Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-10-2020 07:55AM

On the visiting a grave exception, could you not use c that to go all the way across the country?

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-10-2020 07:58AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ah come on guys.

I'm as anti restriction and anti vaccine-is-our-only hope as they come, but what difference does it make wether those poor folks died today or last week? Its sh1t either way. Let's stay classy, ok?

It does matter though as its being used as a reason for Level 5.

It also matters what peopke died FROM and not with.

13 people died with covid, 11 of which died due to a heart attack changes the story.

Sounds callous, but people die everyday, it's impossible to prevent it

Allinall · 21-10-2020 08:01AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yep. By reporting on russian website for everyone to see with clearly stating that ours are harshest and longest it is quite mockery of our overreaction. There is no help for you if you failed to see that.

Where's the mockery in the article?

At no point is there even a hint of an opinion offered.

Micheal Martin himself said we were introducing one of the harshest set of restrictions in Europe.

CruelSummer · 21-10-2020 08:02AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Read the NPHET letter to Donnelly published today on gov.ie
All the reasons , projection models and data there for anyone that wants to know them .

I understand the NPHET projection models are going on the basis that only something like 1% of the population have been exposed to the virus. They rely solely on an antibody sample from the summer. They don’t look at t-cell immunity, of which there are papers published on The Lancet. I’ve been trying to find the data used but cannot source it.

DellyBelly · 21-10-2020 08:06AM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Judgemental much. The people I know who ignored the travel rules etc date were all wealthy pensioners with villas in Spain. I’m sure there were house parties but I heard none where I live.

Just in the area where I live it's the council estate types that I see ignoring the rules. You are right though I'm sure it's not just them who are breaking the restrictions

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 08:12AM

Penfailed wrote: »

What difference does it make? If you take Covid out of the equation, they wouldn't be dead.

If that’s the case, how come Ireland currently has little to no excess mortality??

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 08:16AM

risteard7 wrote: »

People should stop going for testing, it's a waste of time. Negative one day, positive the next.

Yes wash hands be mindful of the elderly & keep you're distance, fair enough.

Hoolahan said if we get below 100 cases we can open back up. That can be achieved next week if we want.

Especially if people with no symptoms stopped going for tests

pjohnson · 21-10-2020 08:35AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yep. By reporting on russian website for everyone to see with clearly stating that ours are harshest and longest it is quite mockery of our overreaction. There is no help for you if you failed to see that.

Your sources are the funniest available!

dalyboy · 21-10-2020 08:37AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Well if that's the level of your understanding , it probably wouldn't make much sense to you then , so yes, you should leave it .

Would you like to show how they scientifically come up with this model or do you work from a “blind faith“ kinda approach to it all. ?

21-10-2020 08:44AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Especially if people with no symptoms stopped going for tests

So they don’t no they have it and go around infecting people all around them. What an absolutely idiotic suggestion.

paw patrol · 21-10-2020 09:10AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Its not necessarily a negative. But again it leads to what can only be described a vested interest. How much advertising revenue does a regional station like Clare FM or Northern Sound pull in per year? It aint 90K.

So I can understand the want to peddle covid all day everyday... money talks.

It is interesting to listen to the radio , the money the state i pumping into the media has an additional affect of soft propaganda where non-news shows like breakfast shows ( I briefly heard Q102 this morning) where the hosts are now dragging in people to talk about how to be a good citizen. 2fm is the same.

It's vomit tbh.

Coybig_ wrote: »

They don't have a clue. And Captain Cervical himself is being treated like a god. We are a nation full of absolute morons.

Classic:pac:

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 09:16AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Yep. By reporting on russian website for everyone to see with clearly stating that ours are harshest and longest it is quite mockery of our overreaction. There is no help for you if you failed to see that.

It's reporting the facts. I didn't read any mockery. I'm sorry for your paranoia.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 09:17AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

On the visiting a grave exception, could you not use c that to go all the way across the country?

You could, yeah.

CalamariFritti · 21-10-2020 09:26AM

bloopy wrote: »

There is a big difference between 13 deaths in one day and 13 deaths over potentially 20 days.
It is the same reason why people get shocked and angry at a mass shooting in one place in the States vs the same amount of shootings over a weekend in Chicago.

To be honest, it probably is better to start looking at the deaths from a monthly perspective rather than a daily at this stage.

I get you but this fixation with a daily number is stupid anyway. The day before we had what 1000 something and zero deaths. Nobody concluded IFR is 0% from that. Same way nobody will say 1% will die from it just because of yesterday. Looking at daily numbers and going oooh or aaah is silly.

Strictly speaking to make any statistical sense the way we are counting should be defined by the windows of changing test parameters.

So say from March to May we were testing only someone with at least 2 symptoms. So we should have a numbers breakdown for that period.
Then from May to June one symptom. So another breakdown for that.
Then from June to August one symptom or close contact. Another number for that.
And so on - this list is just made up. But it illustrates what would make sense.

This daily numbers thing is total baloney and the government and RTE are stupid to continue it cos all it does is keeping the people who are on edge already in the same heightened anxiety state.

paw patrol · 21-10-2020 09:27AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I understand the NPHET projection models are going on the basis that only something like 1% of the population have been exposed to the virus. They rely solely on an antibody sample from the summer. They don’t look at t-cell immunity, of which there are papers published on The Lancet. I’ve been trying to find the data used but cannot source it.

for mentioning T-cells.
At least I'm not alone in what I read

21-10-2020 09:29AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

On the visiting a grave exception, could you not use c that to go all the way across the country?

A person could try it but aside from being an arsehole said person would have a hard time explaining the the location of the grave yard they are going to and why it’s so from home home if they are pulled in say Dublin and live in Cork.

nthclare · 21-10-2020 09:33AM

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 09:36AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

It does matter though as its being used as a reason for Level 5.

No, it's not. The reason for moving to Level 5 is due to the pressures on the health service, not the number deaths.

Penfailed · 21-10-2020 09:38AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I understand the NPHET projection models are going on the basis that only something like 1% of the population have been exposed to the virus. They rely solely on an antibody sample from the summer. They don’t look at t-cell immunity, of which there are papers published on The Lancet. I’ve been trying to find the data used but cannot source it.

That's your understanding. You don't actually know for sure though. How about letting the actual experts make the call based on ALL the information.

Multipass · 21-10-2020 09:38AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Ah come on guys.

I'm as anti restriction and anti vaccine-is-our-only hope as they come, but what difference does it make wether those poor folks died today or last week? Its sh1t either way. Let's stay classy, ok?

Because of the line directly underneath the deaths info -
“This is the highest daily death toll since.....”

I think it’s important to know if this is a lie designed to cause fear.

CalamariFritti · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

There is nothing wrong with that but to give the government some credit when they are talking to and making rules for a population its not like you're talking to a single reasonable person. Its like a classroom full of kids you could say and a teacher trying to put order to it. There are quiet ones, there are fidgety ones, there are bright ones and not so bright ones, there are good behaved ones and then there are the clowns (like me). You need to find a message for all of them at the same time.

I guess you cant come out saying if you're alone and lonely and will do no harm its ok to drive to the beach. Cos half the class will go grand so we're ok to drive to the beach (in a group).

Rrrrrr2 · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

Absolutely zilch- but you’re not dealing in logic with these people cheerleading this ultimately pointless stuff - probably going to take a few severe austerity budgets at this stage to refocus minds

average_runner · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

Outside activities are very important for people health. Its easy for me to run but if swimming makes your life easier, go for it

21-10-2020 09:41AM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

Because for every person actually doing this there would be 100 using it as an excuse to do something else if it was an allowable excuse as you can see from people wondering will they get away with saying they are visiting a grave. YOu also have the potential for people flocking to areas that are popular which again increases risk.

Its better and easier if everyone just staying within their 5km except for essential reasons and personally I wouldn't consider going for a walk in a particular place or a swim or fishing etc as even remotely essential nor does the government.

While I fully appreciate the mental health impact for the situation I feel its being used as an excuse for everything by everyone at the moment which is undermining the battle against real mental health issue imo.

CalamariFritti · 21-10-2020 09:42AM

Multipass wrote: »

Because of the line directly underneath the deaths info -
“This is the highest daily death toll since.....”

I think it’s important to know if this is a lie designed to cause fear.

I guess there is something in that. And I have little doubt if any leeway is there at all Tony will massage the data for maximum impact. He seems quite the manipulator.

But it doesnt change the overall statistical data underneath

drunkmonkey · 21-10-2020 09:43AM

Penfailed wrote: »

No, it's not. The reason for moving to Level 5 is due to the pressures on the health service, not the number deaths.

It's not we had one of the top ICU consultants in the Mater say on TV last night that they are under no more pressure than normal. He also didn't agree with the mask mandate when used in the general population the same as Carl Hennigan.

average_runner · 21-10-2020 09:43AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Because for every person actually doing this there would be 100 using it as an excuse to do something else if it was an allowable excuse as you can see from people wondering will they get away with saying they are visiting a grave. YOu also have the potential for people flocking to areas that are popular which again increases risk.

Its better and easier if everyone just staying within their 5km except for essential reasons and personally I wouldn't consider going for a walk in a particular place or a swim or fishing etc as even remotely essential nor does the government. A

The chance of spreading virus outdoors is very low. The poster needs to do what's best for his mental health.

drunkmonkey · 21-10-2020 09:47AM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Its better and easier if everyone just staying within their 5km except for essential reasons and personally I wouldn't consider going for a walk in a particular place or a swim or fishing etc as even remotely essential nor does the government. A

I wouldn't expect it to have any effect on the R number or to contribute any way to less covid cases, it's absolutely bull**** with no Scientific evidence in the slightest to back any of it up.

21-10-2020 09:52AM

bloopy wrote: »

I was wondering about that vagueness earlier. Usually they are relatively accurate with the timing of deaths. Unfortunately, asking this question on the various sites now results in accusations of a lack of empathy or compassion.
This thing is governed by emotion alone now.

Aye, Covid is like a new religion, preached by our bumbling fools in cabinet and their media.

Like all religions anyone asking a logical question must be labeled heritic, ridiculed and discredited.
Now known it has a much lower fatality rate than most flu's, yes, it will be worse in Ireland as we are the unhealthiest nation in the EU with the highest obesity rate. personally think thats a case of you reap what you sow.

Had time since March, where less may was known about this but instead of promoting a reasonably healthy diet and basic supplements we at this latitude are usually deficient in to boost immunity, we now have totally unconstitutional restrictions (be interesting how these fines proposed would stand in court).

CruelSummer · 21-10-2020 09:53AM

Penfailed wrote: »

That's your understanding. You don't actually know for sure though. How about letting the actual experts make the call based on ALL the information.

Because the call they’ve made has massive implications across all of society. It affects every man, woman and child in the state and is adding €1 billion onto our deficit. Not to mention the huge loss of footfall for the retailers. Gyms forced to close once again, health & well being eroded. This is a serious decision, and the data they’re using is not being shared. I don’t think this is good enough.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings