Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278205#Comment_118278205

Fair enough, we are only talking 12% difference between our figures though, could be down to reduction in transmission

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278205#Comment_118278205

Nope. You are wrong. Pfizer is said to have a 95% efficacy as it reduces risk of becoming seriously ill (which includes death) in cohort who received the Pfizer vaccine vs the control group who didn't receive the vaccine. This is the relative risk reduction. For obvious reasons in clinical trials, we wouldn't give patients who have an active covid infection a vaccine.

Archeron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277223#Comment_118277223

Instead of the reds under the bed, its the unvaxxed in the jax.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277223#Comment_118277223

all good now - state bodies can just make it up as they go along

nothing at all wrong with this

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267873#Comment_118267873

In the blueprint it was 6 months (estimated date of vaccines waning). But before it went live they removed the expiry date because they reckoned there would be no enthusiasm en masse if it only lasted that long.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278319#Comment_118278319

The relative risk reduction for death is measured as the reduction in people who died after testing positive for covid.

They did not give anyone covid in trials, but they didnt calculate efficacy based on everyone in the trial group - only those who tested positive for covid.

The calculation for efficacy against death is: (num_deaths_with_covid / num_cases) * 100

floorpie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278172#Comment_118278172

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278319#Comment_118278319

Reported RRRs by manufacturers are for incidence of COVID-19 only, established via symptoms + a positive PCR. Not hospitalisation, severe incidence, death, or whatever else.

Pfizer is said to have a 95% efficacy as it reduces risk of becoming seriously ill (which includes death) in cohort who received the Pfizer vaccine vs the control group who didn't receive the vaccine.

Almost nobody died during trials so Pfizer's reported effectiveness is unrelated to death from COVID-19.

freshpopcorn

https://twitter.com/_FeachNews/status/1467867243228848130

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278205#Comment_118278205

In what strange world is the reduction in incidence not relevant to the overall mortality risk reduction?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278367#Comment_118278367

Are you referring to the 95% vaccine efficacy for pfizer vaccine? Maybe we are talking about different studies/trials?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278389#Comment_118278389

Agreed here, I should have said ill rather than seriously ill.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118271044#Comment_118271044

« Young man with clean bill of health... »

« Not only had he been doubled-jabbed, but had spent most of his life in relatively good health with only a broken arm and the removal of a cyst blotting his NHS notes... »

Apparently this diseased can take down the fittest of the fit :

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278392#Comment_118278392

It is related - but it is not part of the headline 95% efficacy against serious illness/death that is often quoted.

"Vaccine efficacy" can mean any number of things - efficacy against death, against hospitalisation, against infection.

Infection reduction can be multiplied by death efficacy to get overall idea of protection, but this figure is not the 95% figure quoted even in Pfizer's own marketing material.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277793#Comment_118277793

You can't just double the cases for November.

You can match cases like for like per 100k if you want. (while adjusting the death ratio to its parent case number) But doubling cases in November effectively halves the deaths

Possibly the biggest error I've seen on any covid thread so far.

Not sure why that has to be highlight lol

if November 2021 had 116K cases and it IS the delta variant then you can't double the number again. The 116K already factors in the transmissibility because it is the fecking variant that is being counted.

Thats like saying, I am going to count cows in a field that are black and white. And then getting to 100 black and white cows, then finishing off by saying. Well black and white cows are 4 times more likely to be in Irish fields so we now count 400 cows in the field.

Quags

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277223#Comment_118277223

Holy Jaysus 😂 If you believe this then your head is so far in the sand its ridiculous. Backlash is so strong from the new restrictions that its time to take the blame away from the HSE/Gov and back to the dirty unvaccinated

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118277920#Comment_118277920

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Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278597#Comment_118278597

The 13% of cases you're referring to excludes cases in 0-12 year olds though.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278624#Comment_118278624

Ah ok, didn't realise. I'll edit the post.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278439#Comment_118278439

Fittest of the fit might be a push...

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278676#Comment_118278676

he says without a shred of irony🤣

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278624#Comment_118278624

I’d imagine you’d have to look at the age breakdown too, of the 80,000 approx. positive cases over that four week period. That 7% unvaccinated changes a bit as the age group decreases.

Could be the case, pure example, that 15% of 12 - 40 year olds are unvaccinated, and if there were disproportionately more cases in that group, then you’re not really talking 13% unvaccinated out of 7% of population.

Having said that there will cases in the unknown 18,000 that are not vaccinated so it won’t be 13% unvaccinated, it will be higher, could be 1% higher, could be 20% higher.

The HSPC data is relying on gathering information in the first instance from the case/patient, and then on the quality of data input on the system (from HSE as well as from place of vaccination) and also on the software linking HSE data to CIDR which is relatively new.

MilkyToast

We have a rolling 7 day cases average of 4885 and a rolling 7 day deaths average of 8. That's 0.16% fatality rate in the cases we're aware of.

These increased restrictions are hysterical madness.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278179#Comment_118278179

He’s right. It’s a jumped-up flu. The only reason that it gets so much attention is that Trump is gone and there’s nothing else to get dramatic about…

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278954#Comment_118278954

That's a good point with the age breakdown.

They do give a detailed age breakdown on the ages of the vaccinated, but not in the unvaccinated. As the unknown % is so high, you can't simply take the HPSC weekly report of subtract the age breakdowns to get the unvaccinated numbers.

I'd also question the older ICU reports, they had 3 categories, fully vaccinated, partially and unvaccinated. I wonder if there was a significant unknown figure that was lumped in with unvaccinated?

I made the mistake on the new reports to take the vaccinated and partially vaccinated figure away from the total and assume the remaining figure was unvaccinated.

Surinamo

The road taken is indeed a bumpy one. I do remember when 60% of the population would take the vaccination we’d have herd immunity…then it became 80% … now there’s a push for 100%. Meanwhile I noticed a headline on Sunday stating the public being angry/losing patience with unvaccinated. There’s plenty of finger pointing which changes from time to time.

Perhaps the EU will try to bring in mandatory vaccination? Seems a good idea but long term -from a democratic perspective …bold, risky perhaps over-invasive and somewhat creepy. an extension of powers could lay a precedent for similar measures in the future -citizens simply doing what they are told to do by a perceived majority view. Majority views can be bolstered by strong media campaigns, lack of real debate, excessive negativity propagating fear, and censorship. Are we seeing that- yes. There is fake news out there but valid differing views are lumped in with that category which simply benefits those presenting majority view. Differing views are presented as marginalised and labels are applied to ‘those others’. This happens time and again through history.

The view presented as mainstream creates division.

Ideally many could develop natural immunity via infection in addition to vaccinated portions of society esp immunocomp. Everybody working together. It is clear that these vaccines don’t offer herd immunity. They lessen symptoms. Then a new variant comes along and we’re offered another shot…and another and another? Then a further headline from a Pharmaceutical (AZ) today stating that it’s likely that a far worse virus will strike in the near future … more fear yet who profits?

Im glad when I pray in silence and look for answers that I’m guided not to worry 😅 Great cosmic changes are also in motion and played out on the world stage 🙂 Better days lie ahead. 😅 How lucky we are to live in these times! Love is the great unifier, fear divides. Love yourself, love others and stay positive ✨🧡

kittensmittens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118276215#Comment_118276215

My issue isn't the amount of money earned....its the months of berating and pontificating , and without a doubt, sneering that these posters are doing from an Ivory Tower where they have been wholey untouched by the financial pain and suffering that so many people are now dealing with now for almost 2 years.

Its quite frankly disgusting to me to brag about your earnings and how well you are doing, while all the while taking this moral fukcing highground telling others how great they are and how sh1t everyone else is. All the while people are losing every god damn thing they have worked for. I've had enough now. And I'm not the only one.

"All in this together"?

We are in my hole

brickster69

Further restrictions in France including nightclubs closing for 4 weeks

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/sante-sciences/direct-video-covid-19-suivez-conference-de-presse-de-jean-castex-et-olivier-veran-ce-lundi-1638803694

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118279486#Comment_118279486

In fairness to the dude he only mentioned his €1200 in response to a fairly abrasive comment from me.

I don't think he was meaning to generally brag about his income.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118278676#Comment_118278676

Yep and I'm now out , for a moment earlier , I thought thread back on Track but clearly not. Some quite astonishing bile and irrelevant nonsense has taken over 🙄

kittensmittens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118279583#Comment_118279583

With all due respect to you, there was ZERO need for his pay to be mentioned by him at all. It was done to brag and gloat and keeps in tone with the rest of their posts. Post inflammatory things...expect a reaction. And in the current climate, bragging about pulling in €1200 A DAY when people have been reduced to €350 PER WEEK, is intended to rile and gloat.