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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • #5072
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    manniot2 wrote: »
    Guardian saying Uk front liners may get the good stuff by Xmas.

    Imagine the first concert or football game you go to without restrictions. Will be heaven

    The good stuff - are you referring to a vaccine? That's good news.


  • #5073
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The good stuff - are you referring to a vaccine? That's good news.

    Yes. Its all over British media that they are planning now to roll out a vaccine to healthcar workers in early December

    Question is how many of them will take it?


  • #5074
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    Children may spread it but not when they're in school as covid cannot spread when kids are sitting in a classroom.

    This was said in sarcasm right?


  • #5075
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    If its the Oxford vaccine its unlikely to stop the staff being infected at some stage and some may be still be able to infect others.

    That is completely unknown and we don't have efficiency data yet from phase 3. It is due soon.

    In phase 1 trials it was the case that some shedding was observed in the nose of monkeys that were exposed to a higher viral load than any human would be. Others had traces but weren't shedding.

    Wait for efficiency data from phase 3 before coming out with such a definitive statement. A vaccine that limits disease severity would be acceptable for a graduated return to normal life, early data showed the lungs being protected and that is key.


  • #5076
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Hearing of some public sector staff being seconded back to contact tracing from Tuesday.

    These were initially moved to contact tracing back in March/April and then back to their own departments over the summer. Now being moved back in again for the duration of level 5.


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  • #5077
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Stheno wrote: »
    Yes. Its all over British media that they are planning now to roll out a vaccine to healthcar workers in early December

    Question is how many of them will take it?

    That is good news. I suspect a lot of people in healthcare especially the front line staff might have been exposed and infected already with the virus. I know someone on the fontline over there and she was a positive. Her symptoms were nil. They are testing frontline staff every week there. I suspect a lot of people already were infected with the virus and I don't know how beneficial a vaccine would be.


    Would anything happen if someone contracted the virus but was asymptomatic and didn't display any symptoms and they didn't know they had the virus and received a vaccine on top of it?


  • #5078
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Stheno wrote: »
    Great. Leo says strategy is delay and vaccinate

    In other words, rolling restrictions

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1320359131879034882?s=19

    Confirming what almost everyone had guessed. No European country has a different plan.


  • #5079
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,210 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.


  • #5080
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    This was said in sarcasm right?

    Pretty sure it was. In line with what Norma trying to tell us :D
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #5081
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    majcos wrote: »
    Very very few people are really exempt. The only group that is truly exempt is those who do not understand why they are wearing a mask and would therefore be distressed by it, for example someone with special needs or cognitive impairment. Exemptions include someone who is unconscious or incapacitated and someone who is unable to remove it without help. I believe this in case those groups vomit and then they might aspirate their own vomit or could choke.

    HSE website also mentions face mask is not recommended for those who have trouble breathing. I do not understand this one. Masks can definitely be very uncomfortable but masks do not cause a actual drop in oxygen levels. I understand there might be an occasional exception but that could be addressed on an individual basis.

    For those with pre-existing trouble breathing to such a degree that they cannot wear a mask for a few minutes and for the other groups mentioned above, surely they should be cocooning as much as possible and not going to shops. There should be very few exemptions.

    Masks are to protect others from the wearer so I think the shops might have the right to refuse admission if they themselves felt uncomfortable with a non mask wearer entering the premises.

    I am aware of masks. That doesn't imply that they don't cause me severe distress, so your point is nonsensical. Discrimination is a crime.


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  • #5082
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    The world will implode if these vaccines turn out to be complete ass


  • #5083
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.

    Main issue is the method of declaring a death in Ireland.

    You've 3 months to register a death, until that happens its not notified


  • #5084
    Risteard81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    amadangomor wrote: »
    There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

    People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

    No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

    Masks have nothing to do with Level 5 as they are a placebo for those incapable of rational thought. They are an affront to civilisation.


  • #5085
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Confirming what almost everyone had guessed. No European country has a different plan.

    The one thing missing for me is numbers

    We know they are currently aiming for less than 100 cases a day as a target to move out of level five

    If they could define the threshold for moving back e.g. from three to two or moving up again I think it would give people focus rather than bumbling along with no clarity


  • #5086
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why is there a time-lag in the reporting of Covid deaths? Surely, it must be possible to report the number of such deaths in a specific period without revealing anything that would indicate the identities of those who died.
    Under present laws that can be up to 3 months. It needs to be changed.


  • #5087
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,623 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Masks have nothing to do with Level 5 as they are a placebo for those incapable of rational thought. They are an affront to civilisation.

    Ah sure they are placebo, another scientist
    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #5088
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Hearing of some public sector staff being seconded back to contact tracing from Tuesday.

    These were initially moved to contact tracing back in March/April and then back to their own departments over the summer. Now being moved back in again for the duration of level 5.

    What skills are required for contact tracing?
    Is it effectively a call centre type of operation?
    It seems we need to have a few hundred for the current situation and then have them on standyby when numbers are brought down to July / August levels.


  • #5089
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,210 ✭✭✭political analyst


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Main issue is the method of declaring a death in Ireland.

    You've 3 months to register a death, until that happens its not notified

    But the managers of nursing homes and of hospitals place deaths of residents and of patients on record immediately, don't they? It can't just be left to relatives to register deaths - and what if a deceased person has no surviving relatives?


  • #5090
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,999 ✭✭✭Russman


    Stheno wrote: »
    The one thing missing for me is numbers

    We know they are currently aiming for less than 100 cases a day as a target to move out of level five

    If they could define the threshold for moving back e.g. from three to two or moving up again I think it would give people focus rather than bumbling along with no clarity

    I’d assume there’s other metrics they’d look at though, along with case number ?


  • #5091
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    Goldrickssan wrote: »
    The world will implode if these vaccines turn out to be complete ass

    We have invested so much in them at this stage, they will make them work by reducing testing etc.


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  • #5092
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,100 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Risteard81 wrote: »
    Masks have nothing to do with Level 5 as they are a placebo for those incapable of rational thought. They are an affront to civilisation.

    I thought they were Satanic?
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115034595&postcount=42

    So maybe you can clarify if our government should be prosecuted for blasphemy, or treason or is it crimes against science?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5093
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Russman wrote: »
    I’d assume there’s other metrics they’d look at though, along with case number ?
    They don't like setting targets at all and prefer "as low as possible". That's really not acceptable now and will be even less so if/when we get another one of these in the New Year.


  • #5094
    Beanybabog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    Beanybabog wrote: »
    I just got a text for my daughters Covid test... in three hours. No text so far for me or my son. I’ve Been reading lots giving out about people not turning up for their second test... maybe more notice would be helpful! I’m fine but I imagine some people have no transport

    Just an update to this, got to the test centre and asked them to put us all in together and they couldn't find my son. Realised the text said a different centre! So they had booked me in one centre and 20 minutes later his in a different centre. No wonder people are missing their 2nd appointments. Luckily I got done with my daughter so I have just one more trip to make


  • #5095
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Stheno wrote: »
    The one thing missing for me is numbers

    We know they are currently aiming for less than 100 cases a day as a target to move out of level five

    If they could define the threshold for moving back e.g. from three to two or moving up again I think it would give people focus rather than bumbling along with no clarity

    The combination between case numbers and r number is not something people seem to get.

    If the R number is greater than 1 nphet will oppose any move to lower restrictions whatever the case numbers are (because cases are already growing).

    If the R number is greater around 1.5 nphet will start screaming for level 5 at around 400-600 cases a day.

    Would it help if I defined the point to move to level 5 as the point where the R number and cases and hospitalisation rate suggest that the non covid health service will suffer problems in a month to 6 weeks time.


  • #5096
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,511 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    coastwatch wrote: »
    What skills are required for contact tracing?
    Is it effectively a call centre type of operation?
    It seems we need to have a few hundred for the current situation and then have them on standyby when numbers are brought down to July / August levels.

    Of the ones I know of, the ask was essentially proficient in office (email, excel etc) along with some call handling experience.

    Nothing major really, something most office based staff would already have. The ones being moved back in were already trained back during March/April so they don't have to do that again but for anyone new coming in there's a training course.


  • #5097
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Russman wrote: »
    I’d assume there’s other metrics they’d look at though, along with case number ?

    There are. They have never said that restrictions will be imposed or lifted on a case number basis. They have always stated that there are multiple factors involved and that case numbers alone would be too simplistic a metric to use.


  • #5098
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Main issue is the method of declaring a death in Ireland.

    You've 3 months to register a death, until that happens its not notified

    That doesn’t seem to apply to accident deaths. They are often reported weekly/monthly.


  • #5099
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The combination between case numbers and r number is not something people seem to get.

    If the R number is greater than 1 nphet will oppose any move to lower restrictions whatever the case numbers are (because cases are already growing).

    If the R number is greater around 1.5 nphet will start screaming for level 5 at around 400-600 cases a day.

    Would it help if I defined the point to move to level 5 as the point where the R number and cases and hospitalisation rate suggest that the non covid health service will suffer problems in a month to 6 weeks time.

    That's exactly the sort of thing I'd find useful tbh

    The North showing no effect from shutting down so far, still 20% positivity
    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1320366770281238528?s=19


  • #5100
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    The lots of the drapery in my local Dunnes was taped off today but not the pajamas or underwear wasn't like that even in the first lockdown. This quite clearly has nothing to do with a virus anymore.


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  • #5101
    JimToken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭JimToken


    This truly is the year of useless data

    We're being blindsided by numbers


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