Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1320307797582614528

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

You are posting a figure from them, and I am asking what was the methodology? Because that 2% figure may be nonsense if limited or no testing is done.

The 2% is data. Your opinion and mine are just that, driven by whatever confirmation bias we have of this. They have consistently stuck by those numbers. That may be based on the government desire to keep schools open. If that is the case one could also question the motivation of people who continue to challenge them.

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

HSE says there has been 10 infections traced to pubs.

"real life data"

Indeed.

MerlinSouthDub

khalessi wrote: »

HSE dont want cases in schools, they dont care if they turn up elsewhere, but the fact is there are asymptomatic children in schools not being tested because they are asymptomatic, so parents dont know and schools dont know. There is also unidentifibale community spread hmmm

Levels of community spread are the same now as in August. Those magical schools even managed to cause spread when they were closed....

smellyoldboot

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are you sniffing something?

What are you talking about ? “muddy the waters”

I said I didn’t understand the new restrictions and I asked if this gathering at my parents house was against the rules.

You acting as though I’m trying to make “excuses” because we “got caught having a party” - that makes zero sense. Why would I mention the gathering here in be first place?

The only slow mind here is yourself.

A whole family full of simpletons. What hope is there at all.

is_that_so

Boggles wrote: »

HSE says there has been 10 infections traced to pubs.

"real life data"

Indeed.

Indeed, all about our confirmation bias.

speckle

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Masks are to protect others. It isn't rocket science, if you do not wear one, whatever your excuse, then do not enter public transport and buildings. A person unwilling to maintain hygiene should not have a job in a hospital. Partially sighted people are not allowed drive, whether or not this inconveniences them, because they would be a threat to everyone else. And a

By the way some people who are partially sighted may be in the minority of the very people not wearing a mask. Think.. that is why there are exemptions for a minority of people.

Happydays2020

is_that_so wrote: »

The 2% is data. Your opinion and mine are just that, driven by whatever confirmation bias we have of this. They have consistently stuck by those numbers. That may be based on the government desire to keep schools open. If that is the case one could also question the motivation of people who continue to challenge them.

I am fine if risks are taken and I have said in another post that the risk of not being in school might be greater than being in a regulated environment. I just do not like if there is a policy decision to pretend a risk does not exist.
I know it is delicate and political.

Boggles

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1320307797582614528

We're all be part of the solution. Let's keep this going

Paul you are not part of the solution, you are making it harder for everyone because you an incompetent clown who thinks aiming for 70% is an acceptable target during a once in a generation pandemic.

Fúck off Paul.

growleaves

Don't forget to mask your intentions if you're talking to a beautiful woman.

speckle

majcos wrote: »

I didn’t discount them or say they should not be allowed in.

My post was in reply to AI screening of those wearing masks on entry to shops. Such a system could allow those wearing masks in but also alert a security guard or other member of staff if someone tried to enter without a mask. In that case, the staff could attend to that individual and check if they have a medical exemption.

I intended to imply that those exempt from mask wearing was a smaller proportion of the general population compared to those who can wear masks. I suggested that they should cocoon if they could but my post also acknowledges that this might not be possible for everyone so I suggested that in those cases they could be addressed on an individual basis rather than not be allowed in by AI screening.

That is a fair enough balanced and nuanced approach unlike some on here. Thankyou

Psychiatric Patrick

mloc123 wrote: »

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

Stop derailing conversations

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

There is a difference between rugby and GAA.

The rugby players are professional and it is their job so they can bubble to a degree and the testing has picked up cases.

GAA players are amateur (teachers, doctors, factory workers etc). Interesting to see that one county forfeited a game as employers of some players are saying players will have to quarantine for 14 days before coming back to the workplace.

Then why have golf and tennis been restricted under level 5 regulations, and GAA and rugby have not?

GAA is pay-per-view if you use the new GAAGO streaming app. Individual matches are €5 and an all season pass is €79.

Golf and tennis are not pay-per-view, and they are not bound by large sponsorship contracts. Allianz, AIB, Centra, Eir, Electric Ireland all sponsor the GAA.

Drumpot

mloc123 wrote: »

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

Regardless of anybody’s stance on a topic, with regards to “schools affect on transmission” , if a person or institution refuses to Acknowledge and address information that contradicts a particular stance I’m always very concerned with their message.

There is and has been plenty of information and data that suggests children are no less likely to spread the disease and that a school environment , while more controlled , is just as likely to spread disease as the average office. And yet people are being strongly encouraged to work from home and currently most of us can’t work in an office even if we wanted!

The HSE and NEPHET have refused to elaborate on their sentiments on schools, quite often repeating the phrase that most cases in schools are gotten outside of them. They were saying this before our schools opened and appear to be recording the data that only corroborates these sentiments.

When I see the Authorities being this absolute and confident about the school’s conundrum when you can find plenty of evidence That suggests otherwise, I don’t trust them. Even on the WHOs is website while it tries to push the narrative that schools aren’t so bad it says “ The role of children in transmission is not yet fully understood.“. There you go, even the politically manipulated mouth piece “WHO” admit they really just don’t know how much schools are involved in transmission.

Incidentally they recommend children over 12 wear masks in schools and that between 5-12 that maybe they should Aswell. If it’s clear children don’t really spread the virus much why would this be needed?

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools

I could go on a lot more but this is just very difficult to digest when you think of it on any basic level. It’s a virus, it spreads among people like a virus. There is no definitive evidence that suggests children transmit it any less, just sentiments by the looks of it. “The virus doesn’t spread as much among children” is the unverified narrative that’s being used to promote safety of schools.

There is a huge importance to keeping schools open on many levels , so the government at the very least has a motive to promote a lie to make it more palatable for parents/society.

Boggles

is_that_so wrote: »

Indeed, all about our confirmation bias.

At least your honest I suppose.

amadangomor

speckle wrote: »

Some of the people know they are high risk and are in the minority who cant wear masks are the most concious of the risks, many of them use all other protective measures and for example may only go to shop every 2/3 weeks having had zero close contacts.. and socially distance while doing so. Where as the mask wearers may have had many social/home contacts and dont bother staying 2 metres away from people shopping.
Which are you more likely to get infected by?

All I am saying is dont judge a book by its cover or in this case mask or not.

Why would they be putting themselves or others at unnecessary risk?

I have asthma/breathing problems as a legacy from suspected Covid in March. I don't want anyone around me without a mask.

I've had to self isolate twice this year and was easy to get everything I need online.

Strumms

mloc123 wrote: »

Yeah... Because all parents do such a great job at that. Just need to look at the gangs of teenagers out every night setting off fireworks.

Parenting seems to have become seriously unfashionable these days in certain quarters.

khalessi

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Levels of community spread are the same now as in August. Those magical schools even managed to cause spread when they were closed....

Schools were open in August btw and there were also summer camps, and people including childrenmixing more. I am not saying they are the main spreaders but the fact that everyone here and in gov seem to think that schools are not part of the community, or that children are not spreading it is farcical.

Sure be grand discuss it with ya when tribunal in 10-15 years time.

smellyoldboot

Strumms wrote: »

Parenting seems to have become seriously unfashionable these days in certain quarters.

That is so 1950. Dragged up adults dragging up kids. Not sure when responsible parenting went out of vogue but it was some time before the 1980s in this country.

Psychiatric Patrick

smellyoldboot wrote: »

A whole family full of simpletons. What hope is there at all.

It is a country full of simpletons which is why we still in this situation

If my sisters were only half wits that would be easy to deal with.

Mental illness and years of denying it have done the damage

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then why have golf and tennis been restricted under level 5 regulations, and GAA and rugby have not?

GAA is pay-per-view if you use the new GAAGO streaming app. Individual matches are €5 and an all season pass is €79.

Golf and tennis are not pay-per-view, and they are not bound by large sponsorship contracts. Allianz, AIB, Centra, Eir, Electric Ireland all sponsor the GAA.

Professional golf and tennis tournaments would probably be allowed as elite sports.

I think there is a question mark on whether GAA is an elite sport as it is amateur. But I understand why they want it to go ahead. Not a fan myself but many many people live for their county and the GAA.

mloc123

Drumpot wrote: »

Regardless of anybody’s stance on a topic, with regards to “schools affect on transmission” , if a person or institution refuses to Acknowledge and address information that contradicts a particular stance I’m always very concerned with their message.

There is and has been plenty of information and data that suggests children are no less likely to spread the disease and that a school environment , while more controlled , is just as likely to spread disease as the average office. And yet people are being strongly encouraged to work from home and currently most of us can’t work in an office even if we wanted!

The HSE and NEPHET have refused to elaborate on their sentiments on schools, quite often repeating the phrase that most cases in schools are gotten outside of them. They were saying this before our schools opened and appear to be recording the data that only corroborates these sentiments.

When I see the Authorities being this absolute and confident about the school’s conundrum when you can find plenty of evidence That suggests otherwise, I don’t trust them. Even on the WHOs is website while it tries to push the narrative that schools aren’t so bad it says “ The role of children in transmission is not yet fully understood.“. There you go, even the politically manipulated mouth piece “WHO” admit they really just don’t know how much schools are involved in transmission.

Incidentally they recommend children over 12 wear masks in schools and that between 5-12 that maybe they should Aswell. If it’s clear children don’t really spread the virus much why would this be needed?

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools

I could go on a lot more but this is just very difficult to digest when you think of it on any basic level. It’s a virus, it spreads among people like a virus. There is no definitive evidence that suggests children transmit it any less, just sentiments by the looks of it. “The virus doesn’t spread as much among children” is the unverified narrative that’s being used to promote safety of schools.

There is a huge importance to keeping schools open on many levels , so the government at the very least has a motive to promote a lie to make it more palatable for parents/society.

One additional aspect of keeping schools open might be, it keeps people at home. If the schools closed for a month tomorrow... I think I'd be one of the first people booking a flight to somewhere a little more cheerful.

Having missed out on 3 attempts to staycation this year so far due to localised and national lockdowns.

When the schools closed in march, people had to be reminded for weeks... This isn't summer holidays, it isn't an excuse to travel around the county and visit/stay with family etc..

The stance from NPHET is, schools are as safe and maybe safer than other places.. and IMO, this is down to teachers. Because they will do a better job than a substantial percentage of parents at making sure kids keep apart.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Professional golf and tennis tournaments would probably be allowed as elite sports.

I think there is a question mark on whether GAA is an elite sport as it is amateur. But I understand why they want it to go ahead. Not a fan myself but many many people live for their county and the GAA.

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

Happydays2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

I thought it was only the all Ireland which was allowed to go ahead. I did not realise it was all levels and training.

manniot2

eagle eye wrote: »

Very stupid.


He doesn't have the power to shut us down. As part of NPHET he has the job of making recommendations.

They government decide what happens as they did when they ignored NPHET's advice a couple of weeks ago.

give over. its political suicide not following nphet as leo quickly realised and backtracked on.

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I thought it was only the all Ireland which was allowed to go ahead. I did not realise it was all levels and training.

Yes, all inter county club championship matches are going ahead as usual. Senior county matches are continuing as normal and you can watch some of them as pay-per-view here

https://www.gaago.ie/


Meanwhile yesterday, Basketball Ireland were informed that outdoor training only is permitted, adults must train on their own, outdoor training must be non contact, pods are limited to 15 people, no mixing between pods, players training must maintain social distancing of 2 metres at all times.

No equipment should be shared, this includes passing the ball (hello?)

speckle

amadangomor wrote: »

Why would they be putting themselves or others at unnecessary risk?

I have asthma/breathing problems as a legacy from suspected Covid in March. I don't want anyone around me without a mask.

I've had to self isolate twice this year and was easy to get everything I need online.

Well you are lucky then(I dont mean the covid/asthma)
Some people who are disabled/chronic health isssues live down the country in areas with little ir no broadband or even good mobile reception.

Many of these also live on c200 not the 350 pup or have been not been able to work in between a period of self isolation/test result waiting.

And disablility and other services have been crumbling for years. An extra 5 euros on a delievery for a kettle from argos when constantly repeated over 9 months so far etc or higher prices in the local shop is enough to break their budgets.

I hope your asthma resolves eventually but ask people with disabilitys including those with asthma long term and they will tell you services are not up to scratch. eg if on the medical card see the red tape to get certain asthma equipment)

If they are part of the minority who have medical exemtions for wearing masks will they not be able to shop , go to the dentist or even a hospital appointment, meet with friends? etc.

If you are understandably nervous of a solitary person without a mask please socially distance from them as you do not know the reason behind a decesion that they may have made in conjunction with their own specialists/doctors.

This includes by the way a minority of people who have had covid and cannot wear a mask and for example a minority of people who have been subjects of horrific domestic or childhood abuse in the past or somebody with special needs that looks ordinary.

Regarding the asthma push if you can afford it to see a specialist (not all gps have the most up to date asthma knowledge) and connect with asthma groups not just here in Ireland but internationally, but hopefully it will resolve with time as you recover fully.

Roger_007

Deleted User wrote: »

I like GAA, its just that I am suspicious as to why matches have been allowed to continue, where golf and tennis have been restricted. The GAA must have a large influence on government decisions.

I know many people who live for their golf, and especially now during a lockdown.

The restriction on tennis seems completely illogical. I know a lot of young people are very disappointed that tennis has been restricted. It is not a contact sport, it can be played by 2 people standing a good 10 metres apart

Th restrictions on golf and tennis are not because of any danger they pose to health. Golf and tennis are perceived to be sports indulged in by the better off in society, so it’s just for the political optics to lump them in with other sports.
GAA, on the other hand, is perceived as the sport of the ‘ordinary decent’ people of Ireland, so they are allowing it to go ahead in case the ‘ordinary decent’ people get too pi$$ed off and start making trouble.
If the decisions around sport were based solely on health, they could allow non-contact outdoor sports to go head and simply ban all contact sports.
It just wouldn’t go down well politically.

jackboy

Roger_007 wrote: »

Th restrictions on golf and tennis are not because of any danger they pose to health. Golf and tennis are perceived to be sports indulged in by the better off in society, so it’s just for the political optics to lump them in with other sports.
GAA, on the other hand, is perceived as the sport of the ‘ordinary decent’ people of Ireland, so they are allowing it to go ahead in case the ‘ordinary decent’ people get too pi$$ed off and start making trouble.
If the decisions around sport were based solely on health, they could allow non-contact outdoor sports to go head and simply ban all contact sports.
It just wouldn’t go down well politically.

Correct. Going for a walk on a footpath is a far higher risk than playing golf.

Eod100

Varadkar on RTE radio 1 now. Seems confident vaccines will be available in first quarter or first half of year for high risk groups.