Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 05-07-2021 10:01PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Jesus Christ, this thread has always been dipping its toes in farce but has really crapped itself with this. It's like people only discovered Johnson today during his press conference.

Why's that? Because you don't personally agree with the decision?

That's entirely your right - and you may be proven correct in the end - but you really need to learn to accept that not everyone will feel the same way about something as you do, and that's fine too.

As I referred to above.. Covid has really exposed a section of society who actively get angry and upset and start lashing out when their own views aren't universally validated.

It's a disturbing trend TBH.

Hurrache · 05-07-2021 10:03PM

growleaves wrote: »

Mass mask wearing on a timescale of years is itself an experiment.

Restricting oxygen flow on a daily basis for say three years does... what to your health? No one knows.

But hey 'I thrust the experts' right?

Sorry, I didn't mean my recent post to be a challenge to someone to try post something even stupider, yet here it is.

Hurrache · 05-07-2021 10:05PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Why's that? Because you don't personally agree with the decision?

That's entirely your right - and you may be proven correct in the end - but you really need to learn to accept that not everyone will feel the same way about something as you do, and that's fine too.

As I referred to above.. Covid has really exposed a section of society who actively get angry and upset and start lashing out when their own views aren't universally validated.

It's a disturbing trend TBH.

It's not a trend, disturbing or not. If you post nonsense, contrary to science everywhere, it's not my opinion, you're simply wrong, and there's no arguing that masks are effective.

Beasty · 05-07-2021 10:05PM

growleaves wrote: »

Restricting oxygen flow on a daily basis for say three years does... what to your health? No one knows.

Doesn't bother healthcare workers

Now stop making such outlandish claims

growleaves · 05-07-2021 10:06PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't mean my recent post to be a challenge to someone to try post something even stupider, yet here it is.

Surgeons only wear them for two hours at a time in a climate controlled environment. Not all surgeons wear masks even.

No guarantee that someone wearing a mask day-in day-out for an 8 hour shift will not suffer adverse health effects down the line. You are literally restricting oxygen flow for that time.

growleaves · 05-07-2021 10:07PM

I'll shut up talking about it.

brickster69 · 05-07-2021 10:08PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And this is the really strange thing.

Because it will be no longer mandatory, some people are losing their minds rather than just carrying on as they have to this point and continuing to mask up if they want. Nothing wrong with them doing that either.

It seems more that those same people who want the Government to mandate and validate their actions, are now upset because not everyone feels the same way about the issue that they do.

These people should be reminded that the real world isn't Twitter.

They will be moaning if you do not where one when you laid out are in a wooden box next these bar stewards.

_Kaiser_ · 05-07-2021 10:08PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Your logic is terrible, you simply can't, and don't, account for stupidity, of which there continuous to be much of, this thread a prime example.

Your logic is the same as saying if some people don't get themselves vaccinated, then no point vaccinating others.

You even have yourself convinced they were only introduced, the world over, because of Twitter.

It's absurd you're trying to argue the effectiveness of masks because there's some many stupid people who can't figure them out.

What are you so angry/outraged or fearful about?

I'm being genuine here... the facts and stats of the last 15 months have shown who is actually at significant risk from Covid - on the whole it's a thankfully very small number in this country.

It's also shown that the overwhelming majority are at little to no risk from it - again, surely this is a very good thing?

Don't forget the effect of the vaccination programme which is also a very effective countermeasure, especially for the first group above.

So unless you think that we can somehow prevent death entirely (we can't), or your issue is that others don't feel the same level of concern that you do, then what are you getting so upset about?

Ice Albatross · 05-07-2021 10:10PM

growleaves wrote: »

Mass mask wearing on a timescale of years is itself an experiment.

Restricting oxygen flow on a daily basis for say three years does... what to your health? No one knows.

But hey 'I thrust the experts' right?

Some are born experts, others have expertise thrust upon them

corkonion · 05-07-2021 10:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hope I am wrong but seems the UK are taking unnecessary risks.

A few colleagues today said similar to me.

I just hope the “great Bozza Jozza” takes full responsibility if it goes down the sh1tter...

I agree with Boris, it's now or never. Vaccinations and people recently recovered from a mild case gives a great deal of immunity, opening up in October or November is madness, when everyone shields together indoors from our amazing climate, of course he's taking a risk, for me,its the right risk

ElTel · 05-07-2021 10:15PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s either that or no indoor dining, that’s the choice

Or ignore Nphet!
Have they updated their projections yet before they retune them with new data from these few weeks?

I really hate the idea of vaccine passes and so did our government on principle I thought.
MM (it seems) is now running around trying to implement Nphet's advice!!!

Hmmm, Your probably right but the optimist in me hopes it's a ploy to help the vaccine drive.

Our country's vaccine uptake stats by the 19th should even render the international travel pass unnecessary for the over 40s.(say)

corkonion · 05-07-2021 10:24PM

Does anyone know if the Romanian vaccine deal has been completed and if they are on route? Our national broadcaster don't like to give positives, so there's no info there, yesterday, when cases climbed a little, it was headline news, today, when they dropped way back down, they decided not to report on numbers.

MOH · 05-07-2021 10:30PM

A slightly younger Tony Holohan front and centre.
At least this slightly explains his obsessive crusade against indoor hospitality a century later

Aph2016 · 05-07-2021 10:33PM

The Tonight Show is grim to watch, they seem to roll out Paul Murphy with his doomsday nonsense on a weekly basis.

We're not getting out of this until next summer at the earliest. If they won't remove 99% of restrictions during the summer period, then we have no hope when Autumn/Winter comes. Cases are going to rise again, more restrictions will return, rinse repeat, summer 2022 we will still be having the same conversations.

People have lost their minds.

corkonion · 05-07-2021 10:33PM

MOH wrote: »

A slightly younger Tony Holohan front and centre.
At least this slightly explains his obsessive crusade against indoor hospitality a century later

ðŸ€£ brilliant

Sobit1964 · 05-07-2021 10:33PM

corkonion wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Romanian vaccine deal has been completed and if they are on route? Our national broadcaster don't like to give positives, so there's no info there, yesterday, when cases climbed a little, it was headline news, today, when they dropped way back down, they decided not to report on numbers.

Why are Romania doing a deal to give their vaccines to Ireland again?

_Kaiser_ · 05-07-2021 10:40PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Why are Romania doing a deal to give their vaccines to Ireland again?

Vaccine hesitancy locally I believe.

daydorunrun · 05-07-2021 10:44PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Why are Romania doing a deal to give their vaccines to Ireland again?

The government there are not bringing in mandatory vaccination by stealth. There are two choices there- take it or don’t. Rather than the take it or be excluded from the reintroduction of certain freedoms that is evolving here.

MrMusician18 · 05-07-2021 10:44PM

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.

Degag · 05-07-2021 10:49PM

corkonion wrote: »

I agree with Boris, it's now or never. Vaccinations and people recently recovered from a mild case gives a great deal of immunity, opening up in October or November is madness, when everyone shields together indoors from our amazing climate, of course he's taking a risk, for me,its the right risk

Deal done. I heard it on the radio either today or yesterday.

Sobit1964 · 05-07-2021 10:50PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.

May I ask how does this feeling of being disturbed manifest itself?

nocoverart · 05-07-2021 11:04PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.[/QUOTE

Nobody asked for this so I do have sympathy for NPHET on some scale, but you find “the personal obsession” ( actually it’s frustration ) quite disturbing? well that’s just ridiculous! we’ve almost turned into a dictatorship compared to the rest of Europe in our handling of Covid now. We’re the outliers here and if you can’t see why the Irish people may be a bit “obsessed” well, that’s on you.

JRant · 05-07-2021 11:10PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.

I'm more disturbed about how we've managed to hand over the reigns of public policy to a group of unelected career civil servants.

crossman47 · 05-07-2021 11:13PM

Holohan must be having a wry smile at those urging antigen tests https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/at-least-180-infected-after-dutch-disco-despite-showing-covid-19-certificates-1.4611870

Hello Moto GP · 05-07-2021 11:14PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.

The government don't have the balls to go against NPHET so they are basically the decisions makers.

Should everyone just bend over for Nphet and be happy with everything they do?

They've made an absolute bollox of things so far along with the government.

I think people forget who is going to pay for all of this!!!!!!!!!!!

US THE PUBLIC.

acequion · 05-07-2021 11:22PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I have to say I find the personal obsession of some posters here for Holohan and the other prominent NPHET members quite disturbing.

I'm actually disturbed by the fact that you find it disturbing. You somehow imply that they are sacrosanct and that it is somehow sacrilegious to criticise them. Like cult leaders.

Several posters, myself included, despise Holohan and NPHET, because at best we are uncomfortable with the unfettered power bestowed on them and at worst distrust them over the many disastrous decisions and their rigidity. You clearly disagree but you shouldn't be disturbed that others have a totally different viewpoint. Divergence is healthy. This really isn't a cult.

crossman47 · 05-07-2021 11:28PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm actually disturbed by the fact that you find it disturbing. You somehow imply that they are sacrosanct and that it is somehow sacrilegious to criticise them. Like cult leaders.

Several posters, myself included, despise Holohan and NPHET, because at best we are uncomfortable with the unfettered power bestowed on them and at worst distrust them over the many disastrous decisions and their rigidity. You clearly disagree but you shouldn't be disturbed that others have a totally different viewpoint. Divergence is healthy. This really isn't a cult.

You can disagree with their decisions but to say you despise them is ridiculous. they are people doing their best under constant pressure. I don't know what you work at but how would you like everything you do exposed to public scrutiny and ridicule by some people who don't understand a complex picture. I have nothing but sympathy for them.

Henry... · 05-07-2021 11:28PM

Hello Moto GP wrote: »

The government don't have the balls to go against NPHET so they are basically the decisions makers.

Should everyone just bend over for Nphet and be happy with everything they do?

They've made an absolute bollox of things so far along with the government.

I think people forget who is going to pay for all of this!!!!!!!!!!!

US THE PUBLIC.

The US is paying our bill ?

MrMusician18 · 05-07-2021 11:33PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm actually disturbed by the fact that you find it disturbing. You somehow imply that they are sacrosanct and that it is somehow sacrilegious to criticise them. Like cult leaders.

Several posters, myself included, despise Holohan and NPHET, because at best we are uncomfortable with the unfettered power bestowed on them and at worst distrust them over the many disastrous decisions and their rigidity. You clearly disagree but you shouldn't be disturbed that others have a totally different viewpoint. Divergence is healthy. This really isn't a cult.

Having your own opinions on Holohan and NPHETs work professionally is fine in my book. I do draw a line at some of the personal attacks, name-calling and other deplorable behaviour that's been witnessed in this thread.

On thread I've seen Holohan called names, personally slandered, mocked among other things and quite frankly it's completely unacceptable. If that's all the arguments you and your fellow thankers have, then you have nothing.

If you wouldn't say these things and not hide behind a pseudonym, then you shouldn't say them.

acequion · 05-07-2021 11:38PM

crossman47 wrote: »

You can disagree with their decisions but to say you despise them is ridiculous. they are people doing their best under constant pressure. I don't know what you work at but how would you like everything you do exposed to public scrutiny and ridicule by some people who don't understand a complex picture. I have nothing but sympathy for them.

Your livelihood has obviously not been affected to say you have sympathy for them. Neither has mine, thankfully. but the livehoods of several of those close to me has and I expect that we'll all be footing a huge bill for a long time to come so I wonder how much sympathy you might have then.

I think you're too kind, if I may be so bold. I don't think they're doing their best and I don't think the politicians are doing their best. I think they are all doing what suits them, what suits their egos and what suits their careers. I very much distrust them and resent the huge power they have over my life.

I smile at the point emboldened. I'm a teacher, like NPHET, I work for the public. I'm well used to public scrutiny and ridicule, it goes with the territory. And these guys, like all our top public servants, are paid very handsomely for the stress. They can always walk away and do an easier job if they're not up to it.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings