Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Icyseanfitz

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Well then they aren't taking public health advice

“Advice” being the operative word. Just one input into the decision making process of the government.

NPHET wasn’t in charge last time I looked

CIARAN_BOYLE

I have to wonder if the situation last night was bad enough for level 5 how did Thursdays meeting decide level 2 was sufficient.

Surely the situation didn't worsen that much. They should have been able to put the call for nationwide level 3 and level 4 in the worst areas at least on Thursday.

is_that_so

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Leaks coming from NPHET. Speculation coming from the whole country.

A recommendation like that was always going to be leaked.

wirelessdude01

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I have to wonder if the situation last night was bad enough for level 5 how did Thursdays meeting decide level 2 was sufficient.

Surely the situation didn't worsen that much. They should have been able to put the call for nationwide level 3 and level 4 in the worst areas at least on Thursday.

Difference is the return of Tony.

is_that_so

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I have to wonder if the situation last night was bad enough for level 5 how did Thursdays meeting decide level 2 was sufficient.

Surely the situation didn't worsen that much. They should have been able to put the call for nationwide level 3 and level 4 in the worst areas at least on Thursday.

This is the puzzlement about this. It's the real lack of warning about it.

caveat emptor

Here's a chart. Not hard to see where the recommendation is coming from.

is_that_so

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Difference is the return of Tony.

Most probably, a bold if very divisive move. Puts an uncomfortable light on NPHET and what they are doing.

robbiezero

is_that_so wrote: »

A recommendation like that was always going to be leaked.

Of course it was, so suitable caution should have been taken. Might have been excusable 6 months ago, it really is just incompetence at this stage.

ThunbergsAreGo

John O.Groats wrote: »

I doubt it will be phase 5 but phase 4 being announced by the Govenment by tomorrow evening is quite likely.

For counties with less than a case a day....

SEPT 23 1989

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I have to wonder if the situation last night was bad enough for level 5 how did Thursdays meeting decide level 2 was sufficient.

Surely the situation didn't worsen that much. They should have been able to put the call for nationwide level 3 and level 4 in the worst areas at least on Thursday.

new information coming into them over the weekend

panic

is_that_so

robbiezero wrote: »

Of course it was, so suitable caution should have been taken. Might have been excusable 6 months ago, it really is just incompetence at this stage.

I'd agree on that. I'm quite baffled, given how well they managed the early stuff, that something like this emerged in such a sloppy way.

walshb

Infection numbers now are similar to what they were during our strict lockdown in April...

CIARAN_BOYLE

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

new information coming into them over the weekend

panic

Yeah the numbers were worse on Friday and Saturday but not enough so. If that was enough to go from 2 to 5 the gaps between levels is too small and they might as well throw out 4 completely as it will never be used.

Funsterdelux

wadacrack wrote: »

Asia doing ok too with a higher population than Europe. South America had very lax restrictions along with Iran and India. Both very high death counts and society not functioning . Western society seems to be in the middle ground atm, should probably follow the what they did in Asia to suppress this

Uruguay doing very well(better than us) in SA, even though they have a land border with basket case Brazil.

KrustyUCC

Very fair article from Fergal Bowers

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1005/1169405-ireland-faces-decisive-moment-with-covid-19/

Paddygreen

is_that_so wrote: »

Most probably, a bold if very divisive move. Puts an uncomfortable light on NPHET and what they are doing.

The BOSS is back. Get used to it guys. I heard the first thing Dr Tony did when he got back into his trusty old swivel chair was ring the teashock and reduce him to tears. Total ledge btw, he has all these grown men running around him like groupies backstage at a Justin Bieber concert.

caveat emptor

WTF are people doing?
Great that you won a match but you are harming everyone.
It's your town's businesses that will suffer.
Will we ever cop on.


https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/1312860541405327361?s=20

KrustyUCC

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Yeah the numbers were worse on Friday and Saturday but not enough so. If that was enough to go from 2 to 5 the gaps between levels is too small and they might as well throw out 4 completely as it will never be used.

It's mad to think that they haven't even tested how level three nationwide would not not to mind level four nationwide before advocating for the nuclear option of level five

Diarmuid

Granadino wrote: »

Spain should be going into a full lockdown, but probably won't.

NPHET are not running the rest of Europe you know?

gifted

I get the impression that the government were not taking full notice of Ronan glynn and Tony Holohan knew this.
Holohan putting it up to the government now with this...he won't be pushed around by mickie Martin.

Pinch Flat

caveat emptor wrote: »

WTF are people doing?
Great that you won a match but you are harming everyone.
It's your town's businesses that will suffer.
Will we ever cop on.

Stupidity pandemic in full swing unfortunately.

Gael23

walshb wrote: »

Infection numbers now are similar to what they were during our strict lockdown in April...

The numbers in hospital are not though

KrustyUCC

gifted wrote: »

I get the impression that the government were not taking full notice of Ronan glynn and Tony Holohan knew this.
Holohan putting it up to the government now with this...he won't be pushed around by mickie Martin.

It will be more interesting to see if mickie Martin won't be pushed around by Tony

gifted

Gael23 wrote: »

The numbers in hospital are not though

Not yet....nphet must know a lot more than any of us

mirrorwall14

What time do we get the morning beds update?

Swabs come in late afternoon right?

And up to Saturday (no swabs yesterday) do we know if/what kind of backlog of swabs we were carrying?

gifted

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It will be more interesting to see if mickie Martin won't be pushed around by Tony

Tony has knocked the ball back into his side of the court now....mickie Martin has got everything wrong so far so chances are he'll get this wrong as well

Pinch Flat

Gael23 wrote: »

The numbers in hospital are not though

For a system that runs at 100% plus capacity in a normal winter with hundreds of people on trolleys all over the hospitals, it won't take much to overwhelm what is the weakest health system in Europe.

Longing

caveat emptor wrote: »

WTF are people doing?
Great that you won a match but you are harming everyone.
It's your town's businesses that will suffer.
Will we ever cop on.


https://twitter.com/GaryAHurley/status/1312860541405327361?s=20

People don't want to adopt that's the biggest problem. Its not NPHET who's the problem they are trying to save lives has much as possible. People are naive and selfish.

GooglePlus

Gael23 wrote: »

The numbers in hospital are not though

Our cases figures now aren't really a true reflection of how things were back in April. We're capturing way more now with increased testing so when we were getting 600-800 in April, it was more than likely much more than that.

Due to this, you can't compare the current hospital numbers alongside case figures then. The virus hasn't changed, so expect hospitalisations to continue to climb with current measures.

Icantthinkof1

GooglePlus wrote: »

Our cases figures now aren't really a true reflection of how things were back in April. We're capturing way more now with increased testing so when we were getting 600-800 in April, it was more than likely much more than that.

Due to this, you can't compare the current hospital numbers alongside case figures then. The virus hasn't changed, so expect hospitalisations to continue to climb with current measures.

This 100%.
In April we probably had at least double these figures; they just went undetected as so many weren’t tested which is also why our hospital and ICU numbers are lower now than the peak. We are nowhere near our last peak& hopefully won’t ever get back to there again