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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

  • 22-07-2020 9:32am
    #1
    Beasty
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    Welcome to thread number 20, the previous ones

    Thread I
    Thread II
    Thread III
    Thread IV
    Thread V
    Thread VI
    Thread VII
    Thread VIII
    Thread IX
    Thread X
    Thread XI
    Thread XII
    Thread XIII
    Thread XIV
    Thread XV
    Thread XVI
    Thread XVII
    Thread XVIII
    Thread XIX


    The daily numbers

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    Hence the Mean of 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 7, 8 = (1+2+3+3+4+7+8)/7 = 4
    Median is the midpoint number. In the above example it’s the 4th number in the sequence of 7 numbers – in this case 3
    Both numbers are examples of “averages”. Not every average is the “Mean”, not every average is the “Median”, but every “Mean” and every “Median” number is an average

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  • #2
    Beasty
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    We're all going on a summer holiday
    No more working for a week or two
    Fun and laughter on our summer holiday
    No more worries for me or you
    For a week or two


  • #3
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hopefully we won't reach 30 :rolleyes:


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
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    Beasty wrote: »
    We're all going on a summer holiday
    No more working for a week or two
    Fun and laughter on our summer holiday
    No more worries for me or you
    For a week or two

    Hopefully new Covid-19 cases fall off a cliff.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Hopefully we won't reach 30 :rolleyes:

    Replied to you too late on the old thread:


    Possibly due to the low level of cases that "Data Validation" activity is no longer being completed to the same level at the weekend while testing continues at pace. Maybe the start of a weekend lag in our data which we previously did not have?


  • #6
    fritzelly
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    Hopefully part 20 isn't a portent


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  • #7
    ACitizenErased
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Replied to you too late on the old thread:


    Possibly due to the low level of cases that "Data Validation" activity is no longer being completed to the same level at the weekend while testing continues at pace. Maybe the start of a weekend lag in our data which we previously did not have?
    I think you're right yeah. This has happened mid week however, it also happened last Thursday. We must just get used to it!


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Hopefully we won't reach 30 :rolleyes:

    Does the post count fall off match the rate of daily cases. It seemed a few months ago we have a new thread every few days. The R number of posts may be a reliable indicator of the current spread of the virus?


  • #9
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Does the post count fall off match the rate of daily cases. It seemed a few months ago we have a new thread every few days. The R number of posts may be a reliable indicator of the current spread of the virus?
    That's a nice weekend project for ya :D


  • #10
    the corpo
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    Thread title needs updating, I'm finding this very confusing!


  • #11
    What Username Guidelines
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's a nice weekend project for ya :D

    I would like when all this is officially over to create a summary of the threads into a single post with how the following changed over the course of time:
    • Post frequency
    • What people wanted (Stop flights/lock down now/open up now/stop flights)
    • Biggest worry (Italian rugby fans/cheltenham/cleaning groceries/joggers breathing/BLM protests/'Muricans)
    • Best of WhatsApp (Hotel on Pearse Street/Army on the streets/"Dear Pub Owner" letter)


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  • #12
    ACitizenErased
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    1 new death RIP

    17 additional cases


  • #13
    Seamai
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    1 new death RIP

    17 additional cases

    Better than I was expecting on the new case front.


  • #14
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,504 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I am seeing way more wearing masks which is good
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #15
    ACitizenErased
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    Analysis of cases as of midnight Monday 20th July - 25,802 cases (+36)

    Healthcare Workers +7
    Clusters +7
    Cases associated with clusters +8

    Age Range Affected
    0-4 No Change
    5-14 +2
    15-24 +5
    25-34 +6
    35-44 +4
    45-54 +11
    55-64 +5
    65-74 +2
    75-84 +1
    85+ No Change

    Cases by County
    Carlow +1
    Cork +3
    Dublin +21
    Kildare +1
    Laois +1
    Limerick +1
    Meath +5
    Monaghan +1
    Offaly +1
    Wicklow +1


  • #16
    bodhrandude
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    I see the Galway Races are still going ahead, absolute madness.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #17
    giveitholly
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    Would the 1 death be that doctor from the Mater who passed away or are deaths reported that quickly?


  • #18
    ACitizenErased
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    Would the 1 death be that doctor from the Mater who passed away or are deaths reported that quickly?
    It probably is unfortunately, ICU deaths are reported fairly fast


  • #19
    ninebeanrows
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    17 cases


  • #20
    stephenjmcd
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    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I see the Galway Races are still going ahead, absolute madness.

    Behind closed doors.

    I'm down here for a few days at the moment, hotels have plenty of rooms for next week, there really won't be that many traveling by all accounts and bars & restaurants are booked out most days already.


  • #21
    Storm 10
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    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I see the Galway Races are still going ahead, absolute madness.

    Going ahead behind closed doors no one at the track except jockeys etc


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  • #22
    Seamai
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    Does anyone know why the recovery number hasn't been revised over the last few weeks? it's creeping back up, I know there has been an increase in new cases but surely there have been recoveries also?


  • #23
    ninebeanrows
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    The rogue number yesterday is put into context but I’m sure the media will focus on the negative

    Let’s get back living and moving

    Can we just look at what Germany is doing and copy it so we can live alongside the virus and prosper with only minimal local lockdowns


  • #24
    lukas8888
    Registered Users Posts: 520 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I see the Galway Races are still going ahead, absolute madness.
    No spectators,races ongoing for the last month.


  • #25
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    One thing I've spotted about yesterday's figures is the demographic is actually quite a bit older. 19 cases out of 36 yesterday were over the age of 45.


  • #26
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    This time last week Glynn alluded to us having daily cases well in excess of 50 by now

    We have been sold a dud


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Analysis of cases as of midnight Monday 20th July - 25,802 cases (+36)

    Healthcare Workers +7
    Clusters +7
    Cases associated with clusters +8

    Age Range Affected
    0-4 No Change
    5-14 +2
    15-24 +5
    25-34 +6
    35-44 +4
    45-54 +11
    55-64 +5
    65-74 +2
    75-84 +1
    85+ No Change

    Cases by County
    Carlow +1
    Cork +3
    Dublin +21
    Kildare +1
    Laois +1
    Limerick +1
    Meath +5
    Monaghan +1
    Offaly +1
    Wicklow +1

    I think that answers the question as to when the building site cluster was added


  • #28
    Micky 32
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    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    The rogue number yesterday is put into context but I’m sure the media will focus on the negative

    Aye The RTE app is already at it now, running a headline “Virus could cause “huge loss” in hospital bed capacity.

    I think we heard that at the beginning.


  • #29
    Larbre34
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    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    This time last week Glynn alluded to us having daily cases well in excess of 50 by now

    We have been sold a dud

    And you'd like to respond to the case total being better than feared, how exactly?


  • #30
    Vicxas
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    5 in meath. Yikes


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  • #31
    ACitizenErased
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think that answers the question as to when the building site cluster was added
    Dublin was also +25 last thursday


  • #32
    What Username Guidelines
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Aye The RTE app is already at it now, running a headline “Virus could cause “huge loss” in hospital bed capacity.

    The number in hospital spiked 33% the other day

    From 9 patients to 12 patients.


  • #33
    ACitizenErased
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    31 out of 36 cases yesterday came from Leinster.


  • #34
    Seamai
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    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    This time last week Glynn alluded to us having daily cases well in excess of 50 by now

    We have been sold a dud

    In this case I think I'd rather be sold a dud than listen to someone who has their head buried in the sand.


  • #35
    thelad95
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    When will the government begin to realize that this has become a Dublin centric problem.

    Moving forward, localized restrictions as needed make a lot more sense. It baffles me how a large nightclub in Dublin or Galway is considered the same as a rural pub where the publican will likely know 85-90% of customers on a first name basis.

    I truly feel sorry for all the publicans who invested in getting their premises ready only to be blindsided at the last minute. Pathetic.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Dublin was also +25 last thursday

    You’d imagine though, given the positive surge over the weekend and the site only closed Monday, that the bulk of the cases were in yesterday’s number


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  • #37
    Micky 32
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    Seamai wrote: »
    In this case I think I'd rather be sold a dud than listen to someone who has their head buried in the sand.

    Either way it shows been sold a dud that there’s no real experts. That includes you too.


  • #38
    Larbre34
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    thelad95 wrote: »
    When will the government begin to realize that this has become a Dublin centric problem.

    Moving forward, localized restrictions as needed make a lot more sense. It baffles me how a large nightclub in Dublin or Galway is considered the same as a rural pub where the publican will likely know 85-90% of customers on a first name basis.

    I truly feel sorry for all the publicans who invested in getting their premises ready only to be blindsided at the last minute. Pathetic.

    Thats stupid logic. Population is both higher and more dense in Dublin (don't...)

    If you localise restrictions in Dublin, my fellow jackeens will be all over your Country pubs like a rash. Same goes for any other large town.


  • #39
    fritzelly
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    thelad95 wrote: »
    When will the government begin to realize that this has become a Dublin centric problem.

    Moving forward, localized restrictions as needed make a lot more sense. It baffles me how a large nightclub in Dublin or Galway is considered the same as a rural pub where the publican will likely know 85-90% of customers on a first name basis.

    I truly feel sorry for all the publicans who invested in getting their premises ready only to be blindsided at the last minute. Pathetic.

    There are several counties all roughly the same per 10k as Dublin


  • #40
    Seamai
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Either way it shows been sold a dud that there’s no real experts. That includes you too.

    I'm well aware what the term means, I never claimed to be an expert. No need for the attitude.


  • #41
    ongarite
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    20 cases per day looks to be normal now going forward.


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  • #42
    boggerman1
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    Anthony stains on the last word wants a ban on travelling introduced in Ireland.so back to phase 2 is the plan.


  • #43
    is_that_so
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    Seamai wrote: »
    In this case I think I'd rather be sold a dud than listen to someone who has their head buried in the sand.
    Sure but it's his apparent inclination to get into the prediction game that has seen people asking questions. Apart from the infamous "15000 cases in March", I don't recall Holohan ever doing that.


  • #44
    ninebeanrows
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    Much of the health advice is bang on and working . Kudos and fair play.

    However there is a middle ground where we can do well clinically and also ensure our economy and vital travel links are kept open

    Tbh we aren’t far off it but I think there has been far too much negativity surrounding our situation and this is having profound effects on the mental health and livelihood of hundreds of thousands of Irish men and women.

    We need a mature and honest discussion about this, this isn’t going away anytime soon. We need a collective agreement about what our priorities are but also who we are going to cast to the he ditch by making these decisions

    In experience , I have always found the middle ground is the best and this can be found.

    However, IMO our position at the moment is far too conservative and will destroy our economy and the mental well being of over 500,000 Irish citizens with family abroad


  • #45
    is_that_so
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    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Anthony stains on the last word wants a ban on travelling introduced in Ireland.so back to phase 2 is the plan.
    Is that travelling into Ireland, within Ireland or both?


  • #46
    Micky 32
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    Seamai wrote: »
    I'm well aware what the term means, I never claimed to be an expert. No need for the attitude.

    There’s no attude here , just reminding you’re no expert either if you’re going to be continually criticizing people having their heads buried in sand


  • #47
    Larbre34
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    boggerman1 wrote: »
    Anthony stains on the last word wants a ban on travelling introduced in Ireland.so back to phase 2 is the plan.

    What for? Staines is a known hawk on these things, the domestic numbers don't justify it and tracking and cluster identification is strong.


  • #48
    Arghus
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    So fcking frustrating watching the news.

    Showing clips of Richard Boyd Barrett banging on about confusion and how it's like a "set of traffic lights" with both the green light and the red light on at the same time.

    No, it isn't. How does he not get it. The advice is clearly not to travel, but fortunately we live in a state where the government doesn't have the powers to keep us all on the island against our will, they can only advise. A green list isn't a signal to go on holidays to these countries. And then RTE compound it by talking about it as if it is. Why, why is there so much dumb?


  • #49
    Seamai
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    There’s no attude here , just reminding you’re no expert either if you’re going to be continually criticizing people having their heads buried in sand

    I didn't acuse ANYONE of burying their head in the sand, I said I'd rather that Glynn sold me a dud than had his head buried in the sand, you misinterpreted it and what's with the "continually"?


  • #50
    Micky 32
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    Arghus wrote: »
    So fcking frustrating watching the news.

    Showing clips of Richard Boyd Barrett banging on about confusion and how it's like a "set of traffic lights" with both the green light and the red light on at the same time.

    No, it isn't. How does he not get it. The advice is clearly not to travel, but fortunately we live in a state where the government doesn't have the powers to keep us all on the island against our will, they can only advise. A green list isn't a signal to go on holidays to these countries. And then RTE compound it by talking about it as if it is. Why, why is there so much dumb?


    I sincerely hope that wasn’t a typo “ fortunately” and that you didn’t mean“unfortunately “


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hopefully new Covid-19 cases fall off a cliff.

    I think you, me and beasty must be REALLY old as you only got thanks off us two for that pun :D


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