118448033

Settle down Robocop, it's not going to happen.

robfowler78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448169#Comment_118448169

I’d agree that it won’t be introduced as policy but I feel covid certs at least for the start of summer may be used so essentially if you want to do anything social you’ll need a vaccine. Mandatory in all but name but I hope I’m wrong and it doesn’t happen like that. I think with our high uptake on vaccination their should be no need. Booster at winter time yes I’ve no problem with that and I think there will be a big uptake in it Irish people in general aren’t anti vaccination.

Vaccination for travel well that’s up to other countries and I will have no bother getting vaccinated to go on holidays if that’s what other countries require.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448163#Comment_118448163

All principles are absolute until they're tested.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448194#Comment_118448194

Obesity is not a highly contagious virus for which ICU occupation is an example of the pareto principle. In the case of smokers the cost is already priced into how much they pay for tobacco.

Breaking a leg is not usually a voluntary thing.

faceman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448109#Comment_118448109

This by a billion. Sadly the nutcase anti-sciencers are quick to jump on the ”Ah ME HoOmman roightz” with their heads stuck up their vaccum cleaner without realising that the paper will likely show justification for not introducing mandatory vaxs.

Although I suspect it made be made mandatory in healthcare settings and proper order.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448096#Comment_118448096

So?

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448343#Comment_118448343

The fact you consider it "proper order" to mandate it in any setting shows how far from humanity you have fallen.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448275#Comment_118448275

What about people who wind up in ICU every year with flu and no jab. Presume they should be charged too yeah?

Breaking a leg as a result of a choice would fall into your view of the world, unless you are trying to claim that ending up in ICU with Covid is a choice?

Atlantic Dawn

I see no point in mandatory vaccination, the facts for and against have been shown, let people decide the risks. The fact it still spreads after being vaccinated should worry those unvaccinated more than anyone else.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448194#Comment_118448194

I thought we were charged for everything already. Is that not why we have insurance.

Also if someone has issues like these they already may not get priority on waiting lists and indeed often required to lose weight or such before being considered for treatment. No matter what age if someone is less viable they will be filtered. That is the reality of finite resources.

Risteard81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448414#Comment_118448414

Why should it worry anyone? It's a threat to almost no-one.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448382#Comment_118448382

If flu was causing whole economies to get shut down then I would say yes.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448449#Comment_118448449

About half the population don't have any form of health insurance.

And we're talking about lemme who need hospital treatment here. Thankfully we don't turn people away those who need such treatment despite the wishes of some on here.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448460#Comment_118448460

Covid isn't causing the economy to shut down, that's a political decision. We've had rammed hospitals and massively busy ICUs every winter for decades. People continuously forget that conveniently enough.

lawrencesummers

I might be alone in thinking this but i dont think we should be calling these shots vaccinations.

They should be known as temporary pre-exposure preventative therapeutics or something like that.

Being called an anti-vaxer to me means that you are happy to take your chances with diseases that have successfully been all but eradicated by vaccine like Polio, measels etc etc.

If these shots were as successful at wiping out covid 19 as those vaccinations then I could accept the need for certain sections of society having to get them, but they clearly dont contain the spread while they clearly albeit temporarily reduce the effect of the virus.

KieferFan69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448275#Comment_118448275

Hold on a sec. The issue is with obese people taking up hospital beds where there may not be enough available. Do you think they should have to pay for treatment due to their lifestyle choices? Speak plainly.

Also, in terms of taxation: will people like myself that are vax-free be returned our tax money? After all, we’re paying for other people’s pharmaceutical products that we ourselves don’t want or need? Didn’t think so.