Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

sabat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Tony is cute, said an R number of 0.5 would mean we could celebrate Christmas.

It wasn’t 0.5 during Summer

Deleted User wrote: »

Sarah McInerney on RTE just clarified too that a bubble with another family CAN be outside your 5km, it can even be in another county, any county, no restriction. Thats good.

Why are people still even listening to this nonsense? Do what you want.

Dempo1

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Mobile phones and repairs are essential

Really? There's a marvelous invention called the world wide Web, and if you come back with repairs comment, no direct or franchise mobile phone shop does repairs, all sent out to authorised repair centres.

Travelling 5km to get an upgrade or new mobile is not I beliv covered under restrictions, not even a Fisher price model at local toy store.

Coybig_

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Tony is cute, said an R number of 0.5 would mean we could celebrate Christmas.

It wasn’t 0.5 during Summer

The R number will initially fall but as we near few cases, it will rise again.

It has been proven many times how stupid the R number is when dealing with single and low double figure case loads. Despite this, we had to listen to the idiots and the so called "experts" of NPHET waffle on about it, as I'm sure we will again.

They don't have a clue. And Captain Cervical himself is being treated like a god. We are a nation full of absolute morons.

MOH

Dempo1 wrote: »

Yes just heard mobile phone shops staying open, oddly most are franchise that don't facilitate click and collect, how's that going to work?

That link sums up the level of care gone into this.
URL "60ecc-essential-retail-outlets-for-level-4"

Line 1: This list applies for Level 5 only.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/aciquestion/status/1318474234012774401

See, If all you lads had shown up on the protests with Dee from Cabra there'd be no lockdown.

What's wrong with yiz?

Lundstram

The lockdown merchants using today’s death number to justify this insane lockdown. I’ve a horrible feeling some of them were happy to see that number today. Blatantly ignoring the many many days of no deaths at all and all the other days with one or two.

Quantum Erasure

Dempo1 wrote: »

That stupid question again, if you recall (perhaps not) 20km was the limit, leaving me 1km)

Anything helpful to add???

The 5km limit is for exercise only, even if the shop is next door, if it's not essential you shouldn't be going

Rrrrrr2

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can't believe anyone is buying into the waiting for a vaccine strategy, it's absurd. I really wonder is Leo setting MM up for a fall and Tony along with him.

Never under estimate the stupidity of the masses- we are not a very scientifically literate nation- I was 12 by the time I started learning proper science curricula. Lots of people have a very low standard of education, even less of a scientific grasp- if you handed them a piece of paper and asked them to define, outline and draw a diagram of how a vaccine works they would not have the first clue. They’ve no concept of what is involved in R&D and registration of one.

Kermit.de.frog

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Never under estimate the stupidity of the masses- we are not a very scientifically literate nation- I was 12 by the time I started learning proper science curricula. Lots of people have a very low standard of education, even less of a scientific grasp- if you handed them a piece of paper and asked them to define, outline and draw a diagram of how a vaccine works they would not have the first clue. They’ve no concept of what is involved in R&D and registration of one.

You need to get in touch with Dee from Cabra. It's leadership your movement lacks and she's just the person.

Rrrrrr2

sabat wrote: »

Why are people still even listening to this nonsense? Do what you want.

Exactly- I empathise with that poster but sweet Jesus- you’re not a tagged animal in a pen

Rrrrrr2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You need to get in touch with Dee from Cabra. It's leadership your movement lacks and she's just the person.

Really. I don’t even know who she is but I’m sure you do. Good for you

Tenzor07

Coybig_ wrote: »

The R number will initially fall but as we near few cases, it will rise again.
It has been proven many times how stupid the R number is when dealing with single and low double figure case loads. Despite this, we had to listen to the idiots and the so called "experts" of NPHET waffle on about it, as I'm sure we will again.
They don't have a clue. And Captain Cervical himself is being treated like a god. We are a nation full of absolute morons.

Using the R0 rate of a virus to dictate national policy is a clear sign we need new experts now, and a government with a spine to stand up to Doctor Death...

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/aciquestion/status/1318474234012774401

See, If all you lads had shown up on the protests with Dee from Cabra there'd be no lockdown.

What's wrong with yiz?

We were all playing golf , sipping brandy and exchanging rib ticklers about the underclass dullards...just loike you...kermit de fraud...

walus

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Using the R0 rate of a virus to dictate national policy is a clear sign we need new experts now, and a government with a spine to stand up to Doctor Death...

I only wonder what is the error rate of those coefficients that their use to lock down the country. Donnelly was saying that the growth rate of virus was exponential, it is like saying the sky is blue, of course it is ffs. I’d say nphet are using simplified models and they have no hope to tell when that exponent flattens out, tilts and falls. Thus dramatic measures as the error window is wide and they want to stay on the cautious side of things.

Multipass

Lundstram wrote: »

The lockdown merchants using today’s death number to justify this insane lockdown. I’ve a horrible feeling some of them were happy to see that number today. Blatantly ignoring the many many days of no deaths at all and all the other days with one or two.

The wording is deliberately ambiguous though.
From thejournal.ie

“In a statement, it said (Dept of health) that a further 13 people confirmed to have Covid-19 have died. It has been confirmed that all 13 have been recent deaths.
This is the highest daily death toll from Covid-19 since 27 May.”

Does ‘recent’ actually mean today, it would need to if they’re talking about a ‘daily death toll’. To me the word recent could also mean one death a day over 13 days, and they’ve bunched them all together for greater impact on lockdown day.
And as usual confirmed ‘to have Covid’, not died of Covid.

Ffs just be straightforward and truthful. Maybe it was an awful day, but with stupid reporting like this, we’ll never know.

Rrrrrr2

rusty cole wrote: »

We were all playing golf , sipping brandy and exchanging rib ticklers about the underclass dullards...just loike you...kermit de fraud...

Indeed. I’ve no idea who “D from cabra” is but I can read the snobbery eviscerate through here- why Else mention their address? What relevance has that got to someone’s POV- the very clear implication here is that someone is working class and therefore stupid and has a lesser opinion to be sneered at. Says an awful lot about says poster but not surprising given their antecedence

charlie14

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

That is your statement about which I had the question, not the answer to my question.

My question was posed here

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114995056&postcount=3706

As can be seen I emboldended and coloured RED what I was emphasing in my question.

I gave you the answer to your question. I even added a few details.
If you do not accept that then I`m not going to lose any sleep over it.

MelbourneMan

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Using the R0 rate of a virus to dictate national policy is a clear sign we need new experts now, and a government with a spine to stand up to Doctor Death...

Would you be advocating the case that if non expert and experts differ, the correct conclusion is that the experts must be wrong ? And so the experts should be replaced by new ones ?

bear1

So, if you lived in craughwell and your nearest supermarket was loughrea or Galway.. would you be stopped or what?

bloopy

Multipass wrote: »

The wording is deliberately ambiguous though.
From thejournal.ie

“In a statement, it said (Dept of health) that a further 13 people confirmed to have Covid-19 have died. It has been confirmed that all 13 have been recent deaths.
This is the highest daily death toll from Covid-19 since 27 May.”

Does ‘recent’ actually mean today, it would need to if they’re talking about a ‘daily death toll’. To me the word recent could also mean one death a day over 13 days, and they’ve bunched them all together for greater impact on lockdown day.
And as usual confirmed ‘to have Covid’, not died of Covid.

Ffs just be straightforward and truthful. Maybe it was an awful day, but with stupid reporting like this, we’ll never know.

I was wondering about that vagueness earlier. Usually they are relatively accurate with the timing of deaths. Unfortunately, asking this question on the various sites now results in accusations of a lack of empathy or compassion.
This thing is governed by emotion alone now.

Kermit.de.frog

bear1 wrote: »

So, if you lived in craughwell and your nearest supermarket was loughrea or Galway.. would you be stopped or what?

Stopped. I doubt you'd be turned around for having to do essential shopping.

Kermit.de.frog

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Indeed. I’ve no idea who “D from cabra” is but I can read the snobbery eviscerate through here- why Else mention their address? What relevance has that got to someone’s POV- the very clear implication here is that someone is working class and therefore stupid and has a lesser opinion to be sneered at. Says an awful lot about says poster but not surprising given their antecedence

You're the one bringing class in to it. I never mentioned class. If she was from Foxrock I'd say the same.

Nobody knows anything else about her. She hangs out at hospitals and stuff wanting to end the lock downs.

Rrrrrr2

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Indeed. I’ve no idea who “D from cabra” is but I can read the snobbery eviscerate through here- why Else mention their address? What relevance has that got to someone’s POV- the very clear implication here is that someone is working class and therefore stupid and has a lesser opinion to be sneered at. Says an awful lot about says poster but not surprising given their antecedence

100% the inferance being anyone with an opposing view should take up a sandwhich board, a pack of ciggies and shout at the rain. Kermit de freud and his first edition of THE PRINCE eh...probably has jade goody posters for porn

Kermit.de.frog

rusty cole wrote: »

100% the inferance being anyone with an opposing view should take up a sandwhich board, a pack of ciggies and shout at the rain. Kermit de freud and his first edition of THE PRINCE eh...probably has jade goody posters for porn

Miss Piggy actually.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You're the one bringing class in to it. I never mentioned class. If she was from Foxrock I'd say the same.

Nobody knows anything else about her. She hangs out at hospitals and stuff wanting to end the lock downs.

Id take a punt, tough up bringing, no real education, not the brightest and maybe learning disabilties.just the type you and the chaps can throw darts at kermy..

Penfailed

Dempo1 wrote: »

Anyone have a answer to a simple question, Food Shopping and this 5km rule. I live very rural, nearest shopping district 19km away, how the F@€K is that going to work, are they handing out bow & arrows so we can going hunting. I'm seeing nothing that suggests food shopping classified as essential?

You don't think shopping for food is essential?

Ginger n Lemon

Multipass wrote: »

The wording is deliberately ambiguous though.
From thejournal.ie

“In a statement, it said (Dept of health) that a further 13 people confirmed to have Covid-19 have died. It has been confirmed that all 13 have been recent deaths.
This is the highest daily death toll from Covid-19 since 27 May.”

Does ‘recent’ actually mean today, it would need to if they’re talking about a ‘daily death toll’. To me the word recent could also mean one death a day over 13 days, and they’ve bunched them all together for greater impact on lockdown day.
And as usual confirmed ‘to have Covid’, not died of Covid.

Ffs just be straightforward and truthful. Maybe it was an awful day, but with stupid reporting like this, we’ll never know.

Thats a very ambitious ask from incompetent morons working in the Irish media. All they are concerned is publishing rubbish like "Could we still save Christmas?"

bloopy

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats a very ambitious ask from incompetent morons working in the Irish media. All they are concerned is publishing rubbish like "Could we still save Christmas?"

Judging by the radio all day today, the only way to save Christmas is to make sure that we all turn on each other with suspicion and paranoia.

TRANQUILLO

Lundstram wrote: »

The lockdown merchants using today’s death number to justify this insane lockdown. I’ve a horrible feeling some of them were happy to see that number today. Blatantly ignoring the many many days of no deaths at all and all the other days with one or two.

Ive tapered off my posting on the thread and on covid in general but the lads still in here (they don't need to be named) endorsing harsher restrictions and the associated ruination of our lives and societies must be on a wind up.Whatever about March...everyone deserved a fair crack of the whip and their voice heard.

But at this stage its a piss take.

Ive seen them take pot shots at Ivor Cummins data and other commentators who hold an alternative view to what's happening and its just the usual ad hominem attacks. I haven't seen any posters unpick the arguments made by the "anti lockdowners". It's always an ad hominem attack without fail.

There can't be that many sociopaths around. All the people in here advocating for looser restrictions and going back to the old way of life are not bad people. We all have older relatives. Its not like we want our grannies to die so we can go to copper faced jacks. Everyone has skin in this game. Some of us have seen what's happening, looked at various data and have made up our own minds.

If you told me Dublin was on fire every day for 6 months and our hospitals had no burn victims and I never seen flames or smoke and no one in my family ever seen flames or smoke eventually you'd ask ...Whats the story here?

TRANQUILLO

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

Ive tapered off my posting on the thread and on covid in general but the lads still in here (they don't need to be named) endorsing harsher restrictions and the associated ruination of our lives and societies must be on a wind up.Whatever about March...everyone deserved a fair crack of the whip and their voice heard.

But at this stage its a piss take.

Ive seen them take pot shots at Ivor Cummins data and other commentators who hold an alternative view to what's happening and its just the usual ad hominem attacks. I haven't seen any posters unpick the arguments made by the "anti lockdowners". It's always an ad hominem attack without fail.

There can't be that many sociopaths around. All the people in here advocating for looser restrictions and going back to the old way of life are not bad people. We all have older relatives. Its not like we want our grannies to die so we can go to copper faced jacks. Everyone has skin in this game. Some of us have seen what's happening, looked at various data and have made up our own minds.

If you told me Dublin was on fire every day for 6 months and our hospitals had no burn victims and I never seen flames or smoke and no one in my family ever seen flames or smoke eventually you'd ask ...Whats the story here?

Good post. Those posters are trying to get a ban for a badge of honour very well written and very much how i feel in its sumation.