Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

petes

polesheep wrote: »

That statement is both wrong and moronic.

How so?

Arghus

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yes I believe there's been studies in America that show this in spades

Oh, I'm not arguing about that. It does disproportionately effect people from minority backgrounds, but as far as I'm aware that has more to do with socio economic factors, rather than the virus being inherently more dangerous or infectious if you're black or white.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But some may be willing to sacrifice the two weeks to make use of the money already spent

Sure but they shouldn't whinge about it if thats what they choose.

Miike

If only there was experts in Vitamin D in Ireland with a quality FAQ and substantial publication output.

https://www.ucc.ie/en/vitamind/faqs/

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

That statement is both wrong and moronic.

How are you forced to go on Holiday?


Unless someone is putting a gun to your head forcing you to go on holiday its YOUR choice. Or maybe its your mammy and daddy in which case you likely wont be loosing pay anyway.

polesheep

petes wrote: »

How so?

So if I buy a new car and it turns out to be a lemon I shouldn't pursue the car dealer as it's entirely my responsibility for having decided to buy that car?

ShineOn7

Arghus wrote: »

Oh, I'm not arguing about that. It does disproportionately effect people from minority backgrounds, but as far as I'm aware that has more to do with socio economic factors than the virus being inherently more dangerous or infectious if you're black or white.

For sure. Coming from a poor socio economic demographic means, more than likely, your diet is shíte. This leads to a weak immune sytem etc

I wonder what the stats are for black and white people getting this once you take away this though and compare like with like

Hego Damask

Has the sky fallen down yet ?

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

How are you forced to go on Holiday?


Unless someone is putting a gun to your head forcing you to go on holiday its YOUR choice. Or maybe its your mammy and daddy in which case you likely wont be loosing pay anyway.

If I'm being threatened with a punishment for going then how do I have a free choice?

And my mammy and daddy are dead many, many years.

Miike

Hego Damask wrote: »

Has the sky fallen down yet ?

Only on boards.

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

So if I buy a new car and it turns out to be a lemon I shouldn't pursue the car dealer as it's entirely my responsibility for having decided to buy that car?

Oh you've changed the goal posts. Or forgotten. You were talking about holidays, not buying a car. You appear to have gotten confused.

Onesea

The person who created the pcr testing doesn't agree its suitable for covid 19 diagnosis.

With numbers already being meddled with and they admitted this. How much faith can we have in the numbers released day on day?
I'm really surprised with how much people just glossed over that headline.Who made the error in reporting numbers?

My own sister used the term the new normal over a text msg today, she herself admitted to only taking her news from Rte.

Miike

Onesea wrote: »

The person who created the pcr testing doesn't agree its suitable for covid 19 diagnosis.

With numbers already being meddled with and they admitted this. How much faith can we have in the numbers released day on day?
I'm really surprised with how much people just glossed over that headline.Who made the error in reporting numbers?

My own sister used the term the new normal over a text msg today, she herself admitted to only taking her news from Rte.

Can you cite all of the sources from each of those assertions please.

Arghus

polesheep wrote: »

If I'm being threatened with a punishment for going then how do I have a free choice?

And my mammy and daddy are dead many, many years.

You aren't being forced to go on a holiday abroad.

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

If I'm being threatened with a punishment for going then how do I have a free choice?

And my mammy and daddy are dead many, many years.

You have the free choice to:

1) not to go in order to avoid this "punishment".

2) go and then face the "punishment"


Theres no gun to your head forcing you to pick either option so if you are all grown up you can make your own choice.

Adults can make their own choices dont blame others for the choice YOU make.

ShineOn7

Gardaí should call to homes of people who refuse to take Covid-19 test, TD tells Dáil committee

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-testing-gardai-visit-people-refuse-5155861-Jul2020/

Fine Gael TD Fergus O’Dowd told the Dail Covid-19 committee 1,314 people who are a direct contact of a person who has a confirmed case of Covid-19, have not turned up for a test.

“That seems like a very high figure to me,” he told the committee.

O’Dowd said Gardaí could call to their homes and ask them to take a test as it is a serious public health issue.

ShineOn7

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Eh?

The Irish have very low levels of Vitamin D surely? We don't get a single bit of it from the sun for 7 months a year (September to March)

Skin tone influences vitamin d levels. Lighter skin tone creates more. In warm counties you get high levels of vitamin d with light skin, so humans evolved darker skin to prevent distraction of folic acid. As we moved to less sunny regions we evolved lighter skin tones. When the heavy plough was invented allowing us to till more marginal land in north west Europe and move to a more grain based diet we evolved even lighter skin to absorb more vitamin d. That’s why Scandinavians tan more than we do. The retained a large herring intake in their diet meaning they needed less vitamin d from the sun. When people move to Northern Europe from warmer climate they lose the vitamin d from the sun. Skin tone is a battle between vitamin d and folic acid

ACitizenErased

Onesea wrote: »

The person who created the pcr testing doesn't agree its suitable for covid 19 diagnosis.

With numbers already being meddled with and they admitted this. How much faith can we have in the numbers released day on day?
I'm really surprised with how much people just glossed over that headline.Who made the error in reporting numbers?

My own sister used the term the new normal over a text msg today, she herself admitted to only taking her news from Rte.

PCR inventor – who died in 2019 – did not say his test won’t work for COVID-19 infections

https://www.aap.com.au/pcr-inventor-who-died-in-2019-did-not-say-his-test-wont-work-for-covid-19-infections/

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-testing-gardai-visit-people-refuse-5155861-Jul2020/

He's dead right, either take the test or mandatory quarantine.

Miike

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://www.aap.com.au/pcr-inventor-who-died-in-2019-did-not-say-his-test-wont-work-for-covid-19-infections/

Just as I imagined. Onsea talking through a length of wavin pipe.

I don't understand how it works so therefore, it DOESN'T work! :mad:

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

Oh you've changed the goal posts. Or forgotten. You were talking about holidays, not buying a car. You appear to have gotten confused.

No, you claimed that I have full responsibility for the consequences of my own decisions, I gave you an example as to why you are wrong. You are attempting to shift the goalposts by claiming a shifting of the goalposts. 🙄 I don't respond to your poorly argued nonsense but forgot on this occasion. So I'm going to leave it there and put you on ignore as you only seem to post for argument's sake.

pjohnson

polesheep wrote: »

No, you claimed that I have full responsibility for the consequences of my own decisions, I gave you an example as to why you are wrong. You are attempting to shift the goalposts by claiming a shifting of the goalposts. 🙄 I don't respond to your poorly argued nonsense but forgot on this occasion. So I'm going to leave it there and put you on ignore as you only seem to post for argument's sake.

I was talking about the actual topic of travel and its consequences. You started waffling about buying a car. Now throw a tantrum because you repeatedly cant explain how someone is FORCED to holiday against their will.

Assetbacked

RTÉ leading after the break with, emphasis added by Sharon, "World coronavirus cases surpass 15m" and "Trump says it will get worse before it gets better". Haha I think it's safe to go with the opposite of what Trump says in respect of the coronavirus crisis as a rule of thumb. The 15m point is so irrelevant by itself, like if there were 2 cases today in the world and it took us over 15m that statement would be true!

ShineOn7

Deleted User wrote: »

Skin tone influences vitamin d levels. Lighter skin tone creates more. In warm counties you get high levels of vitamin d with light skin, so humans evolved darker skin to prevent distraction of folic acid. As we moved to less sunny regions we evolved lighter skin tones. When the heavy plough was invented allowing us to till more marginal land in north west Europe and move to a more grain based diet we evolved even lighter skin to absorb more vitamin d. That’s why Scandinavians tan more than we do. The retained a large herring intake in their diet meaning they needed less vitamin d from the sun. When people move to Northern Europe from warmer climate they lose the vitamin d from the sun. Skin tone is a battle between vitamin d and folic acid

All good, valid points Rain

But the point still stands that the Irish get no Vitamin D from the sun for half the year

So we have to top it up from September to March with supplements and a better Vitamin D led diet

ceadaoin.

Onesea wrote: »

From accros the pond in the uk
They've retracted their figures from 45k to 29k.

A death rate of 0.0024% by THEIR admission.

We still know that is a lie as their tests are flawed and STILL cannot isolate covid19 from the rest of the Corona family.

However, also by their own admission, only 1379 deaths without pre-existing conditions - out of a population of 57million!

Twice as many people die a year from falling over! Shall we just ban any movement at all?!

That's a death rate of 0.0001%. And we shut the world down.

Even more crazy is the death rate of under 60 with no pre-existing conditions which is 0.000006%

1 person in 41,000 people with no KNOWN underlying conditions has died of covid!

1 person in 138,000 under 60 has died of covid!

And that is even with their flawed tests and rigged results.

We have the whole world bending over to their tyranny when you are:

10 times MORE likely to fall down the stairs

25 times MORE likely to be hit by a car

327 time MORE likely to get food poisoning

You are only 10 times more likely to die from covid than be hit by lightning!

Do you have a link to this retraction of almost 20k deaths? All I can find is that death figures are "under review"

ACitizenErased

Assetbacked wrote: »

RTÉ leading after the break with, emphasis added by Sharon, "World coronavirus cases surpass 15m" and "Trump says it will get worse before it gets better". Haha I think it's safe to go with the opposite of what Trump says in respect of the coronavirus crisis as a rule of thumb. The 15m point is so irrelevant by itself, like if there were 2 cases today in the world and it took us over 15m that statement would be true!

Wait until they find out that it's probably many multiples of 15 million

Assetbacked

WSJ article discussing how deadly covid actually is. Interesting reading

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-is-covid-19-researchers-are-getting-closer-to-an-answer-11595323801?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/nMgnF1kaVT

ShineOn7

Assetbacked wrote: »

WSJ article discussing how deadly covid actually is. Interesting reading

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-is-covid-19-researchers-are-getting-closer-to-an-answer-11595323801?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/nMgnF1kaVT

It's behind a paywall

Can you paste?

Onesea

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Do you have a link to this retraction of almost 20k deaths? All I can find is that death figures are "under review"

No sorry, this was copied from some crackpots page on Facebook. So it's prob all bs

fritzelly

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It's behind a paywall

Can you paste?

http://archive.ph/Id9tw

petes

polesheep wrote: »

So if I buy a new car and it turns out to be a lemon I shouldn't pursue the car dealer as it's entirely my responsibility for having decided to buy that car?

That's the worst analogy I've ever came across in the context of talking about something else.

Assetbacked

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It's behind a paywall

Can you paste?

Weird, it was accessible to me when I copied the link. Wonder what happened there. Now I can't copy it!

ShineOn7

Assetbacked wrote: »

Weird, it was accessible to me when I copied the link. Wonder what happened there. Now I can't copy it!

I just got a "you have been blocked" message from a Boards bot for trying to paste the article here too

Strange!

ShineOn7

I'm getting this when I tried pasting the Wall Street Journal article

I'm presuming it has some code a Boards bot doesn't like

You have been blocked

Why have I been blocked?

This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data.

Best to just read the article here http://archive.ph/Id9tw

It has some great points and data

(3 min read max too)

LiquidZeb

US2 wrote: »

Scrap the vaccine so. no point going ahead with it if you can still get reinfected

Right get on to the lads at Oxford so. Make sure to let them know you're from boards.ie, pull rank a bit.

majcos

There are numerous epidemiological reports listing ethnicity as a risk factor. C-19 is strongly suspected at this point to disproportionately affect black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) population. This can be linked to socioeconomic factors but has also been shown within the specific grouping of healthcare workers to have more severely affected BAME staff compared to Caucasian staff so cannot entirely be explained by socioeconomic factors. Over 60% of doctors in UK are white but over 90% of doctors who have died in UK are BAME.

LiquidZeb

cnocbui wrote: »

But it's not out of the DM, now is it? :rolleyes:

You do realize you posted a daily mail article link?

majcos

ShineOn7 wrote: »

All good, valid points Rain

But the point still stands that the Irish get no Vitamin D from the sun for half the year

So we have to top it up from September to March with supplements and a better Vitamin D led diet

I think Rain is referring to the even higher incidence of vitamin D deficiency in people of darker skin tone who live in Ireland. Black and Asians get even less vitamin D than the white people living here as the high melanin in their skin blocks the production of Vitamin D compounded by now living in a country with less sunshine.

SeaBreezes

majcos wrote: »

There are numerous epidemiological reports listing ethnicity as a risk factor. C-19 is strongly suspected at this point to disproportionately affect black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) population. This can be linked to socioeconomic factors but has also been shown within the specific grouping of healthcare workers to have more severely affected BAME staff compared to Caucasian staff so cannot entirely be explained by socioeconomic factors. Over 60% of doctors in UK are white but over 90% of doctors who have died in UK are BAME.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-neanderthals.html

Possible genetic connection..

A stretch of DNA linked to Covid-19 was passed down from Neanderthals 60,000 years ago, according to a new study.

Scientists don’t yet know why this particular segment increases the risk of severe illness from the coronavirus. But the new findings, which were posted online on Friday and have not yet been published in a scientific journal, show how some clues to modern health stem from ancient history.

“This interbreeding effect that happened 60,000 years ago is still having an impact today,” said Joshua Akey, a geneticist at Princeton University who was not involved in the new study.

This piece of the genome, which spans six genes on Chromosome 3, has had a puzzling journey through human history, the study found. The variant is now common in Bangladesh, where 63 percent of people carry at least one copy. Across all of South Asia, almost one-third of people have inherited the segment.

Elsewhere, however, the segment is far less common. Only 8 percent of Europeans carry it, and just 4 percent have it in East Asia. It is almost completely absent in Africa.

pjohnson

petes wrote: »

That's the worst analogy I've ever came across in the context of talking about something else.

When he dries his eyes a bit that'll be you *ignored* next.

ShineOn7

majcos wrote: »

Over 60% of doctors in UK are white but over 90% of doctors who have died in UK are BAME.

That's a mental stat. They're doctors, so a poor income doesn't come into it

Rob A. Bank

majcos wrote: »

There are numerous epidemiological reports listing ethnicity as a risk factor. C-19 is strongly suspected at this point to disproportionately affect black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) population. This can be linked to socioeconomic factors but has also been shown within the specific grouping of healthcare workers to have more severely affected BAME staff compared to Caucasian staff so cannot entirely be explained by socioeconomic factors. Over 60% of doctors in UK are white but over 90% of doctors who have died in UK are BAME.

I heard a doctor from Pakistan say on BBC news that the black and brown doctors were sent to attend the covid ward, while the white doctors were giving NHS advice over the phone.

He was very upset about it and I don't blame him.

Miike

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's a mental stat. They're doctors, so a poor income doesn't come into it

Poor income generally doesn't factor into nosocomial infections.

US2

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I heard a doctor from Pakistan say on BBC news that the black and brown doctors were sent to attend the covid ward, while the white doctors were giving NHS advice over the phone.

He was very upset about it and I don't blame him.

Link

ShineOn7

Miike wrote: »

Poor income generally doesn't factor into nosocomial infections.

Poor income factors into living conditions in many countries

And Covid loves to spread in cramped living conditions where there's, for example, far too many people in one bedroom

Miike

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Poor income factors into living conditions in many countries

And Covid loves to spread in cramped living conditions where there's, for example, far too many people in one bedroom

Sorry perhaps I've not been clear; in relation to the doctors acquiring COVID19 - It happens in a hospital / clinical environment (nosocomical infection) and income doesn't play a role in hospital acquired infections (generally speaking).

majcos

ShineOn7 wrote: »

That's a mental stat. They're doctors, so a poor income doesn't come into it

Right. You’d hope poorer income would not be the explanation for a difference within a specific group as income should be the same but this may not be entirely the case. I don’t have any specifics/figures on it but it is possible that the BAME staff are in lower level medical positions compared to white colleagues and therefore more exposed to patients directly. Sadly there has been some accusations from the BAME medical staff of poorer access to PPE and pressure to do more direct frontline duties.

cnocbui

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You do realize you posted a daily mail article link?

So what? You don't seem to know how news on the internet works or what 'source' means. The DM is not the source of this news, they are just one of many relay stations for the original source, all echoing and reporting on the original article - which if you read the article, the DM has link to:

The Times of Israel reported.

Which apart from telling you the source of the article, is also a link to it: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-doctor-diagnosed-with-virus-after-apparently-recovering-from-covid-19

So yes, I realise I posted a link to a DM article, and I don't see a problem with that.

Beasty

Deleted User wrote: »

Does the post count fall off match the rate of daily cases. It seemed a few months ago we have a new thread every few days. The R number of posts may be a reliable indicator of the current spread of the virus?

I reckon there's a fairly constant rate of traffic across the main thread and the relaxation of restrictions one. The Restrictions thread has seen a drop-off in posts as the restrictions have been relaxed, but the main thread has picked up the slack. Thread XIX lasted 22 days versus 33 days for thread XXIII. All pointing towards a second wave....:eek:

majcos

There is also a higher risk of hypertension in black population. 1.8 times as likely to be hypertensive compared to Caucasians as per this paper

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/hypertensionaha.110.163196

This has been related to ACE gene

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204127

And ACE gene which has been linked to C-19.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1684118220301092