Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-10-2020 09:55AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

A person could try it but aside from being an arsehole said person would have a hard time explaining the the location of the grave yard they are going to and why it’s so from home home if they are pulled in say Dublin and live in Cork.

Not really, many people who want to go "home" for midterm would have grannies and granddads buried in their hometown.

It seems a very peculiar exemption open to abuse.

Also not really sure how it makes you an arsehole. Go down home and self isolating is as safe as all those coming in home from abroad.

At the moment someone can fly in from Edinburgh, or just drive in from NI and go their parents in Cork, but their sibling living in Dublin cannot do the same thing.

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-10-2020 09:56AM

Penfailed wrote: »

No, it's not. The reason for moving to Level 5 is due to the pressures on the health service, not the number deaths.

Pressure on the health service leads to deaths

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 09:58AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

So they don’t no they have it and go around infecting people all around them. What an absolutely idiotic suggestion.

Firstly, that’s what’s happening now that the track and trace has collapsed.

Secondly, no. If contacted to say you were a close contact, instead of going for a test you would self isolate for 14 days. Simple. No symptoms, no illness, no test needed.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 09:58AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If that’s the case, how come Ireland currently has little to no excess mortality??

Has it? I'm don't possess all the statistics.

Ironhead93 · 21-10-2020 09:59AM

Seeing they managed to open up the gyms in Liverpool and now a few Irish gyms are doing the same. The people have had enough, love it.

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-10-2020 10:01AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Firstly, that’s what’s happening now that the track and trace has collapsed.

Secondly, no. If contacted to say you were a close contact, instead of going for a test you would self isolate for 14 days. Simple. No symptoms, no illness, no test needed.

I actually fail to see how this 5km radius, given the number of exceptions that are in place for shopping, working, teaching etc. is going to work at all.

All of this is more risk then NthClare going for a walk and maintaining distance from people

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 10:06AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Has it? I'm don't possess all the statistics.

So you made a claim without any facts to back it up? Hardly debating in good faith. All the stats are available on the CSO website.

SAMTALK · 21-10-2020 10:06AM

Ironhead93 wrote: »

Seeing they managed to open up the gyms in Liverpool and now a few Irish gyms are doing the same. The people have had enough, love it.

And some people have enough of doing what's asked and watching other people decide to do what they want

No one enjoys living like this despite people saying others are enjoying lockdown, and revelling in the misery of it all

nthclare · 21-10-2020 10:07AM

In response to people's reply to my post, thanks.

Yes there's a lot of different personalities out there, maybe if the HSE had a list of single people who are suffering from depression and anxiety.
Give them a letter suggesting that they're allowed to have a day a week where they can maybe head of to the coast or woods for a bit of down time.

Because they're loners and have social anxiety, they're not going to be hanging out with a load of gannets or jock's drinking and drugging and slobbering all over each other, you can be sure of that...

They're not your average personality, just recluse people who find themselves not fitting in and they're not causing harm to the general population because they're avoidants .

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:12AM

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Absolutely zilch- but you’re not dealing in logic with these people cheerleading this ultimately pointless stuff - probably going to take a few severe austerity budgets at this stage to refocus minds

People keep saying this about refocusing minds with budgets. It's not going to happen in the short term. I don't know anyone that doesn't realise that there's financial pain coming down the line.

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 10:13AM

nthclare wrote: »

In response to people's reply to my post, thanks.

Yes there's a lot of different personalities out there, maybe if the HSE had a list of single people who are suffering from depression and anxiety.
Give them a letter suggesting that they're allowed to have a day a week where they can maybe head of to the coast or woods for a bit of down time.

Because they're loners and have social anxiety, they're not going to be hanging out with a load of gannets or jock's drinking and drugging and slobbering all over each other, you can be sure of that...

They're not your average personality, just recluse people who find themselves not fitting in and they're not causing harm to the general population because they're avoidants .

Thats a very incorrect view of depression and anxiety.

It doesn't matter if you are rich/poor, introvert/extravert, someone who fits in/someone who doesn't, nerd/jock.

It can, and does, effect everyone and anyone.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:14AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not we had one of the top ICU consultants in the Mater say on TV last night that they are under no more pressure than normal. He also didn't agree with the mask mandate when used in the general population the same as Carl Hennigan.

One consultant? Oh, okay then. That changes everything.

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 10:16AM

Penfailed wrote: »

One consultant? Oh, okay then. That changes everything.

One consultant, one professor, little to no excess deaths in 2020.

Lock her down :rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey · 21-10-2020 10:19AM

Penfailed wrote: »

One consultant? Oh, okay then. That changes everything.

Tony changed everything when he came back and clipped Ronan's wings.

He’s one consultant with a fantastic history of being focused on others health

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:19AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Because the call they’ve made has massive implications across all of society. It affects every man, woman and child in the state and is adding €1 billion onto our deficit. Not to mention the huge loss of footfall for the retailers. Gyms forced to close once again, health & well being eroded. This is a serious decision, and the data they’re using is not being shared. I don’t think this is good enough.

That's a completely fair comment. You have an opinion that is based on some of the information. We (the public) don't have all the information...so opinions are based on supposition.

nthclare · 21-10-2020 10:21AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Thats a very incorrect view of depression and anxiety.

It doesn't matter if you are rich/poor, introvert/extravert, someone who fits in/someone who doesn't, nerd/jock.

It can, and does, effect everyone and anyone.

Well as an avoidant myself Im saying you're 100% wrong.

There's different forms of depression and anxiety, and you're suggesting that there's only one type of depression and that's wrong too.

It doesn't discriminate, but if you cared to read my post I'm talking about single men and women who are avoidants.

If you're depressed and have to seek validation of others and be around people all the time that's going along the lines of codependency.. which is another form of a stressful existence.
And that's hard going too.
I know people who can't stand being alone,and I 100% empathize with them

As a native American Indian called Lisa's from Forth Wort Texas said to me one time on Inch beach Kerry on a November's damp evening in 2005 "Peter introverts understand extroverts but an extrovert will never understand an introvert"

An amazing experience, I remember the tone of her voice too .

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:21AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Pressure on the health service leads to deaths

Indeed. Deaths aren't the sole reason for moving to level five though.

21-10-2020 10:22AM

The models show that even if lockdown is a “success”, we will still have 50 odd cases a day and rising to about 300 in mid January.

So chances are we’d only drop to level 3 and be level 5 by February again. What kind of strategy is that?

The best thing for the country right now is if the lockdown isn’t successful at all. Show the “leaders” that we are pursuing a failed approach and force them to rethink.

Christmas cancelled would be a huge positive. It would help to accelerate the loss of public support.

Would also be great if the lenders cut us off.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:23AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you made a claim without any facts to back it up? Hardly debating in good faith. All the stats are available on the CSO website.

I was responding to a claim that also didn't have facts to back it up.

21-10-2020 10:25AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Indeed. Deaths aren't the reason for moving to level five though.

Is this suggesting that we don’t care about deaths as long as hospitals are not over run?

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 10:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is this suggesting that we don’t care about deaths as long as hospitals are not over run?

No.

FintanMcluskey · 21-10-2020 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The models show that even if lockdown is a “success”, we will still have 50 odd cases a day and rising to about 300 in mid January.

So chances are we’d only drop to level 3 and be level 5 by February again. What kind of strategy is that?

The best thing for the country right now is if the lockdown isn’t successful at all. Show the “leaders” that we are pursuing a failed approach and force them to rethink.

Christmas cancelled would be a huge positive. It would help to accelerate the loss of public support.

Would also be great if the lenders cut us off.

Going broke and having no access to money is the only way out.

Which obviously isn’t the solution, but it will be the result quite soon

21-10-2020 10:28AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wouldn't expect it to have any effect on the R number or to contribute any way to less covid cases, it's absolutely bull**** with no Scientific evidence in the slightest to back any of it up.

It’s quite obvious that the more people move around the more chance of spreading the virus so limit movements will of course stop it spreading.

21-10-2020 10:31AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Not really, many people who want to go "home" for midterm would have grannies and granddads buried in their hometown.

It seems a very peculiar exemption open to abuse.

Also not really sure how it makes you an arsehole. Go down home and self isolating is as safe as all those coming in home from abroad.

At the moment someone can fly in from Edinburgh, or just drive in from NI and go their parents in Cork, but their sibling living in Dublin cannot do the same thing.

I was referring to people using it to move around as they please (which I thought you were suggesting) when I said they would be arseholes.

21-10-2020 10:33AM

Ironhead93 wrote: »

Seeing they managed to open up the gyms in Liverpool and now a few Irish gyms are doing the same. The people have had enough, love it.

Hopefully the guards will have them all shut before lunch and slapped with a large fine, they are not above the law which is there to protect people from the virus. Astounding arrogance.

Also anyone attending said gym would also be liable to fines.

robfowler78 · 21-10-2020 10:33AM

Just wondering we're are all the people who are usually on trolleys all over the country this year.? Is that still to come over the next couple of months. And I'm not trying to be smart just thinking is it possible with covid going on we won't have alot of people on trolleys and would that not be something to investigate. Maybe there are people already but I havnt heard anything on the news.

JimToken · 21-10-2020 10:35AM

Are GAA pitches closing now to casual training and gym work

growleaves · 21-10-2020 10:35AM

robfowler78 wrote: »

Just wondering we're are all the people who are usually on trolleys all over the country this year.? Is that still to come over the next couple of months. And I'm not trying to be smart just thinking is it possible with covid going on we won't have alot of people on trolleys and would that not be something to investigate. Maybe there are people already but I havnt heard anything on the news.

Lots of people are off their trolleys this year.

21-10-2020 10:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The models show that even if lockdown is a “success”, we will still have 50 odd cases a day and rising to about 300 in mid January.

So chances are we’d only drop to level 3 and be level 5 by February again. What kind of strategy is that?

The best thing for the country right now is if the lockdown isn’t successful at all. Show the “leaders” that we are pursuing a failed approach and force them to rethink.

Christmas cancelled would be a huge positive. It would help to accelerate the loss of public support.

Would also be great if the lenders cut us off.

Translation let’s hope the virus keeps spreading and lots of people get very sick and die so my selfish desire to “open up” might be considered. Charming stuff but not unexpected from you.

Also if you listened to MM speech you would know that they are not hiding the fact that the plan is to continue a open up/close down cycle to keep the virus under some control, you talk about it like it’s not been discussed.

It also clear stated that letting the virus spread is absolutely not an option, it was dismissed like it was only for for the bin. Much more careful reasoning was given for not considering a zero covid approach than any daft notion of “herd immunity”.

RoryMac · 21-10-2020 10:41AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Hopefully the guards will have them all shut before lunch and slapped with a large fine, they are not above the law which is there to protect people from the virus. Astounding arrogance.

Also anyone attending said gym would also be liable to fines.

Doesn't sound like the Guards have much intention of handing out fines

https://agsi.ie/articles/covid-19-fine-system-requires-clarification/

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings