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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    Looks like just self isolation does it also say you can travel without proof of vaccination you just need to take a test after arrival



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    As i understand it though, if you're flying into Ireland then the airline can refuse boarding at the departure airport without the test.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    Indeed. More business' going to the wall to keep the fear/restrictions going.

    Before all this shyte began and a sniffle didn't require a PCR test, human corona virus's accounted for 20% of the relatively harmless bunch of retro-virus' we lumped into the "common cold".

    So now a common cold type virus can be used to maintain and increase restrictions. Like in the last few days the UK has used this Omicron to rush forward the agreement to purchase 114 Million additional "vaccine" doses. which now leaves them with secure access to 453.5 Million vaccine doses over the next two years or so.

    Then the EU has an agreed purchass of 2100 Million vaccine doses for 2022/2023 (with a clause that does not allow a change of mind, all have to be paid for).

    As Bill Clinton said "Follow the trend lines, not the headlines."

    So, without more restrictions, How are we going to be convinced to accept these ongoing jabs our governments have already committed to pay for?

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭brickster69


    You would of thought they have to by rights otherwise it is totally pointless.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    If the government though says you don't actually need the test then I can't see why an airline would refuse.

    Ara fcuk knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    The problem is the carriers won’t allow you to board if you don’t have the test because they got fines from the government last time for not following procedure to a tee.


    I still don’t understand why the NHS pcr is not acceptable. Money racket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    No Tork I wouldn’t say it is fairer to say it’s a rant, and as someone who’s admitted to not knowing what Omicron is I don’t see why you have to respond in an obnoxious way!

    Your post is nothing but a diggy rant at me and brings no information from yourself at all!

    His article says that he’s positive with the findings that this variant has signs of the common cold, which is not the first report of exactly this, in fact a lot countries that are sequencing are saying the same!

    By all means be all pessimistic about it all, some of us are trying to stay positive after nearly 2 years of doing what we’re told and having the rug pulled out at the slightest uninformed report of ‘concern’.

    But thanks for your reply, really insightful!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Anecdotal I know but the aul dear came home for a visit this evening for a few days (lives in the UK) and told me passport control didn’t ask her for anything regarding a test, just a passport! Also commented that all the booths were open, which is a rarity!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    They are only spot checking. Staff at stansted a very strict on checking paperwork pre boarding this evening…



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    I’m going to pay the €70 for the test anyway to save any potential hassle. I’d booked this ages ago but if I had known that this shite was coming back in I would have just came in through the North. Save yourself loads of hassle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 171 ✭✭FoFo1254122


    we will having drinks and food in the office, back to employers home which has a shebeen and then later for a lock in a pub owned by employer

    I plan on being very very drunk



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens



    This is it here. This is it right here.

    I posted about my friend losing her hard fought and worked for little business on the other thread. And this is exactly what I was speaking of. This post is, not only gloating, but practically joyous, about still reaming in the readies from the trough that is our disgusting HSE.

    To be perfectly frank, I'm hoping the Dazzlers account is a fake as(never bothered replying to it before as the posts absolutely turn my stomach, cards on the table), well, quite frankly, if it isnt.....its not just the wake up call that anyone not nuzzling at the teat of the public sector who are still, not only making rent but creaming it for lovely hols and christmas pressies needs, its the wake up call that we MUST have to end this madness. Bragging about the amount of money for a few hours work (which is quite frankly to most working people an astronomical sum for that amount of hours) and all the while pontificating for umpteen threads how the filthy unvaxxed are the cause of our woes.

    Sneering has become trademark of of our "Betters" in the HSE.. "Save our Health System"

    Yeah...all the plebs working their holes off day in day out....Sacrifice your homes, your wages, your sanity, your sleepless nights wondering how in the actual fuk you are going to pay the mortgage and the bills, put food on the table, put kids in school, sort santa, keep the electricity on....Sacrifice all on the alter so we can keep these guys in Their well paid jobs so they can head off to Cancun while their new extension is being done, because like NOBODY wants to be around when messy works being done.

    So many are doing SO WELL from this royal sh1t show that for the majority of people is a winter dose, that if we dont stand up to this...we can go back to the 40's and 50's Ireland and instead of the Church we are now ruled by the well paid HSE iron fist.

    Vested interests????

    If you ever needed any more proof that the medical INDUSTRY are reaping the rewards, look no further



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    A friend of mine is a pharmacist. I don't think she makes €1200 a day when she locums......



  • Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭ISOP


    The thinking is that public money should not bee used to facilitate private travelling, if you want to travel, pay for your own PCR test



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    What stood out to me from that article was this

    ‘through what he called a voluntary approach to vaccination.’

    Those talks that Von der Leyden mentioned have already happened, you’d be very naive to believe otherwise. Mandatory boosters on the horizon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Article here about the history of mandatory vaccination including questions about the wisdom and usefulness of them.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Certainty that, so predictable, all the calls will have been made and orders handed out. Expect the media to turn against the great unwashed in lots of places this week. Even Stevie Wonder could see this coming.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Trying to normalise this crap eh?l

    unbelievable the road people are going down.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    You make some interesting points. The crux of your argument is that I'm "nuzzling at the teat of the public sector".


    I'm not sure you are aware that all community pharmacies in Ireland are private enterprises. There are not run by the HSE. So it's the market dictating the rates. Unfortunately, boots et al. are all private enterprises. I would be very much in favour of higher taxes if we nationalised all medical services.

    I don't believe I was sneering in my post but I guess that's your point of view so fair enough.

    I've known hard times, I self funded myself through my pharmacy degree. Worked 30 hours a week in a phone shop during college year. Then during summers, I worked full time as an assistant landscaper. It was tough work and things were dicey at times (remembering days I would have to call around to friend's houses to get dinner as couldn't afford it myself) but I got through it.


    The locum wages per hour have nothing really to do with covid. It's due to a lack of qualified pharmacists in Ireland at the moment so unsure how useful that I think vaccines are is in any way related to



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    I noticed you edited out the more obvious personal attack on your post. Classy as always.

    Never really had much trouble with the ladies if I'm honest. I did study chemistry in school so I guess there was at least one thing right in your emotive post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The headline was that a booster protects against any future variant - LOL yeah right. The study quoted in the article says no such thing - because of course it cant. How can you state definitively that it protects against variants that dont yet exist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,184 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Embarrassing is the only word I can think of the describe that ‘article’.

    Mandatory vaccines have been with us ‘for centuries’ 😁 Penicillin wasn’t even around a hundred years ago, yes I know penicillin is not a vaccine but my point is medical science was primitive at the time of WW1. Look up ‘gas gangrene’.



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  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    Rates vary but Sunday locum that was organised late on Saturday evening was 120/hr, bit of negotiation to be fair needed to arrive at the figure. Planned locum jobs vary from 50-100 (depending on what area of the country, day of the week, randomly the best locum rates tend to be in Wexford, I've no idea why), emergency 90-130.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I edited my post to add to it. I did not take anything out.


    Strange then, that you have to gloat at every chance you get. The frustration from the school days must still be with you.

    I don't earn as much as you, but I earn a lot more than many people, shop assistants, hca, drivers etc.

    But I don't gloat about it. Boards posters generally earn more money than average, yet you are about the only poster that has to repeat what you earn, how secure you are. Even in threads where people are tearing their hair out - discussing job losses, pay cuts, etc.


    Ooh, it's "the ladies" is it. How posh and dignified you sound.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pretty much proving my point. While most people would be relaxing on a Saturday night off work, you spend the night to work more, to earn more money.

    Gives you another chance to come to Boards and boast I suppose. Which you did not miss.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is this imaginary world that some of you inhabit one where there is no requirement for some essential services at the weekend, and no requirement for short notice cover?



  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Bsharp




    Pharmacists urged not to take part in mass vaccinations in dispute over €70 hourly fee

    The fees agreed between the IPU and the HSE are about three times higher than the rate on offer in the recruitment drive. Picture: Larry Cummins

        

    SAT, 27 FEB, 2021 - 07:00

    MICK CLIFFORD

    Pharmacists have been advised by their representative body not to take part in the HSE’s vaccination programme in a row over fees.

    The row centres on the different rates of pay that the Irish Pharmaceutical Union (IPU) has agreed with the HSE and the salaries that are being offered for the same job in a recruitment drive. 

    The fees agreed between the IPU and the HSE are about three times higher than the rate on offer in the recruitment drive.

    A ministerial regulation signed earlier this year makes provision for pharmacists to be paid €70 per hour for working as vaccinators in the mass vaccination


    In no way related to pharmacists doing vaccinations directly and associated levels of renumeration.



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  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    Of course you are right. I should have said no and potentially people would not have been able to access medication, emergency hormonal contraception etc. You know best, salononfire!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We don't have mandatory vaccination here in Ireland and we have reached almost 94% (of those eligible) I think that's a good argument for it being voluntary

    Interesting side note, my local bar is about 65%-70% outdoors, a lovely beer garden, even in the depths of the coldest January, so with the latest restrictions it's operating to almost 85% capacity, fully outdoors plus half of the indoors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    My sister is a pharmacist.Locuming is good money.Handy for someone who is trying to save money for a house.She works in a small private business, and locums in small private businesses and really it is nobody's business but her own.Downside is she is not really on a payscale in her day job, it's just fixed at a salary with no potential payrises, and that's it, and she has no pension unless she goes and sorts out a private one.Also for annual leave, she has to arrange locum cover ..... volunteers like The Dazzler😁

    Why is that such a big deal to people?I'm an engineer, I could make money by doing planning applications, surveys and drawings on the side, if I was that way inclined.A lot of work is needed to get those qualifications and that is the benefit of that work.I wouldn't begrudge most people for doing well out of a few hard years of study, that's the whole point of those years.Finance and the medical industry are generally where the big money is, rightly or wrongly.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Bsharp


    Took issue with the notion that pharmacy locum payscales aren't related to HSE level of spending. Pharmacies rely heavily on HSE for their income and are a strong vested interest group in the sector. They're directly related. Don't have an issue with the work, just don't mis-represent who's paying for it.

    As an engineer you could, provided you don't use your current employers softwares, meet any contract stipulations that work is-pre agreed, and get the required levels of insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Thread getting a little derailed, talk of Pensions, Bonds, Locum pharmacist salaries 😳

    It's getting as surreal as this Government decision making processes.

    Meanwhile, DOE Toned down their rethoric re the bully boy tactics & advice on children being excluded from school if they refuse to wear masks, don't expect to see or hear from Norma Fur Coat Foley until the new year.

    Government under fire for trying to gag medical experts, whilst Leo described as being akin to a cabbage strainer , he leaks so much.

    Heather incomprehensible Humphries to announce what exactly the supports to thousands of people about to loose their jobs means, who's eligible etc, 4, yes 4 days after they were announced.

    Leo also now under fire from fellow cabinet ministers for describing decisions he actually supported as being "Peculiar "

    Hospitality sector to Meet Katherine Martin and Leo yet AGAIN, this morning for some more Tea & Sympathy, I believe Marietta biscuits have run out, so plain digestives to be offered.

    Another week of incompetence, Mixed messaging , ineptitude along with a storm forecast for the week ahead 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Make whatever money you like - however bragging about your income is very much a "nouveau riche" type of thing.

    You wouldnt catch us old money types at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I didn't read his post as gloating. He stated a fact. You've now stated that you earn more than many people. Gloating? No. Neither was Dazzler.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,560 ✭✭✭celt262


    Might as well merge with the Covid 19 Part XXXV as its just a free for all on these threads lately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed , not at all sure how we've got here with some extraordinary nonsense 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    That's an absolutely disgusting comment regarding the cancer ward. Shaking my head, trivialising cancer. What the hell!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You obviously don't have the same concerns that job losses have on mental health and family cohesion. Your outrage does not extend to these health aspects.



  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    While I agree with your comment as a single comment, if it wasn't for your absolutely disgusting comments of wanting to ban people from society based on their own medical choices it would hold more weight.

    You come across as wanting to be some saintly holier than thou virtual signaller.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    The faux outrage from all sides is strong this morning



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    This place has gone to the dogs tbh.

    The anti vaxers have infiltrated the site in a big way. It's more akin to Facebook now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭Quags


    Always the Anti Vaxxer shout, its getting boring now



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    So Flip Flop, Fucking Gobshites and Gombeen Party have now rolled back on the mask wearing for schools - last week kids that wouldnt wear masks would be excluded from school and today its grand for them not to wear masks and they wont be excluded.

    So basically nothing has changed regarding mask wearing for 9 year old and older.


    They havent a clue what they are doing - running around like headless chickens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Nice lazy stereotype you have there! I don't see it bearing any resemblance to reality though.

    I don't see anyone saying they're antivax? Anti-mandatory vaccination maybe but that's a reasonable point given our high levels of vaccination and the idea of personal choice.

    Maybe you meant "far right" - although we don't have any of those either! This is not America and Facebook or Twitter are not reality!



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