Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

alentejo · 05-10-2020 09:53AM

Meanwhile

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/exacerbation-of-covid-19-crisis-risk-to-ireland-s-debt-rating-1.4372328

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 09:54AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Whats the alternative NIMAN. Open up let it kill whom it may?

150,000 of us with longcovid by xmas?
Another 6,000 dead of covid?
Another 4,000 assisted deaths? (No tests, oxygen,icu for elderly)

And a tanked economy as well?
Cause thats exactly what happened in Sweden.

Numbers there only started dropping during summer break.
Even sweden are starting house isolation now. Why? Surely they are immune by now?

You do post some nonsense.

Sweden is twice our population.
Another 6000 deaths? We've had 1800 so far. Sweden despite remaining open are on track to have no more than 500 new deaths by Christmas.

4000 assisted deaths? At least you accept Ireland also has assisted deaths.

Sweden always had isolation for the elderly and occasionally nursing homes.

05-10-2020 09:54AM

Boggles wrote: »

150 confirmed cases in hospital 15 admission in the last 24 hours.

The situation has obviously rapidly deteriorated since Thursday. We have had about 2300 cases in the past 5 days, approaching a 500 a day average.

I imagine 50-50 if we get a briefing this evening.

Not getting a briefing from somebody today would be beyond belief. It absolutely has to happen after last night's events

Boggles · 05-10-2020 09:55AM

AdamD wrote: »

Not getting a briefing from somebody today would be beyond belief. It absolutely has to happen after last night's events

I imagine that will not be Tony's call.

Asylum15 · 05-10-2020 09:55AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Answer me this one.

If we have a month of level 5 and we get down to the numbers we had during the summer, then open up again surely the same cycle will repeat and come Xmas time we will be in full panic mode again.

Can't help but feel there was a key time period in which our government had to make crucial decisions which the public would (majority) be on-board for. Our initial lockdown seemed the right move but as many have said things like keeping the borders open etc was very costly. Seems we missed the boat on truly flattening this.

Now, compliance will be much lower for any drastic moves and it'll be clear that this virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon, level 5 or not.

One thing for Tony to say Level 5, another for the general public to follow the advice right now.

(Note - I personally wear masks everywhere, sanitize etc and don't engage in group activities or reckless behavior so I would follow any advice)

Icyseanfitz · 05-10-2020 09:56AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Is there no middle ground of Level 4 for Dublin and a few others and Level 3 for everywhere else?

We are doing middle ground right now, its not working

Sweet.Science · 05-10-2020 09:57AM

Either lockdown fully until there is a vaccine next year or leave things as they are.

Blondini · 05-10-2020 09:57AM

So let's close down safe businesses, but let 1 million people mingle indoors in poorly ventilated schools with no SD?

Cool.

Richard Hillman · 05-10-2020 09:57AM

I think people are suffering from a form of Stockholm Syndrome. They feel comfortable with lockdowns and are afraid of going back to the real world.

odyssey06 · 05-10-2020 09:57AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Level 4 and 5 seem fairly similar to me?..
Is there any real substantial difference? 4 is surely the easier option, especially if they are the same in most things

The big one for Level 5 is:
Stay at home.
Exercise within 5 kilometres of home.

Level 4 is:
Stay in your county (or other defined geographical area) apart from essential work, education and other essential purposes.

So basically like March or April don't go out except for exercise or essential business.

Icyseanfitz · 05-10-2020 09:58AM

Asylum15 wrote: »

Can't help but feel there was a key time period in which our government had to make crucial decisions which the public would (majority) be on-board for. Our initial lockdown seemed the right move but as many have said things like keeping the borders open etc was very costly. Seems we missed the boat on truly flattening this.

Now, compliance will be much lower for any drastic moves and it'll be clear that this virus isn't going anywhere anytime soon, level 5 or not.

One thing for Tony to say Level 5, another for the general public to follow the advice right now.

(Note - I personally wear masks everywhere, sanitize etc and don't engage in group activities or reckless behavior so I would follow any advice)

In my opinion that was the full as normal reopening of schools.

Sardonicat · 05-10-2020 10:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is one specific hospital where this is an issue, UHL and that is due to the closing Ennis A+E.

As an aside, A+E isn't in-patient care.

I'm aware what A and E is and isn't. If you present with acute symptoms yoy will admit to hispital via A abd E. If you require a bed on a ward and there isn't one you stay on a trolley in A and E, sometimes for days, not getting the care yoy need because, as you rightly pointed out, it is not an inpatient setting. No it is not only an issue in one hospital it is a country wide issue and has been for years. Unless you've just arrived from Mars you know that.

Renjit · 05-10-2020 10:01AM

Feckin back to square one.

blowitupref · 05-10-2020 10:01AM

walshb wrote: »

Infection numbers now are similar to what they were during our strict lockdown in April...

We didn't test in the same scale as now or pick up as many asymptomatic cases in April. In other words the infection rate back then didn't report accurate numbers.

Non solum non ambulabit · 05-10-2020 10:01AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

What do you think would be better for our economy, restrictions now during a naturally quiet time for retail or on the run up to Christmas, the biggest money maker for them?

I think shutting up shop now with strict measures will get the numbers right down for some form of normality during Christmas and the economy would be thankful.

If we go into Level 5 or even Level 4 we won't be coming out of it until March next year. There will be no going back over winter months.

We barely came out of lockdown during the summer. Not going to happen in winter.

lawrencesummers · 05-10-2020 10:02AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Perhaps the stupidest post you've ever put in this site, and you've had some doozies.

First off not only is that illegal (against the GFA) and not only would that be incredibly expensive (have you any clue how many crossings there is) you do realise this covid crisis is not going to last forever yes?
We literally have farmers who march their cows through the border to get to different fields.

Are you always this much fun?

Blondini · 05-10-2020 10:02AM

Level 5. It's not really going to happen though, right?

John O.Groats · 05-10-2020 10:03AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Is there no middle ground of Level 4 for Dublin and a few others and Level 3 for everywhere else?

That option was tried and is not having the desired effect so a minimum level 4 on a countrywide basis is necessary unfortunately mainly due to the fcukwits.

Away With The Fairies · 05-10-2020 10:03AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If measures are weak it's delaying the inevitable and prolonging uncertainty, much more costly in the medium term.

I'd rather level 5 now, cut transmission now rather than having to introduce panic restrictions at the end of October.

Not acting now leaves us in a reactionary position which is not a good place to be.

Cut transmission now and then what? Start all over again? Let people fly into the country and go wherever they want, come off flights and into pubs and family dinners.

The levels are a joke. Level 5 but schools remain open?

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 10:08AM

walshb wrote: »

Infection numbers now are similar to what they were during our strict lockdown in April...

No they aren't because realistically they were much higher than what we were reporting because you couldn't get a test without jumping through hoops

Paddygreen · 05-10-2020 10:08AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The big one for Level 5 is:
Stay at home.
Exercise within 5 kilometres of home.

Level 4 is:
Stay in your county (or other defined geographical area) apart from essential work, education and other essential purposes.

So basically like March or April don't go out except for exercise or essential business.

But why would you even want to? It’s so scary out there, potential spreader units are everywhere exhaling the deadly virus . We can do everything online, even our jobs. We don’t have to leave our houses guys, we should stay home to stay safe. Hold firm, we are all in this together.

LillySV · 05-10-2020 10:09AM

is_that_so wrote: »

You don't but then people will take what you said as a glorified rant.

Your the one ranting and looking to cause trouble ... I highlighted the irony of asking a patient to do a covid test when they have a large no of people employed there that they never check ... there should be regular checks on them... only common sense.

Heres an article from inmo who highlights the high level of healthcare workers getting covid

https://www.thejournal.ie/infection-healthcare-workers-hse-5130304-Jun2020/

Get your facts from that if u want ...

Frozen Veg · 05-10-2020 10:09AM

There wouldn't be any issue with another lockdown if it was part of a wider strategy but that doesn't seem to be the case. Eliminating the virus like other countries was never considered.

B.A._Baracus · 05-10-2020 10:09AM

Blondini wrote: »

Level 5. It's not really going to happen though, right?

Never say never.
So many on here thought the idea of seeing 100+ cases a day was never going to happen again.
Couple of weeks ago same sort thought Dublin wouldn't get locked down.

Lessons to be learned:
No one knows what's going to happen.
Pay no attention to people's opinions on this matter.

Ficheall · 05-10-2020 10:10AM

Whatever about school transmission, if college students are all away in Dublin, Galway, Cork etc, even if classes are online, they will socialise and the virus will spread.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-10-2020 10:10AM

Poster boy/girl New Zealand 'defeats' the virus again..

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-zealand-declares-it-beat-the-virus-again-as-auckland-comes-out-of-second-lockdown-39588608.html

It's like telling all your mates you are having the time of your life living in the panic room in the basement of your house.

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 10:10AM

Special interest lobby groups wall to wall now on the wireless this morning.

blowitupref · 05-10-2020 10:11AM

Boggles wrote: »

150 confirmed cases in hospital 15 admission in the last 24 hours.

The situation has obviously rapidly deteriorated since Thursday. We have had about 2300 cases in the past 5 days, approaching a 500 a day average.

I imagine 50-50 if we get a briefing this evening.

Thursday morning had 122 in hospital and 20 in ICU.

Increase of 28 and 1 hardly the need to have every county jump from level 2 to 5.

05-10-2020 10:11AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

One very big difference to start with
ICU beds per 100.O00 .
Ireland 6.5
Latvia 9.7

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-012-2627-8/tables/2

Try get funding for a nationwide Hep C eradication program in Latvia. Ireland's health system isn't bad. In saying that, there is huge room for improvement.

I also did a quick calculation of ICU beds/100000 and we are at 5 beds/ 100k at the moment.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-10-2020 10:12AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Cut transmission now and then what? Start all over again? Let people fly into the country and go wherever they want, come off flights and into pubs and family dinners.

The levels are a joke. Level 5 but schools remain open?

I'm struggling to see how schools would be able to remain open if serious about suppression.

One thing is for certain things can't stay as they are. The situation accelerates due to lack of sufficient counter measures and enforcement.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313040225124470785

This is not all a governance problem. There are a small minority in this country who have behaved recklessly and not followed the rules. People are right to call them out but we need enforcement.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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