Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

JimToken

I'm beginning to think it's a big government conspiracy to control us.

And I'm not a CT

Penfailed

Dempo1 wrote: »

That stupid question again, if you recall (perhaps not) 20km was the limit, leaving me 1km)

Anything helpful to add???

Eh? It was 2km first, then 5km and after that I think it went to 20km.

Multipass

JimToken wrote: »

I'm beginning to think it's a big government conspiracy to control us.

And I'm not a CT

No they’re not smart enough.
It’s scarier really that it’s social media led hysteria on top of the knowledge that they can’t let people find out how bad the health service really is.

Penfailed

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Indeed. I’ve no idea who “D from cabra” is but I can read the snobbery eviscerate through here- why Else mention their address? What relevance has that got to someone’s POV- the very clear implication here is that someone is working class and therefore stupid and has a lesser opinion to be sneered at. Says an awful lot about says poster but not surprising given their antecedence

She's Gemma O'Doherty's sidekick. THAT says it all.

Penfailed

bear1 wrote: »

So, if you lived in craughwell and your nearest supermarket was loughrea or Galway.. would you be stopped or what?

You might be stopped. Who knows. If you are, you're going food shopping. Job done.

JimToken

Penfailed wrote: »

You might be stopped. Who knows. If you are, you're going food shopping. Job done.

Can you go food shopping anywhere?

Penfailed

JimToken wrote: »

Can you go food shopping anywhere?

If you're travelling further than you need to, I'd imagine not. It's basically the same rules as the first lockdown.

Idbatterim

Lads imagine these muppets had to take even a five percent welfare or job pay cut, virtually nothing and theyd be singing a different tune. Its total comedy and its why the government were never going to introduce an austerity budget. Pity they have the initial easy way out of borrowing tens of billions. Will be comedy if / when the markets turn again...

charlie14

bear1 wrote: »

So, if you lived in craughwell and your nearest supermarket was loughrea or Galway.. would you be stopped or what?

Been a while since I`ve been in Craughwell but last time I was there I remember shops. Mind you, I had spent a bit of time in Cheevers.
To answer your question, I do not really know, but I doubt you not being within 5Km of an Aldi or Lidl would carry a lot of weight.

Dempo1

charlie14 wrote: »

Been a while since I`ve been in Craughwell but last time I was there I remember shops. Mind you, I had spent a bit of time in Cheevers.
To answer your question, I do not really know, but I doubt you not being within 5Km of an Aldi or Lidl would carry a lot of weight.

It's my weight I'm worried about, seriously, I would be shocked if essential food shopping was not permitted, never mind an Aldi, we've not got a single shop that sells groceries within a 10km radius of were we live.

ArmaniJeanss

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's my weight I'm worried about, seriously, I would be shocked if essential food shopping was not permitted, never mind an Aldi, we've not got a single shop that sells groceries within a 10km radius of were we live.

Then 100% you can go shopping. If stopped, just explain politely to the guards and they'll probably know themselves that someone who lives in 'xxx rural place' needs to travel a distance for essentials.

Do a big shop obviously (though being so isolated you are probably used to this over winter anyway).

Dempo1

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Then 100% you can go shopping. If stopped, just explain politely to the guards and they'll probably know themselves that someone who lives in 'xxx rural place' needs to travel a distance for essentials.

Do a big shop obviously (though being so isolated you are probably used to this over winter anyway).

Yes indeed, reminded of that snow storm a few years back, thanks

CalamariFritti

Multipass wrote: »

The wording is deliberately ambiguous though.
From thejournal.ie

“In a statement, it said (Dept of health) that a further 13 people confirmed to have Covid-19 have died. It has been confirmed that all 13 have been recent deaths.
This is the highest daily death toll from Covid-19 since 27 May.”

Does ‘recent’ actually mean today, it would need to if they’re talking about a ‘daily death toll’. To me the word recent could also mean one death a day over 13 days, and they’ve bunched them all together for greater impact on lockdown day.
And as usual confirmed ‘to have Covid’, not died of Covid.

Ffs just be straightforward and truthful. Maybe it was an awful day, but with stupid reporting like this, we’ll never know.

Ah come on guys.

I'm as anti restriction and anti vaccine-is-our-only hope as they come, but what difference does it make wether those poor folks died today or last week? Its sh1t either way. Let's stay classy, ok?

Wayne Jarvis

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's my weight I'm worried about, seriously, I would be shocked if essential food shopping was not permitted, never mind an Aldi, we've not got a single shop that sells groceries within a 10km radius of were we live.

It's permitted. All info here, https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/covid19/living_with_covid19_plan.html


Domestic travel
You should stay at home. You can exercise within 5km of your home.
You should not travel further than 5km from your home except:

• For food shopping
• To travel to and from essential work
• To attend medical appointments and get medical supplies
• For vital family reasons such as providing care
• To attend disability day services
• To attend a wedding or funeral
• To visit a grave
• For farming

Strumms

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Leo is quite a tactician.

He will be having interviews next week where he ll be surprised we have strictest lockdown in Europe.

He’s something beginning with T that rhymes with losser.

I don’t remember any politician in this state that was prepared to throw the ordinary citizens under a fûcking bus, quite literally en masse... just to pander to and appease big business. Frightening.

charlie14

Dempo1 wrote: »

It's my weight I'm worried about, seriously, I would be shocked if essential food shopping was not permitted, never mind an Aldi, we've not got a single shop that sells groceries within a 10km radius of were we live.

Apologies if I came across as facetious.
I see another poster post the regulations recently so it appears you will be ok to travel outside the 5Km limit for food shopping.

bloopy

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ah come on guys.

I'm as anti restriction and anti vaccine-is-our-only hope as they come, but what difference does it make wether those poor folks died today or last week? Its sh1t either way. Let's stay classy, ok?

There is a big difference between 13 deaths in one day and 13 deaths over potentially 20 days.
It is the same reason why people get shocked and angry at a mass shooting in one place in the States vs the same amount of shootings over a weekend in Chicago.

To be honest, it probably is better to start looking at the deaths from a monthly perspective rather than a daily at this stage.

CruelSummer

24 hours later and I still cannot believe we’ve gone to level 5...and are the first in Europe to do so. Paschal has been very slow to speak up against this madness...he should have started back in April.
This makes absolutely no sense and I cannot find any projection models or data to back up this decision. Any information would be welcome at this stage. Hope you all take care of yourselves over this time, great to see some businesses doing click & collect. And the drive to buy Irish online. It’s well intentioned and might just help a bit..

Rrrrrr2

CruelSummer wrote: »

24 hours later and I still cannot believe we’ve gone to level 5...and are the first in Europe to do so. Paschal has been very slow to speak up against this madness...he should have started back in April.
This makes absolutely no sense and I cannot find any projection models or data to back up this decision. Any information would be welcome at this stage. Hope you all take care of yourselves over this time, great to see some businesses doing click & collect. And the drive to buy Irish online. It’s well intentioned and might just help a bit..

Utterly nonsensical but plenty of cushioned vegetables and assorted hypochondriacs love it- I gather it gives them some kind of collective purpose in otherwise pretty meaningless and boring lives. The virtue signalling glow is overdrive stuff which they all revel in.

Paschal is a wet blanket and it’s actually quite dangerous that someone as spineless as him is now Finance minister which is the most important ministry- without it nothing else happens.

Goldengirl

CruelSummer wrote: »

24 hours later and I still cannot believe we’ve gone to level 5...and are the first in Europe to do so. Paschal has been very slow to speak up against this madness...he should have started back in April.
This makes absolutely no sense and I cannot find any projection models or data to back up this decision. Any information would be welcome at this stage. Hope you all take care of yourselves over this time, great to see some businesses doing click & collect. And the drive to buy Irish online. It’s well intentioned and might just help a bit..

Read the NPHET letter to Donnelly published today on gov.ie
All the reasons , projection models and data there for anyone that wants to know them .

dalyboy

Goldengirl wrote: »

Read the NPHET letter to Donnelly published today on gov.ie
All the reasons , projection models and data there for anyone that wants to know them .

Is this the same modelling that told us 85,000 people would die of Covid ? Yeah ?
Think I’ll leave it at then .

Goldengirl

dalyboy wrote: »

Is this the same modelling that told us 85,000 people would die of Covid ? Yeah ?
Think I’ll leave it at then .

Well if that's the level of your understanding , it probably wouldn't make much sense to you then , so yes, you should leave it .

FintanMcluskey

dalyboy wrote: »

Is this the same modelling that told us 85,000 people would die of Covid ? Yeah ?
Think I’ll leave it at then .

Was thinking back to Summer.

What the **** were NPHET at.

There was days where there was 4 times as many bureaucrats in NPHET as cases of Covid in Ireland.

walus

CruelSummer wrote: »

24 hours later and I still cannot believe we’ve gone to level 5...and are the first in Europe to do so. Paschal has been very slow to speak up against this madness...he should have started back in April.
This makes absolutely no sense and I cannot find any projection models or data to back up this decision. Any information would be welcome at this stage. Hope you all take care of yourselves over this time, great to see some businesses doing click & collect. And the drive to buy Irish online. It’s well intentioned and might just help a bit..

I’m the same. To me it seems they are working of some theoretical models that predict number of cases and potentially are so simplified that do not factor in the T-cells immunity, if anything exclude it completely. Just as they did back in March. At this point there is so much data that an empirical modeling should be a much better predictor.

The thing is though, I don’t think that they are interested in making better predictions.

walus

bloopy wrote: »

There is a big difference between 13 deaths in one day and 13 deaths over potentially 20 days.
It is the same reason why people get shocked and angry at a mass shooting in one place in the States vs the same amount of shootings over a weekend in Chicago.

To be honest, it probably is better to start looking at the deaths from a monthly perspective rather than a daily at this stage.

Weekly or biweekly average would probably represent it better. They should also stop announcing those numbers every day, as if the plague was out there trying to kill us all. Weekly reports would be just fine.

DellyBelly

Be interesting how many fines will be issued. I reckon it'll be very little. If they can't deduct it from people's social welfare payments it won't make any difference in any case.

FintanMcluskey

DellyBelly wrote: »

Be interesting how many fines will be issued. I reckon it'll be very little. If they can't deduct it from people's social welfare payments it won't make any difference in any case.

Reading the legal thread it doesn’t seem straightforward at all.

zerosugarbuzz

DellyBelly wrote: »

Be interesting how many fines will be issued. I reckon it'll be very little. If they can't deduct it from people's social welfare payments it won't make any difference in any case.

Judgemental much. The people I know who ignored the travel rules etc date were all wealthy pensioners with villas in Spain. I’m sure there were house parties but I heard none where I live.

zerosugarbuzz

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ah come on guys.

I'm as anti restriction and anti vaccine-is-our-only hope as they come, but what difference does it make wether those poor folks died today or last week? Its sh1t either way. Let's stay classy, ok?

It matters because it’s deliberately misleading. It leads to people not being able to trust what we’re being told.

patnor1011

Allinall wrote: »

I'm not seeing any laughing in that article?

It's just reporting the facts.

Yep. By reporting on russian website for everyone to see with clearly stating that ours are harshest and longest it is quite mockery of our overreaction. There is no help for you if you failed to see that.