Who thinks Trump will win?

perrito caliente · 30-10-2020 10:10pm

Wow. Always loved Greenwald. He is a bad ass and a good man to default to as a first point of refence on many topics. Did I hear Tucker apologise at the end?!

gmisk · 30-10-2020 10:34pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Isn't Miami supposed to be a Democrat city?

You'd wonder will the massive, unprecedented army of 2.5 million Trump volunteers that have been hard at work for months now, canvassing, knocking on over 12,000,000 doors in vital swing states, collecting data, registering first time voters (who don't get polled), analyzing the voting tendencies of attendees at rallies will pay off!!!

I don't believe their figures but if they are half right about the amount of attendees that identify as Democrats attending the rallies this will be an interesting few days!!!!

They obviously haven't been that hard at work...less than 5 doors knocked on each....

Silentcorner · 30-10-2020 10:36pm

gmisk wrote: »

They obviously haven't been that hard at work...less than 5 doors knocked on each....

Eh...that is 12,000,000 in swing states...they are on the ground all over the country targeting unregistered voters, who do not show up in polls by the way.

gmisk · 30-10-2020 10:38pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Eh...that is 12,000,000 in swing states...they are on the ground all over the country targeting unregistered voters, who do not show up in polls by the way.

Zero craic

Pa ElGrande · 30-10-2020 10:41pm

astrofool wrote: »

Well of course they would. They said they had the evidence, yet they have released nothing, it's an embarrassment of an attempt at a story, and it's an embarrassment at the faux outrage of a "cover up". It's completely pathetic, and anyone still trying to big it up after tuckers on air meltdown is a completely pathetic loser.

The problem is the mainstream media is trying to obfuscate with a claim that the Ukranian prosecutor Viktor Shokin was not investigating Burisma and its owner and this is evidently false. Mr. Shokin as state prosecutor had confiscated four large houses and a luxury car of Burisma owner Mr. Mykola Zlochevsky just ten days before then vice prosident Joe Biden started to press for his firing. Joe Biden is on video bragging about this, and somehow the email outlining what is expected of Hunter Biden in the lead up to that. The investigation in Mr. Zlochevsky was dropped soon after the prosecutor was fired. The Bidens have not been able to deny the authenticity of the emails orthat a meeting took place with the vice-president and a Burisma manager.

astrofool · 30-10-2020 10:46pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The problem is the mainstream media is trying to obfuscate with a claim that the Ukranian prosecutor Viktor Shokin was not investigating Burisma and its owner and this is evidently false. Mr. Shokin as state prosecutor had confiscated four large houses and a luxury car of Burisma owner Mr. Mykola Zlochevsky just ten days before then vice prosident Joe Biden started to press for his firing. Joe Biden is on video bragging about this, and somehow the email outlining what is expected of Hunter Biden in the lead up to that. The investigation in Mr. Zlochevsky was dropped soon after the prosecutor was fired. The Bidens have not been able to deny the authenticity of the emails orthat a meeting took place with the vice-president and a Burisma manager.

A REPUBLICAN committee cleared Biden, the attempt to resurface it via missing evidence (that they claim they had), and then pointing at the mean media for not talking about it is absolutely pathetic.

Fox and NYP are also mainstream and covering it, no one else will touch it because it's a big bag of baloney with a side filling of horse manure. It's not a cover up because there's a big fat ZERO to cover up.

duploelabs · 30-10-2020 10:48pm

gmisk wrote: »

They obviously haven't been that hard at work...less than 5 doors knocked on each....

Shhh, you know the trumpettes aren't good with maths and percentages. Don't mock the poor fools

Pa ElGrande · 30-10-2020 10:49pm

Positive Trump polls spark polling circle debate

Democrats Increasingly Worried Minnesota Could Flip for President Trump

https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1321946313563508737

‘People Are Going To Be Shocked’: Return of the ‘Shy’ Trump Voter?

Robert Cahaly, the Trafalgar Group: Well first, we don’t do national polls, and that’s for the same reason I don’t keep up with hits in a baseball game: It’s an irrelevant statistic. But the battleground-state polls are a little closer [than the national polls], and there’s a lot at play. People are going to be shocked. A lot of people are going to vote this year who have been dormant or low-propensity voters. I think it’s going to be at an all-time high.

The models of who’s going to turn out this year are very flawed. What type of person comes out for Trump? They’re not a normal election participant. They’re a low-propensity voter. We included them in all of our surveys in fall 2016, and we are including them now.

source

Biden is defending territory that has not voted Republican since 1972 and US senator Amy Klobuchar (D) is telling Democrat voters to vote in person or carry their ballots to the polling station. That is not a good omen for Democrats.

Inquitus · 30-10-2020 10:55pm

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

You'd be wrong on that one... very wrong.

People will be voting on who they think is the best person to bring that economic prosperity back. That person is clearly Trump...

It's certainly not Bumbling Biden, who is going to tax the fcuk out of everyone and tear down the highly lucrative energy industry piece by piece if he gets in.

And the China plague was not Trump's fault... so people know that the economic situation was largely out of his hands. Just like everyone else that was hit with this virus. And the early growth numbers for the economy look really good, even with certain states not fully playing ball.

So, with all of that and the huge amount of positive rhetoric that he is sending out to the people about the future... it's a no brainer. Trump2020!!

Thankfully the American people disagree with you and polling shows that they trust Biden more than Trump on the economy as it stands.

Trump is full of shít, he claimed that China has paid billions in tariffs, as anyone with half a brain knows the people buying the goods pay the tariffs not the people manufacturing them in China. That's just one example of his lies around the economy and his impact on it.

Outlaw Pete · 30-10-2020 10:57pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Truth bombs from Greenwald. Many who watch this will never understand it!

Oh, they understand it alright - they're just happy about it, that's why they won't speak out against it.

Yesterday Twitter even locked out the CBP Chief for daring to the tell the truth about what a success Trump's border wall has been:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gSlTLAm6U

Pa ElGrande · 30-10-2020 11:04pm

astrofool wrote: »

A REPUBLICAN committee cleared Biden, the attempt to resurface it via missing evidence (that they claim they had), and then pointing at the mean media for not talking about it is absolutely pathetic.

Fox and NYP are also mainstream and covering it, no one else will touch it because it's a big bag of baloney with a side filling of horse manure. It's not a cover up because there's a big fat ZERO to cover up.

Here is the timeline for American vice-presidents Joe Bidens actions.

Feb. 12: Biden spoke to Poroshenko by phone. “The two leaders agreed on the importance of unity among Ukrainian political forces to quickly pass reforms in line with the commitments in its IMF program, including measures focused on rooting out corruption,” the White House said.

Feb. 16: Poroshenko announced he had asked Shokin to resign. [...]

Feb. 18: Another call took place between Biden and Poroshenko. [...]

Feb. 19: Poroshenko announced he has received Shokin’s resignation letter. It still required parliamentary approval, and Shokin did not go away quietly.

That same day, Biden spoke separately to Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. [...]

March 16: Reports emerged that Shokin was back at work after having been on vacation. [...]

March 22: Biden and Poroshenko spoke again by phone [...]

March 29: The Ukrainian parliament, in a 289-to-6 vote, approved Shokin’s dismissal.

On March 31, Poroshenko met with Biden during a trip to Washington, and Biden emphasized that the loan guarantee was contingent on further reform progress beyond Shokin’s removal.

On April 14, Biden and Poroshenko had another call. Biden congratulated the president on his new cabinet and “stressed the urgency of putting in place a new Prosecutor General [...]

May 12: Poroshenko nominated Yuriy Lutsenko as the new prosecutor general.

On May 13, in a phone call, Biden told Poroshenko he welcomed Lutsenko’s appointment [...]

source

and

On February 4 2016 Interfax-Ukraine reported:

The movable and immovable property of former Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevsky in Ukraine has been seized, according to the press service of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine (PGO).

"The PGO filed a petition to court to arrest the property of the ex-Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources of Ukraine, the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Mykola Zlochevsky, from which arrest was withdrawn, and other property he actually uses, namely housing estate with a total area of 922 square meters, a land plot of 0.24 hectares, a garden house with a total area of 299.8 square meters, a garden house in the territory of Vyshgorod district, a garden house of 2,312 square meters, a land plot of 0.0394 hectares, a Rolls-Royce Phantom car, a Knott 924-5014 trainer," reads the report.

The PGO clarifies that the court satisfied the petition on February 2, 2016.
...
Zlochevsky is suspected of committing a criminal offense under Part 3 of Article 368-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (illicit enrichment).

On February 2 Shokin confiscated four large houses Zlochevsky owned plus a Rolls-Royce Phantom and a "Knott 924-5014 trainer". (Anyone know what that is?)

Ten days later Biden goes into overdrive to get him fired. Within one week he personally calls Poroshenko three times with only one major aim: to get Shokin fired.

source

Outlaw Pete · 30-10-2020 11:09pm

astrofool wrote: »

A REPUBLICAN committee cleared Biden, the attempt to resurface it via missing evidence (that they claim they had), and then pointing at the mean media for not talking about it is absolutely pathetic.

You're conflating three different things to fashion an absurd narrative. Nobody has complained that the mainstream liberal media haven't talked about the missing (and now found) documents. There is more than enough damning evidence for the mainstream media to be reporting on what has gone on.

Fox and NYP are also mainstream and covering it, no one else will touch it because it's a big bag of baloney with a side filling of horse manure. It's not a cover up because there's a big fat ZERO to cover up.

So, you believe Tony Bobulinski lied to the FBI about meeting with Joe Biden about Hunter's business dealings in China?

Outlaw Pete · 30-10-2020 11:24pm

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The problem is the mainstream media is trying to obfuscate with a claim that the Ukranian prosecutor Viktor Shokin was not investigating Burisma and its owner and this is evidently false. Mr. Shokin as state prosecutor had confiscated four large houses and a luxury car of Burisma owner Mr. Mykola Zlochevsky just ten days before then vice prosident Joe Biden started to press for his firing. Joe Biden is on video bragging about this, and somehow the email outlining what is expected of Hunter Biden in the lead up to that. The investigation in Mr. Zlochevsky was dropped soon after the prosecutor was fired. The Bidens have not been able to deny the authenticity of the emails orthat a meeting took place with the vice-president and a Burisma manager.

We even have audio of Biden being told by the Ukraine President at the time, that they were happy with Shokin, supported him, felt he wasn't corrupt, and that he had done nothing wrong to warrant being removed, but that they had done so anyway to get the $1 Billion in aid they were promised ....... and Joe's response to that was: "Great".

Silentcorner · 30-10-2020 11:27pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

We even have audio of Biden being told by the Ukraine President at the time, that they were happy with Shokin, supported him, felt he wasn't corrupt, and that he had done nothing wrong to warrant being removed, but that they had done so anyway to get the $1 Billion in aid they were promised ....... and Joe's response to that was: "Great".

Ya but the Russians staged all that using body doubles...every one knows that!!!

patnor1011 · 30-10-2020 11:38pm

NSAman wrote: »

But yet, there he is, leading a country of this size. Voted for by the people of that country.

I meant the other guy.

patnor1011 · 30-10-2020 11:42pm

gmisk wrote: »

No we don't...
I could claim a "justice department official" is investigating Trump for eating the souls of children.
That is not a source you do understand that right?...

Lol suddenly it is not a source when most of what was alleged about Trump last 4 years was based on exactly that type of "sources".

Kermit.de.frog · 30-10-2020 11:52pm

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1322299788797173760

All but over on those figures. A nearly 20 point swing to Biden with seniors. And look at the independent vote. Fox knows it, Trump knows it :cool:

8-10 · 30-10-2020 11:57pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1322299788797173760

All but over on those figures. A nearly 20 point swing to Biden with seniors. And look at the independent vote. Fox knows it, Trump knows it :cool:

It is over. Nobody living in the real world thinks Trump will win

Outlaw Pete · 31-10-2020 12:00am

NY Post's Twitter account finally unlocked.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1322304510736371713

Outlaw Pete · 31-10-2020 12:24am

8-10 wrote: »

It is over. Nobody living in the real world thinks Trump will win

Deja Vu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79PNGWG9Mo

Cheerful Spring2 · 31-10-2020 12:28am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Oh, they understand it alright - they're just happy about it, that's why they won't speak out against it.

Yesterday Twitter even locked out the CBP Chief for daring to the tell the truth about what a success Trump's border wall has been:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gSlTLAm6U

I'm not a supporter of Trump. People's political musings his the worst president ever, well for me, doesn't stack up with reality. The Trump presidency the 4 years was a mixed bag of events. There economic, foreign impact decisions Trump pushed forward on his own has benefitted the American worker and sustained global peace.

I do believe Trump was right in saying more NATO members should pay more for defense. Him meeting the North Korea Leader has calmed that situation down. People seem to forget this country was firing ICBMs over Japan territory on a monthly schedule.

Trump wanted out of Syria and out of the middle east, unfortunately the military industrial complex and the intelligence community wanted a permanent stay there and they forced Trump to change his mind on that. There's some rational thinking going on there in the head of Trump but the influence of outsiders sometimes forces Trump to not go the extra mile to end pointless endless wars. There some accomplishments that the anti Trump media will never face up to and say that's a job well done.

There some ugly truths too and i see both sides points at times..

People are expecting some fairytale ending if Biden wins, they are in for a shock. His an establishment guy who trusts the intelligence community apparatus conclusions on all matters. In challenging times Biden may be the worst choice right now. China, Russia and NK are not going away. Biden probably will be better leader for Iran. Biden for me is a guy who easily roll over for the military industrial complex.

Twitter likely flagged the guy tweet because it's something Trump wanted build. And one side doesn't like Trump being a success! I have no idea if the wall helps the border stays quiet and helps the fight with drugs. Twitter associated the news with Trump

mcmoustache · 31-10-2020 1:17am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

NY Post's Twitter account finally unlocked.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1322304510736371713

Finally.

Now I can read about their Bigfoot sightings and Obama's Kenyan birth cert on twitter again.

I really hate to see a publication by one of the richest global media barons being asked to delete some characters on a private company's platform.

EasycomeEasygo · 31-10-2020 1:23am

Inquitus wrote: »

Thankfully the American people disagree with you and polling shows that they trust Biden more than Trump on the economy as it stands.

Trump is full of shít, he claimed that China has paid billions in tariffs, as anyone with half a brain knows the people buying the goods pay the tariffs not the people manufacturing them in China. That's just one example of his lies around the economy and his impact on it.

China imports from the US too and it is on those imports they pay the tarrifs

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-30/china-accelerates-u-s-corn-buying-with-record-purchase

Outlaw Pete · 31-10-2020 1:33am

mcmoustache wrote: »

.. a private company's platform.

Again you show (along with others) that you support unethical behavior just because it effects those whose views you don't agree with. Not a good look.

Social media companies position themselves as public platforms and are afforded a certain level of immunity from being responsible for what users post as a result of that.

Well, as Ted Cruz said:

"If they’re not going to be neutral and fair, if they’re going to be biased, we should repeal the immunity from liability so they should be liable like the rest of us"

extra gravy · 31-10-2020 1:38am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

NY Post's Twitter account finally unlocked.

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1322332724208803842?s=19

Finally! Thank god, I was so afraid I was missing out on all their insightful, investigative journalism!

vojiwox · 31-10-2020 1:44am

extra gravy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1322332724208803842?s=19

Finally! Thank god, I was so afraid I was missing out on all their insightful, investigative journalism!

Tbf probably better fact checked than the Hunter article!

Outlaw Pete · 31-10-2020 1:52am

So, it's okay for these tech companies to prevent the public from reading information from news outlets which they'd rather they didn't, if that news outlet has ever previously published clique bait content?

Is that actually the pathetic argument you folks have gall to make? Guess so.

mcmoustache · 31-10-2020 2:01am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

So, it's okay for these tech companies to prevent the public from reading information from news outlets which they'd rather they didn't, if that news outlet has ever previously published clique bait content?

Is that actually the pathetic argument you folks have gall to make? Guess so.

You can get your disinformation from the rest of the internet. Twitter is just one website among millions. If you want more misinformation in your life, you should check out facebook whose today's top 10 includes:

https://twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1322193892255518720

That might be more of what you're looking for.

vojiwox · 31-10-2020 2:02am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

So, it's okay for these tech companies to prevent the public from reading information from news outlets .

The day twitter hack the nypost and take it down and stop people reading its rubbish, I for one will condemn twitter!!

But if twitter and boards.ie have policies about what I can post on their site... Meh.

31-10-2020 2:02am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

So, it's okay for these tech companies to prevent the public from reading information from news outlets which they'd rather they didn't, if that news outlet has ever previously published clique bait content?

Is that actually the pathetic argument you folks have gall to make? Guess so.

Since when did their website get blocked by tech companies?
Fairly sure you could still open it and read their articles on every browser and device with internet access in Ireland and indeed the U.S. if you wanted to.

Who thinks Trump will win?

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