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Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

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    #872
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    rubber duk wrote: »
    The flu is different than covid 19, but still kills between 200-500 people each year. It's not good, but it is considered acceptable. We could get that number to 0 by implementing a lockdown.
    This country signed up to a deal where we would lock down to "flatten the curve" and reduce the burden on our public health services. The curve was flattened weeks ago, public health services are practically lying idle. At what point has the government reneged on the deal and gone from flatten the curve to eradication of covid, and in the process ruined the economy. In case anyone is in any doubt, the economy of this country is well and truly shattered.
    2 week self isolation is not an adequate govt control on border admissions, this response simply unburdens them from responsibility and puts it onto individuals, which is un-acceptable. The only way to properly control border entry is to test everybody on entry.
    In Greece over the past couple of days c.20 people tested positive at the Airport and were sent back to Qatar. The government there did it's job properly.


    We have a flu vaccine and many have over the years developed immunity to flu. We really have neither for Covid-19.
    We could get flu to zero, but like Covid-19 you could not be guaranteed to keep it that way.


    I don`t know where this idea from some that the intention was to eradicate Covid-19 by using lockdown.
    Unless I am greatly mistaken the t aims were to reduce the number of infections and deaths, stop our health services being over-run and to get the numbers to a level that should there be a second wave, or an increase in transmission, to have the wriggle room to deal with it without having to resort to another full lockdown.

    We could do temperature testing at airports and port, but it is so easy for someone to medicate to get around that it would be next to useless. The only other way is to test those arriving, but what do you do with them until the test results come back?


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    #873
    rubber duk
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭rubber duk


    @charlie14 I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet.
    There is an Irish company making tests with 97 pc accuracy, results ready in 30 minutes, on site no need to send to lab etc.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/low-cost-rapid-covid-test-irish-company

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1683826/world


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    #874
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    rubber duk wrote: »
    @charlie14 I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet.
    There is an Irish company making tests with 97 pc accuracy, results ready in 30 minutes, on site no need to send to lab etc.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/low-cost-rapid-covid-test-irish-company

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1683826/world

    Yeah I read that and was quite interested as I am a former Engineer in immunology and Molecular Pathology before I went into Nuclear, I must say I am very skeptical of this.

    what drew my attention was this.
    The test developed by HiberGene works best for patients with moderate or high viral load – those who have been displaying symptoms for some days.

    The company is working with partners in Queen’s University Belfast, Genoa in Italy and China to examine its efficacy in other patient groups – particularly those who are not yet showing any symptoms associated with the virus.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/rapid-covid-19-test-by-irish-group-hibergene-gets-eu-approval-1.4257587

    Really its limited to those with a high viral load and in an advanced symptoms, unlike PCR which can determine infection before showing symptoms and in asymptomatic cases. Really you could have died before this thing shows positive.

    FDA pulled a lot of similar tests off its list recently as there was doubts in the reliability.


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    #875
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    end of the road wrote: »
    you can't catch or spread a heart attack from somebody, and the flue is not comparable to covid19.
    try again.








    you can't catch or spread drowning.

    All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.


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    #876
    robbiezero
    Registered Users Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    quokula wrote: »
    Well as long as the people who die as a result of your selfishness aren't immediate family, sure what's the harm.

    Give an estimate of the probability of someone outside his immediate family dying as a result of him visiting his immediate family for interest?


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    #877
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    rubber duk wrote: »
    The flu is different than covid 19, but still kills between 200-500 people each year. It's not good, but it is considered acceptable. We could get that number to 0 by implementing a lockdown.
    This country signed up to a deal where we would lock down to "flatten the curve" and reduce the burden on our public health services. The curve was flattened weeks ago, public health services are practically lying idle. At what point has the government reneged on the deal and gone from flatten the curve to eradication of covid, and in the process ruined the economy. In case anyone is in any doubt, the economy of this country is well and truly shattered.
    2 week self isolation is not an adequate govt control on border admissions, this response simply unburdens them from responsibility and puts it onto individuals, which is un-acceptable. The only way to properly control border entry is to test everybody on entry.
    In Greece over the past couple of days c.20 people tested positive at the Airport and were sent back to Qatar. The government there did it's job properly.


    the curve wasn't flattened weeks ago. it's only being flattened now realistically.
    if it was flattened weeks ago the lockdown would be long over.
    the economy was never going to come out unscaved no matter what we did, it was about doing whatever to lessen the damage over all.
    niallo27 wrote: »
    All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

    they aren't.
    they are providing a product which if not taken in moderation can cause those issues, which is very, very different.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #878
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Some sobering reading.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/in-six-months-we-will-be-in-the-grip-of-a-1980s-style-recession-1.4268947?mode=amp


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    #879
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Some sobering reading.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/in-six-months-we-will-be-in-the-grip-of-a-1980s-style-recession-1.4268947?mode=amp

    It's like a really slow car crash. It's coming and there isn't much we can do about it. Everyone so willing to get back to normal but so hard. Grim.


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    #880
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Is there a big risk by someone driving 300km without seeing anyone on the way, and only seeing a few family members? Probably not. If everyone did it in higher numbers? Probably.


    How?


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    #881
    oyvey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭oyvey


    niallo27 wrote: »
    All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

    You've missed the point entirely. You're just responding to one statement out of context.

    Some people are trying to compare the handling of Covid19 and heart attacks from obesity, saying that people are given the choice to do the things that cause heart attacks. The point is that you can't compare them because heart attacks are not contagious - you can do the things that cause heart attacks and the heart attack will only kill YOU. So it's pointless to compare them.

    Some people are also making some stupid comparisons like "knives kill people, should we ban knives?". The answer to that is not "ok, yeah, let the pandemic run amok so since knives kill people and we don't do anything about knives". Maybe something should be done about knives. What, I don't know, but you can't stand behind an excuse like that to give yourself license to do whatever you want.


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    #882
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Breezin wrote: »
    How?

    It’s a bit like the government coming out and saying grandkids can now hug their grandparents. Probably safe for nearly everyone in the country, but there’s a risk for some. Just hard to know who.


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    #883
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    niallo27 wrote: »
    All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.


    What get from a fast food outlet is your choice.
    You do not have that choice with Covid-19.
    The choice would highly likely be made for you by a moron who believes he/she knows best.


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    #884
    niallo27
    Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    charlie14 wrote: »
    What get from a fast food outlet is your choice.
    You do not have that choice with Covid-19.
    The choice would highly likely be made for you by a moron who believes he/she knows best.

    What if you practice social distancing, then the choice is yours.


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    #885
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 14,892 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What if you practice social distancing, then the choice is yours.


    That was the recommendation. The fact that so many choose to ignore that was why lockdown was introduced.


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    #886
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.


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    #887
    leanin2019
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.

    The limits are as the crow flies i.e. 5km radius not 5k by road.

    I think some people think otherwise and don't realise how big their 'circles' are.

    Not saying this is you but there are a few :pac:


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    #888
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Breezin


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.
    Driving 8km for a walk has the same contagion effect, which is none, of driving 208km for a walk.


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    #889
    leanin2019
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    Breezin wrote: »
    Driving 8km for a walk has the same contagion effect, which is none, of driving 208km for a walk.

    Unless you multiple this out to large groups of people from a wide geographic area congregating at popular scenic areas, all potentially opening the same gates etc and thereby increasing the contagion effect


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    #890
    Breezin
    Registered Users Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Breezin


    leanin2019 wrote: »
    Unless you multiple this out to large groups of people from a wide geographic area congregating at popular scenic areas, all potentially opening the same gates etc and thereby increasing the contagion effect


    FF said this wasn't borne out by the science. (I have to admit, I didn't see them give their source.)

    There are large groups of people at popular scenic areas already. Some have never been so busy, so it's clear that what is happening is that cooped-up crowds are being concentrated in those locations. So the risk of not travelling is probably at least as great as the risk of travel, even allowing for the fact that not all travel -- probably the lesser part, in fact -- would be to scenic locations.

    And the latest reports are saying that the chances of getting the virus via casual proximity outdoors is tiny.


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    #891
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭alentejo


    I have cycled 8 k from my house - encountered hardly anybody


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    #892
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users Posts: 5,158 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
    This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
    Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
    Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.


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    #893
    leanin2019
    Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭leanin2019


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
    This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
    Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
    Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.

    Great idea. Would save on enforcement costs so the microchipping program would probably pay for itself in no time


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    #894
    manniot2
    Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭manniot2


    I drove to Galway last weekend as hadnt seen my family in 3 months. Met them at the beach for a few hours. RTE 9pm news were doing a montage of the fine weather (showing people out and about) and there I was sitting on the wall eating an ice cream on the news haha


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    #895
    Sheep_shear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Sheep_shear


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
    This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
    Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
    Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.

    Can the microchip modify your brain, so that even attempting to shake hands will unleash a horrible, crippling pain in the individual?


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    #896
    Doff
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Doff


    Sheep_shear wrote: »
    Can the microchip modify your brain, so that even attempting to shake hands will unleash a horrible, crippling pain in the individual?




    You guys need a microchip to feel horrible, crippling pain in when socially interacting?


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    #897
    JoeLapira
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭JoeLapira


    I had been following the restrictions basically to a tee the whole way through but not anymore after last weekend. Between the March in Dublin and meeting people i know on my nearby beach, who I know are from well over 50km from the beach, ive had enough. My girlfriend lives in galway and I live in west cork, we haven't seen each other since mid march, both are front line workers and we can't wait any longer. We both have a week off June, were meant to be going on a holiday, but she's gonna come down to visit. I believe the restrictions served their purpose but that purpose is declining and we need to get this country back on its feet again.


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    #898
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    It’s a bit like the government coming out and saying grandkids can now hug their grandparents. Probably safe for nearly everyone in the country, but there’s a risk for some. Just hard to know who.

    Our government said they can hug their grandparents?? When?


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    #899
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Are there still checkpoints around the country? Wanted to go for a drive tonight, but don't fancy getting pulled over outside my 5km zone.


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    #900
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Kiith wrote: »
    Are there still checkpoints around the country? Wanted to go for a drive tonight, but don't fancy getting pulled over outside my 5km zone.

    Can't say yes or no but very few....

    Last time now I've seen one is about 2 weeks ago, I drive a lot with work and then to and from....


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    #901
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    So it seems if you are a traveller or the elite at D4 you can have as many as you like at a funeral...

    Seen a big one at Donnybrook today.

    Amazing how so many couldn't pay their last respects or get proper closure as they couldn't go....


    Very sad to be honest.


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