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The prom (COVID closed 31 March 2020, reopened 18 May)

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  • #552
    [Deleted User]
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    The council are going to close the closed car parks just to be sure to be sure.

    https://twitter.com/GalwayCityCo/status/1369578855980208135?s=19


  • #553
    Storm 10
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The council are going to close the closed car parks just to be sure to be sure.

    https://twitter.com/GalwayCityCo/status/1369578855980208135?s=19

    You have to laugh at that do they not realise they barricaded them closed months ago. Only in Galway 🀣🀣


  • #554
    [Deleted User]
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    beardybrewer wrote: »
    Wait why are you guys in favour of taking away one of the few free places to park again? Is that seriously what Salthill needs in the long term once we're past the pandemic?

    Unbelievable really.

    And nonsense suggestions that the money would be ring fenced.

    I suppose it would be similar to a toll bridge that lasts a set amount of years, which always continues since said councils cant give up the revenue stream.
    People are very gullible if they think that could happen.


  • #555
    ?Cee?view
    Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Would be interested to hear from sceptics to cycling infrastructure in Salthill on this...

    Segregated cycling through Salthill would (IMO) create a great safe route connecting residential areas with Galway City and also Salthill.

    Given a fixed width to allow for pedestrians, on-street parking and all the traffic lanes. What % do you think would be fair and appropriate to be dedicated to segregated cycling infrastructure?

    Remove some of the parking on the prom side of the road. Use that space and some of the footpath space for segregated cycling lanes.

    Provide car parking on the other side of the road.

    Provide regularly spaced zebra crossings along the prom directing cars and bicycles in the cycle lane to stop for pedestrian.


  • #556
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    That's exactly what's being requested by the cycling groups! It makes lots of sense. Glad there's common ground.


  • #557
    ?Cee?view
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's exactly what's being requested by the cycling groups! It makes lots of sense. Glad there's common ground.

    I've not seen any of those propose that parking for cars be provided on the other side of the road, but if that is the case, then that's great. The cycling groups in general tend to want to suit themselves to the detriment of other roads users, so if they're changing their approach, that's to be welcomed and they'll get far more support.


  • #558
    what_traffic
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    The beauty of removing all the car parking along the Prom side - is that would have a Sea view when driving or cycling beside the Prom as well.
    Would imagine that would appeal to some posters here like ?Cee?view! :D


  • #559
    ?Cee?view
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    The beauty of removing all the car parking along the Prom side - is that would have a Sea view when driving or cycling beside the Prom as well.
    Would imagine that would appeal to some posters here like ?Cee?view! :D

    Nice One :D


  • #560
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    ?Cee?view wrote: »
    The cycling groups in general tend to want to suit themselves to the detriment of other roads users, so if they're changing their approach, that's to be welcomed and they'll get far more support.

    I think what they want is a better balance, sometimes that means other modes giving up some space to achieve a better share of limited space.

    See here;

    https://twitter.com/GalwayUrban/status/1369377553706803202?s=19

    https://twitter.com/robertburns73/status/1356374880808292353?s=19


  • #561
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    what_traffic wrote: »
    The beauty of removing all the car parking along the Prom side - is that would have a Sea view when driving or cycling beside the Prom as well.
    Would imagine that would appeal to some posters here like ?Cee?view! :D

    I think it should be the other way around: put the cycle lane on the opposite side, and the parking on the sea side.

    Rationale: many people drive elderly relatives sho aren't that mobile there to look at the sea. If they get out of the vehicle at all, it takes space. Some just look. Seaside parking facilitates this.

    Whereas the vast majority of two -wheelers / bicycles are single occupancy, so their drivers shouldn't be looking anywhere but the road, ie they aren't going to see the view. And having them on the other side reduced their interaction with pedestrians.


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  • #562
    ?Cee?view
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think what they want is a better balance, sometimes that means other modes giving up some space to achieve a better share of limited space.

    See here;

    https://twitter.com/GalwayUrban/status/1369377553706803202?s=19

    https://twitter.com/robertburns73/status/1356374880808292353?s=19

    Agreed, that looks great, but then some idiot responds to them:

    "Coastal cycleway please but leave out the parking. No need for parking if we can cycle safely" - if the Groups can move away from this mé féiner attitude, they will succeed. Unfortunately I think there are still a lot of selfish people such as this guy who only think of themslves as cyclists/drivers/pedestrians/ whatever, and don't care a whit about others whose circumstances are different.


  • #563
    what_traffic
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Rationale: many people drive elderly relatives sho aren't that mobile there to look at the sea. If they get out of the vehicle at all, it takes space. Some just look. Seaside parking facilitates this.

    Thats what the car park on the prom (Upper Salthill Road) should be used for. It would be facilitating these users comfortably.


  • #564
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    ?Cee?view wrote: »
    Agreed, that looks great, but then some idiot responds to them:

    "Coastal cycleway please but leave out the parking. No need for parking if we can cycle safely" - if the Groups can move away from this mé féiner attitude, they will succeed. Unfortunately I think there are still a lot of selfish people such as this guy who only think of themslves as cyclists/drivers/pedestrians/ whatever, and don't care a whit about others whose circumstances are different.

    I think you get an element with that attitude on all sides unfortunately.


  • #565
    what_traffic
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    From engineering viewpoint it is far far easier on the seaside to provide a two way cycle path- no junctions to negotiate along the route.
    No crossing of vehicular traffic occurs on the 2-way cycle path itself on the Prom side.
    From a "safety viewpoint" it makes far more sense as well.
    From South Park to Blackrock - I count 19 junctions.
    As a car driver would prefer this option, the car traffic snarl ups of having to cross a 2-way cycle path could be immense along a short route that has 19 junctions.


  • #566
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    I think it should be the other way around: put the cycle lane on the opposite side, and the parking on the sea side.

    Rationale: many people drive elderly relatives sho aren't that mobile there to look at the sea. If they get out of the vehicle at all, it takes space. Some just look. Seaside parking facilitates this.

    Whereas the vast majority of two -wheelers / bicycles are single occupancy, so their drivers shouldn't be looking anywhere but the road, ie they aren't going to see the view. And having them on the other side reduced their interaction with pedestrians.
    There would be a dozen or so car entrances or junctions between the roundabouts on the prom to put this on the land side.

    What proportion of parked cars might have people out for a look? It really would be a very specific demographic to prioritise. How would you balance that against say me and my family out for a drive having our view blocked by potentially occupied parked cars.


  • #567
    Frozen Veg
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    The infrastructure for the whole amenity is completely lacking.

    Blackrock is a potential gold mine for Galway. There is no parking there and public transport options are pathetic.

    So much potential for small coffee shops and pop ups but no options down at the end of the prom at all. Not saying it should become overrun by commercial businesses but there should be small local food and drink options there for tourists.

    City council really need to get their act together.


  • #568
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    The prom has gone green for the next few days...

    https://twitter.com/ZhangChaosheng/status/1370878735319236613?s=19

    https://twitter.com/GalwayPlayer/status/1370826023479181319?s=19

    Anyone know are those new prom lights some type of RGB LED or did they just put a filter over them?


  • #569
    saabsaab
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    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    The infrastructure for the whole amenity is completely lacking.

    Blackrock is a potential gold mine for Galway. There is no parking there and public transport options are pathetic.

    So much potential for small coffee shops and pop ups but no options down at the end of the prom at all. Not saying it should become overrun by commercial businesses but there should be small local food and drink options there for tourists.

    City council really need to get their act together.


    It been let run down over many years. Let them look at Lahinch to see how it could be done.


  • #570
    Frozen Veg
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    It been let run down over many years. Let them look at Lahinch to see how it could be done.

    Is there such thing as a strategic plan for the city? What it's supposed to look like in 20 or 50 years time?

    I feel the city as a whole is only reaching a fraction of its potential due to poor infrastructure. City Council are holding it back big time.


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  • #571
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    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    Is there such thing as a strategic plan for the city? What it's supposed to look like in 20 or 50 years time?

    I don't know if there's a long-term plan but a public consultation on the Galway City Development Plan 2023-2029 ended last week.


  • #572
    Mrs OBumble
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    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    I feel the city as a whole is only reaching a fraction of its potential due to poor infrastructure. City Council are holding it back big time.

    The council can only do what they can afford to do. Development at Salthill would be at the expense of the city-centre, and in a time of rising sea levels planning should be starting towards managed retreat from the coastline, not increased development there.


  • #573
    saabsaab
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The council can only do what they can afford to do. Development at Salthill would be at the expense of the city-centre, and in a time of rising sea levels planning should be starting towards managed retreat from the coastline, not increased development there.


    Good point about the rising sea levels but that will affect much of the city too. I wonder where the money spend in the city has gone? It isn't visible in improvements.


  • #574
    zell12
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  • #575
    saabsaab
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    zell12 wrote: »
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    Scary stuff, wont help property prices in those areas.


  • #576
    Frozen Veg
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    zell12 wrote: »
    qHHD7fm.png

    Are we saying Salthill is going to be under water so therefore there shouldn't be any infrastructural developments there?


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  • #577
    ratracer
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The prom has gone green for the next few days...

    https://twitter.com/ZhangChaosheng/status/1370878735319236613?s=19

    https://twitter.com/GalwayPlayer/status/1370826023479181319?s=19

    Anyone know are those new prom lights some type of RGB LED or did they just put a filter over them?

    I seen these lights for the first time last night, and although they are a nice attraction, they really remove so much light along the prom that I would describe them as dangerous! Have a look at the difference in ambient light along Grattan Road or Salthill village and you’ll see what I’m talking about.


  • #578
    saabsaab
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    Frozen Veg wrote: »
    Are we saying Salthill is going to be under water so therefore there shouldn't be any infrastructural developments there?


    Diving boards, marinas and floating hotels?


  • #579
    charlie_says
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    zell12 wrote: »
    qHHD7fm.png

    lol


  • #580
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    ratracer wrote: »
    I seen these lights for the first time last night, and although they are a nice attraction, they really remove so much light along the prom that I would describe them as dangerous! Have a look at the difference in ambient light along Grattan Road or Salthill village and you’ll see what I’m talking about.

    Yeah saw them in person last night. Very dark alright. Also it seemed the LEDs themselves can be set green rather than a filter. Maybe flashing red when there's a coastal weather or flood warning? :-)


  • #581
    Zzippy
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    zell12 wrote: »
    qHHD7fm.png

    That shows a lot of land upstream of the weir flooded. Land that has not flooded since the weir was built. It would take a sea level rise of several meters to flood above the weir, in which case a lot more of Galway city would be uninhabitable.


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  • #582
    saabsaab
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    That shows a lot of land upstream of the weir flooded. Land that has not flooded since the weir was built. It would take a sea level rise of several meters to flood above the weir, in which case a lot more of Galway city would be uninhabitable.


    If the heavy rain couldn't flow to sea as easily then it could back up?


  • #583
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    We're thinking of investing in a seaside property in Tirellan before the prices soar.


  • #584
    JohnCleary
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah saw them in person last night. Very dark alright. Also it seemed the LEDs themselves can be set green rather than a filter. Maybe flashing red when there's a coastal weather or flood warning? :-)

    The LED's are still white, you could see the white through some of the cover / filter on some of them.


  • #585
    Zzippy
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    If the heavy rain couldn't flow to sea as easily then it could back up?

    No. The sea would have to rise several metres before there would be no gradient or fall at the weir, at which point water might start to back up. Even in a big flood coinciding with a high tide if you stand and watch the weir you will see the difference in height.


  • #586
    what_traffic
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    That shows a lot of land upstream of the weir flooded. Land that has not flooded since the weir was built.
    Was the Dyke on the Dyke Road built around same time?

    I remember doing a local Castle tour around Menlo/Headford with a local historian a few years ago and he was telling us that the Corrib River went as far inland as Castlegar Castle - which does correlate to the above Map that zell12 posts.


  • #587
    Zzippy
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    what_traffic wrote: »
    Was the Dyke on the Dyke Road built around same time?

    I remember doing a local Castle tour around Menlo/Headford with a local historian a few years ago and he was telling us that the Corrib River went as far inland as Castlegar Castle - which does correlate to the above Map that zell12 posts.

    The weir was built to regulate the level of Lough Corrib, and obviously the river. Before the drainage works, there would have been significant winter flooding upstream and around the Corrib alright, but the weir now allows the OPW to maintain the lake between specified levels to prevent flooding. Even in the 2009 flood which was exceptional the lake didn't get high enough to flood that area.


  • #588
    Bobeagleburger
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    We should be investing in boat taxis rather than bus corridors/ ring roads.


  • #589
    saabsaab
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    6 wrote: »
    We should be investing in boat taxis rather than bus corridors/ ring roads.


    Galway the new Venice? Ca bhfuil mo Gondola?


  • #590
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    6 wrote: »
    We should be investing in boat taxis rather than bus corridors/ ring roads.

    It was tried... The Ballyvaughan Bay Hop fast ferry service between Galway and Clare.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?t=2057010992


  • #591
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Galway the new Venice? Ca bhfuil mo Gondola?

    That's all very well, but who's going to feed it?


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  • #592
    zell12
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    There was about ten cars in the main car park opposite Eglinton Hotel this afternoon and a garda was trying to get them moved out or something
    How did the cars get in? Was the car park opened at any point?


  • #593
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    zell12 wrote: »
    There was about ten cars in the main car park opposite Eglinton Hotel this afternoon and a garda was trying to get them moved out or something
    How did the cars get in? Was the car park opened at any point?

    They probably moved the cones. There's a line of cars parked up at the cones at CoCo cafe every morning and the cones are being removed all the time outside Ground & Co.


  • #594
    saabsaab
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    Could they tow them away? or Clamp


  • #595
    39steps
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    The carpark is officially opened for elderly patients receiving Covid vaccine at GP practice (Maretimo Medical) across the road. I used it when bringing my Dad there this week.


  • #596
    wily minx
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    Pretty sure there's a sign saying vaccination centre parking there, for the medical centre near the Eglinton. Perhaps they were policing that.


  • #597
    zell12
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    There appears to be a new concrete seafront plaza in Salthill, opposite the cinema.
    Full of kids playing, buskers, even people dancing in the glorious sunshine
    It used to be a storage space for private property, imagine that.


  • #598
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    Better fill it with cars before people start drinking and pissing everywhere.


  • #599
    Mrs OBumble
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    zell12 wrote: »
    There appears to be a new concrete seafront plaza in Salthill, opposite the cinema.
    Full of kids playing, buskers, even people dancing in the glorious sunshine
    It used to be a storage space for private property, imagine that.

    Under current regulations, citizens can meet with people from ONE other household.

    So I'm not sure how a party plaza is justified.

    'Twould be far better if they were spread out the length of the beach.


  • #600
    saabsaab
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Better fill it with cars before people start drinking and pissing everywhere.


    Toilets?


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  • #601
    zell12
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