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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7472
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So because we have a different opinion to you then we are working with NPHET/government.

    Piss off. There’s bad faith posting then there’s that.

    If that's not the case then I'd worry . They have blood on their hands and also destroyed this country socially and economically

    I loathe them


  • #7473
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Has anyone asked why Mexico and Canada get a **** load of spare vaccines?

    weird

    is your surname mc carthy?

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    I don’t get your point. A country than has vaccines it’s not using is giving them to its neighbors while another one who can’t even get them to their own people are offering them to countries who they know will get them elsewhere long before they can actually deliver them?

    Russia have a very effective vaccine, but limited supply, same as everyone. But they do sense an opportunity to sow discord in the eu.


  • #7474
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don’t get your point. A country than has vaccines it’s not using is giving them to its neighbors while another one who can’t even get them to their own people are offering them to countries who they know will get them elsewhere long before they can actually deliver them?

    Russia have a very effective vaccine, but limited supply, same as everyone. But they do sense an opportunity to sow discord in the eu.

    Fair enough. The EU is doing a good enough job of that itself. The auld astra isn't working distraction is wearing thin.

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  • #7475
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So now I have blood on my hands?

    F*ck you. I lost my mother-in-law to this virus.

    Absolute scumbag.

    Not you ? Why would I say you have blood on your hands


  • #7476
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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  • #7477
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Not you ? Why would I say you have blood on your hands

    Fair enough, I apologise.

    Nonetheless, you rhetoric about people like me working for NPHET and being ‘worried’ for me is more sh*tposting. You know nothing about me, but you make assumptions about me.


  • #7478
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So now I have blood on my hands?

    F*ck you. I lost my mother-in-law to this virus.

    Absolute scumbag.

    That explains a lot when assessing how you approach this pandemic. I'm sorry for your loss but you've let that cloud your judgement (I've lost family too so don't proclaim me a scumbag)


  • #7479
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Fair enough, I apologise.

    Nonetheless, you rhetoric about people like me working for NPHET and being ‘worried’ for me is more sh*tposting. You know nothing about me, but you make assumptions about me.

    Don't think it too personal . We are just anonymous strangers on the internet . I am sorry for your loss though .

    NPHET and the government failed us from the very start . Their failure to do anything to protect nursing / care homes at the start was inhumane

    The list is very long where I feel they have been a a disgrace but everyone has a right to disagree I suppose


  • #7480
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Monster249 wrote: »
    That explains a lot when assessing how you approach this pandemic. I'm sorry for your loss but you've let that cloud your judgement (I've lost family too so don't proclaim me a scumbag)

    So you get to make assumptions about me as well?

    You’re happy opening up despite what happened at Christmas, I’m not.

    I’m using my experience because I don’t want other families to go through it. There was more than six cases in the family at the time and three people brought to hospital.

    So yeah, my judgement is ‘clouded’.

    Why do you get to make any assumption about me when you know nothing?


  • #7481
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you get to make assumptions about me as well?

    You’re happy opening up despite what happened at Christmas, I’m not.

    I’m using my experience because I don’t want other families to go through it. There was more than six cases in the family at the time and three people brought to hospital.

    So yeah, my judgement is ‘clouded’.

    Why do you get to make any assumption about me when you know f*ck all?

    You've admitted you're letting your personal experience tailor your opinion on what we should do as a country, that is dangerous and wrong. I'm not making any assumptions, you've literally just admitted that.


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  • #7482
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Seriously spot the odd one out. Kids absolutely need to be back in school but they need to do this in the context of an airborne pathogen. #openthewindows

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  • #7483
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Monster249 wrote: »
    You've admitted you're letting your personal experience tailor your opinion on what we should do as a country, that is dangerous and wrong. I'm not making any assumptions, you've literally just admitted that.

    Excuse me?

    I have an opinion, and I use what I know to form that opinion, just like you do yours.

    I responded to a post where I misread someone saying I had blood on my hands.

    Now my thoughts are dangerous and wrong?

    What are my thoughts, exactly?


  • #7484
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Excuse me?

    I have an opinion, and I use what I know to form that opinion, just like you do yours.

    I responded to a post where I misread someone saying I had blood on my hands.

    Now my thoughts are dangerous and wrong?

    What are my thoughts, exactly?

    I said letting personal experience tailor an opinion on what the rest of the population should do is dangerous, if the policy makers done this it would be absolutely disasterous.

    I have nothing to do with the other post. Like I said I've lost family too but I'm not advocating a perpetual lockdown so others don't have to deal with a relatives death because of Covid, that's out of touch with reality.


  • #7485
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Has anyone ever asked themselves the question as to why Russian diplomats are going around the world offering everyone vaccines, when in Russia itself they have administered less than 50% of the vaccines per 100k that the eu has.

    It’s almost as if it’s a coordinated campaign to spread misinformation and sow discord

    The West, Russia and China all want to give surplus vaccines away to less fortunate countries. So they don't lose influence in that region or to gain influence in that region. They've all said as much. It is a sad indictment on the world that that is the main reason and not just to help people.


  • #7486
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I said letting personal experience tailor an opinion on what the rest of the population should do is dangerous, if the policy makers done this it would be absolutely disasterous.

    I have nothing to do with the other post. Like I said I've lost family too but I'm not advocating a perpetual lockdown so others don't have to deal with a relatives death because of Covid, that's out of touch with reality.

    And you are letting your personal experience tailor your opinion, in that you don’t think your personal experience matters.

    That is ‘dangerous’ and ‘wrong’ to use your logic.

    Everyone uses their personal experiences to tailor their opinions on this, whether you know someone has died or not.

    I also asked you what my thoughts and opinions are about this and you haven’t answered.

    Are you assuming I’m advocating a perpetual lockdown?


  • #7487
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,859 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Alan Kelly becoming a rational figure in all of this, on Six One repeatedly criticising the lack of urgency in Government chasing up vaccine procurement. Need more dissenting voices to challenge the status quo, as the narrative in the media has been overly fawning of NPHET and the government.

    Anyone who thinks Alan Kelly is rational figure at any time needs to ...look at the teeny tiny flats being built that are priced as 1 bed apartments but cost as much as penthouses in Central London :rolleyes:

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  • #7488
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Faugheen wrote: »
    And you are letting your personal experience tailor your opinion, in that you don’t think your personal experience matters.

    That is ‘dangerous’ and ‘wrong’ to use your logic.

    Everyone uses their personal experiences to tailor their opinions on this, whether you know someone has died or not.

    I also asked you what my thoughts and opinions are about this and you haven’t answered.

    Policy should be guided by objective matters, not subjective, that's literally what the scientific method is, using evidence to support something rather than personal experience.

    You're proposing to use subjective evidence to back up decisions which isn't the way the world works thankfully. You're not comprehending what I'm saying so we can end the conversation here.

    It's clear you sit on the ultra-conservative side of the argument (in agreemnent with perpetual lockdowns, etc.) - if I'm wrong I apologize but that's what your posts indicate.


  • #7489
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,416 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    The West, Russia and China all want to give surplus vaccines away to less fortunate countries. So they don't lose influence in that region or to gain influence in that region. They've all said as much. It is a sad indictment on the world that that is the main reason and not just to help people.

    ...........or to stop new variants from appearing?


  • #7490
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,024 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    It is 100% the reason that Ireland isn’t running after it. Ireland is a US ally and they won’t want to upset Joe in the White House after him calling Putin a ‘killer’ recently.

    I’d say the reason we aren’t running after it is that it doesn’t exist in mass quantities. It has said many times we should pay whatever anyone wants for vaccines as it is cheaper than the mess the economy is in. That holds true in Russia too, if they had buckets of vaccines, why wouldn’t they give it to their own people first. Their rollout is half the EUs and the EU is a laughing stock.


  • #7491
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Monster249 wrote: »
    It's clear you sit on the ultra-conservative side of the argument (in agreemnent with perpetual lockdowns, etc.) - if I'm wrong I apologize but that's what your posts indicate.

    Nope, I’ve been responding to the large amounts of misinformation and hysteria from people here, especially aimed at Ronan Glynn.

    I’m not ‘in agreement’ with any lockdown. I’m stuck in the house with a wife and daughter. I want to go back to the pub.

    I’ve accepted the need for it, very reluctantly up to this point. My patience is waning. What people fail to realise is this ‘NPHET runs the country’ nonsense stems from the fact that the government refuses to engage with them, at all. Look at the briefings, Boris Johnson or Matt Hancock appear with the CMO every week and it becomes a full government briefing.

    Look at ours in comparison, where Ronan Glynn talks about a cautious approach and people doing a little more, and then Micheal Martin doesn’t want to talk about easing restrictions. Which comment has garnered more attention? The one from a civil servant who by his own admission tonight is exhausted, or the Taoiseach who is leading a government that is hanging them out to dry? Leo Varadkar’s Claire Byrne appearance confirmed beyond anything else that the two aren’t working together.

    I could make a judgement that your opinion of NPHET has clouded the fact that the government have made little to no effort to properly engage with NPHET and is letting someone who isn’t a media operator take all the flak.


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  • #7492
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Alan Kelly becoming a rational figure in all of this, on Six One repeatedly criticising the lack of urgency in Government chasing up vaccine procurement. Need more dissenting voices to challenge the status quo, as the narrative in the media has been overly fawning of NPHET and the government.

    Alan Kelly needs to be pulled aside and someone needs to whisper in his ear that Biden told MM there was 0 chance of Ireland being given access to the US AZ stockpile right now.


  • #7493
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Alan Kelly just looking for headlines i think


  • #7494
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Nope, I’ve been responding to the large amounts of misinformation and hysteria from people here, especially aimed at Ronan Glynn.

    I’m not ‘in agreement’ with any lockdown. I’m stuck in the house with a wife and daughter. I want to go back to the pub.

    I’ve accepted the need for it, very reluctantly up to this point. My patience is waning. What people fail to realise is this ‘NPHET runs the country’ nonsense stems from the fact that the government refuses to engage with them, at all. Look at the briefings, Boris Johnson or Matt Hancock appear with the CMO every week and it becomes a full government briefing.

    Look at ours in comparison, where Ronan Glynn talks about a cautious approach and people doing a little more, and then Micheal Martin doesn’t want to talk about easing restrictions. Which comment has garnered more attention? The one from a civil servant who by his own admission tonight is exhausted, or the Taoiseach who is leading a government that is hanging them out to dry? Leo Varadkar’s Claire Byrne appearance confirmed beyond anything else that the two aren’t working together.

    I could make a judgement that your opinion of NPHET has clouded the fact that the government have made little to no effort to properly engage with NPHET and is letting someone who isn’t a media operator take all the flak.

    I agree with nearly all of that . I'm on record on this thread of our government being a disgrace and non existent and cowardly hiding behind Ronan Glynn

    However that doesn't mean NPHET don't have questions to answer either . I genuinely struggle to understand some of the decisions they made since March last year .


  • #7495
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Nope, I’ve been responding to the large amounts of misinformation and hysteria from people here, especially aimed at Ronan Glynn.

    I’m not ‘in agreement’ with any lockdown. I’m stuck in the house with a wife and daughter. I want to go back to the pub.

    I’ve accepted the need for it, very reluctantly up to this point. My patience is waning. What people fail to realise is this ‘NPHET runs the country’ nonsense stems from the fact that the government refuses to engage with them, at all. Look at the briefings, Boris Johnson or Matt Hancock appear with the CMO every week and it becomes a full government briefing.

    Look at ours in comparison, where Ronan Glynn talks about a cautious approach and people doing a little more, and then Micheal Martin doesn’t want to talk about easing restrictions. Which comment has garnered more attention? The one from a civil servant who by his own admission tonight is exhausted, or the Taoiseach who is leading a government that is hanging them out to dry? Leo Varadkar’s Claire Byrne appearance confirmed beyond anything else that the two aren’t working together.

    I could make a judgement that your opinion of NPHET has clouded the fact that the government have made little to no effort to properly engage with NPHET and is letting someone who isn’t a media operator take all the flak.

    I'm not against NPHET, they're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. It's the Government hiding in the back and pinning everything on NPHET that I find disgusting. We probably agree on most things so apologies for misconstruing your position.


  • #7496
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Sweet.Science wrote: »

    Honestly unless desperate who would take the AZ vaccine at this stage


    Jaysus wept

    There's - literally - a one in a million chance of something going wrong with it

    To put that in perspective, there's a 1 in 500,000 chance of being struck by lightning in the United States (as per this CDC article https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html)

    You have twice the chance of being struck by lightning as you do from dying from AZ

    There's no denying AZ are a very shady bunch when it comes to business practices, but I'll take my chances with their vaccine


  • #7497
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,285 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Jaysus wept

    There's - literally - a one in a million chance of something going wrong with it

    To put that in perspective, there's a 1 in 500,000 chance of being struck by lightning in the United States (as per this CDC article https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html)

    You have twice the chance of being struck by lightning as you do from dying from AZ

    There's no denying AZ are a very shady bunch when it comes to business practices, but I'll take my chances with their vaccine

    I have to say if I was offered AZ in the morning I would jump on it
    But if someone put two vaccines on a table and asked me to pick one of my choice I would definitely choose Pfizer .
    Beggers can’t be choosers so my guess is I will get AZ and will be grateful for it but it wouldn’t be my first choice


  • #7498
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Just give me that J&J vaccine.

    I would take AZ if it was offered but you just know there’s going to be a supply problem around the time people are due their second doses in 12 weeks.

    At least with J&J you’re one and done.


  • #7499
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Thank you.

    I disagree with your interpretation of what is meant by what's in that report.

    They are outlining a scenario where potentially Covid AND other respiratory illnesses - common cold etc - could be circulation simultaneously next Winter - that's why they refer to a double pressure on the health service. They aren't talking about a regular cold and flu season.

    It's a possibility it could happen - they're just stating that. They aren't claiming that it absolutely will and they certainly aren't saying that restrictions etc will be in place if it were a normal cold and flu season.

    I had another read. Yes I agree with your interpretation. It makes far more sense than the idea of NPHET recommending a shut down based only run of the mill flu season.


  • #7500
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I have to say if I was offered AZ in the morning I would jump on it
    But if someone put two vaccines on a table and asked me to pick one of my choice I would definitely choose Pfizer .
    Beggers can’t be choosers so my guess is I will get AZ and will be grateful for it but it wouldn’t be my first choice


    Exact same here

    Pfizer is my aim, but I think I'll be offered AZ. And I'll take it too

    There needs to be a better campaign done by HSE and GPs etc to stress this "one in a million" statistic

    So, so much damage was done with the shutdown of AZ for a few days

    It was great to see the HSE taking caution, but it gave anti vaxxer gobshítes on social media so much ammunition

    They've gone full "see Mary? I told ya so! Not takin' any bleedin' of them now"


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  • #7501
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Nope, I’ve been responding to the large amounts of misinformation and hysteria from people here, especially aimed at Ronan Glynn.

    I’m not ‘in agreement’ with any lockdown. I’m stuck in the house with a wife and daughter. I want to go back to the pub.

    I’ve accepted the need for it, very reluctantly up to this point. My patience is waning. What people fail to realise is this ‘NPHET runs the country’ nonsense stems from the fact that the government refuses to engage with them, at all. Look at the briefings, Boris Johnson or Matt Hancock appear with the CMO every week and it becomes a full government briefing.

    Look at ours in comparison, where Ronan Glynn talks about a cautious approach and people doing a little more, and then Micheal Martin doesn’t want to talk about easing restrictions. Which comment has garnered more attention? The one from a civil servant who by his own admission tonight is exhausted, or the Taoiseach who is leading a government that is hanging them out to dry? Leo Varadkar’s Claire Byrne appearance confirmed beyond anything else that the two aren’t working together.

    I could make a judgement that your opinion of NPHET has clouded the fact that the government have made little to no effort to properly engage with NPHET and is letting someone who isn’t a media operator take all the flak.

    A well articulated comment.

    But on the counter argument, NPHET and its members aren’t exactly camera shy and they did advise government last year on what their remit should entail.

    They obviously agreed to the daily press conference last Spring and, at the time of course, they faced no criticism.

    The sum total of their living with Covid advice since last August appears to be additional mitigation measures to level 5 and tweets from their social media accounts

    Unfortunately for NPHET, they are fast becoming proof of the saying “You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”


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