Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

charlie14 · 02-06-2020 4:36pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

That’s terrible and I am truly sorry that’s your situation.

However I and many others who are not in that situation will not sit indoors and stay inside a certain distance anymore, if it does not affect us or our immediate family and friends we see regularly.

If you have to stay in then stay in obviously . Why do the rest of us have to still do it for you?

Idle curiosity. If in the last few months you knew that 25,000 people in Ireland had contracted acquired human immunodeficiency virus and 1,650 had subsequently, died would you have sex with a casual friend without using protection ?

martingriff · 02-06-2020 4:52pm

I hate to break it to some people who think there rule breakers (depends where the people came from I suppose) but you can meet up with people since the 18th. The thing is the restrictions are broad and with some thought you can actually do quiet a lot.

It is great the rate is low lets hope it stays like this as more opens up. I would not worry too much as the amount getting sick as for the amount going into hospital and ICU. We will only see the reflections from the first phase from today to Thursday (we be told Friday what opens) as I would not take just a days stats.

Now I am not an angel either but I am still making sure when out and about to stay careful around people. I do believe that the roadmap with vary differently from the next stage and the only places still closed to a Stage 5 will be ones who can not open regardless. As for back to normal in terms of shopping and social distancing don't expecting anything for quiet a while

quokula · 02-06-2020 5:06pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

That’s terrible and I am truly sorry that’s your situation.

However I and many others who are not in that situation will not sit indoors and stay inside a certain distance anymore, if it does not affect us or our immediate family and friends we see regularly.

If you have to stay in then stay in obviously . Why do the rest of us have to still do it for you?

Well as long as the people who die as a result of your selfishness aren't immediate family, sure what's the harm.

CBear1993 · 02-06-2020 5:08pm

quokula wrote: »

Well as long as the people who die as a result of your selfishness aren't immediate family, sure what's the harm.

I’m so selfish that I drove 300km home to spend the bank holiday weekend in the sun with my girlfriend and interacted with no one apart from my mother , father, brother and sister .

Yes... such a demon. There are more pressing issues than this. How many people died of a heart attack or the flu in Ireland yesterday? Did it make headlines?

Time to move on.

irishgrover · 02-06-2020 5:53pm

CBear1993 wrote:

However I and many others who are not in that situation will not sit indoors and stay inside a certain distance anymore, if it does not affect us or our immediate family and friends we see regularly.
If you have to stay in then stay in obviously . Why do the rest of us have to still do it for you?

Seriously, I have no desire to insult your intelligence, but you do understand how viruses spread, yes?
All I'm advocating is continuing to listen to medical experts and not individuals like your good self....

nthclare · 02-06-2020 6:07pm

I planted up an orchard and set up an irrigation system over the last two days in West Clare.
I live in North Clare and it's eerie around Kilkee.
Up around Ennistymon there's some life and it's bustling with people walking around by the falls all within the suggested social distance requirements.

I drove to Kilkee for a takeaway and it's like the middle of the winter, and there's a heatwave.

Just a few seagulls and the odd person walking dogs or beautiful old couples enjoying the solitude.

It must be devastating to seaside towns, usually you'd hear a lot of Limerick accents bustling around town.
But at the moment it's alive with serenity but dead where visitors and tourism is concerned.

I'm looking forward to next week where I can go fishing off the rock's and venture out.
I've no interest in the hustle and bustle anyhow so all this covid 19 has done is keeping me grounded around my locality, besides my weekly shopping trip to Ennistymon.

It's a beautiful town, lot's of health shop's an old fashioned hardware store, James Devitt's is like going into a store in old Ireland
On my way home I stopped by a beautiful beach and there was nobody around absolutely dead apart from the waves lapping on the shoreline

oyvey · 02-06-2020 6:27pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

...How many people died of a heart attack or the flu in Ireland yesterday? ...

You can't spread heart attacks brainiac. And care to guess what measures you can take to mitigate against flu? I'll give you a clue, the government is trying to implement them right now.

02-06-2020 6:52pm

nthclare wrote: »

I live in North Clare and it's eerie around Kilkee.

That's because no-one will go there again after that nonsense that went down a few weeks ago.

nthclare · 02-06-2020 7:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's because no-one will go there again after that nonsense that went down a few weeks ago.

You know what, you could be right but it will get busier again soon

JL555 · 02-06-2020 7:38pm

Mr.S wrote: »

You do you, no one (probably) will stop you - if that makes you happy then obviously go ahead.

But it's a bit disrespectful to people who are actually following the governments restrictions, who haven't been close to family in months. Of course, that doesn't matter to you

We had the same reaction from a certain % of people on day 1 of the restrictions in March, blah blah OTT, i'm healthy, doesn't effect me, i'm not a sheep etc.

Most people follow the guidelines issued by the government, it's not up to an individual to decide it's time we stopped following them because they think it's ok.

I have pretty much followed the restrictions to to a tee, I don't feel disrespected one bit by someone else who drives 300km to see his nearest and dearest. It's a choice I make and a choice he makes.

I believe it is and should be up to each individual to make their own choice, as long as they are responsible and not standing in front of people until they get coughed on, or not practicing good general hygiene.

JL555 · 02-06-2020 7:42pm

oyvey wrote: »

You can't spread heart attacks brainiac. And care to guess what measures you can take to mitigate against flu? I'll give you a clue, the government is trying to implement them right now.

What are some of the main causes of heart disease leading to heart attacks? Smoking, obesity, unhealthy lifestyles. We don't ban or put extreme restrictions on those habits do we? No, we leave it to people to make their own choices, and partly because of the nice tax take the Gov gets from fags, etc etc.)

martingriff · 02-06-2020 7:55pm

nthclare wrote: »

I planted up an orchard and set up an irrigation system over the last two days in West Clare.
I live in North Clare and it's eerie around Kilkee.
Up around Ennistymon there's some life and it's bustling with people walking around by the falls all within the suggested social distance requirements.

I drove to Kilkee for a takeaway and it's like the middle of the winter, and there's a heatwave.

Just a few seagulls and the odd person walking dogs or beautiful old couples enjoying the solitude.

It must be devastating to seaside towns, usually you'd hear a lot of Limerick accents bustling around town.
But at the moment it's alive with serenity but dead where visitors and tourism is concerned.

I'm looking forward to next week where I can go fishing off the rock's and venture out.
I've no interest in the hustle and bustle anyhow so all this covid 19 has done is keeping me grounded around my locality, besides my weekly shopping trip to Ennistymon.

It's a beautiful town, lot's of health shop's an old fashioned hardware store, James Devitt's is like going into a store in old Ireland
On my way home I stopped by a beautiful beach and there was nobody around absolutely dead apart from the waves lapping on the shoreline

Well there is 1 good thing

martingriff · 02-06-2020 7:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's because no-one will go there again after that nonsense that went down a few weeks ago.

Ya right a few weeks and everyone will forgive and forget.

Damn does people wanting to stay safer

oyvey · 02-06-2020 8:15pm

JL555 wrote: »

What are some of the main causes of heart disease leading to heart attacks? Smoking, obesity, unhealthy lifestyles. We don't ban or put extreme restrictions on those habits do we? No, we leave it to people to make their own choices, and partly because of the nice tax take the Gov gets from fags, etc etc.)

Yes we f***ing do. The smoking BAN and the sugar tax.

02-06-2020 8:24pm

oyvey wrote: »

Yes we f***ing do. The smoking BAN and the sugar tax.

Those are not extreme restrictions, in covid terms it would be the equivalent of telling people to wash their hands and sneeze in their elbows.

If every life matters why don't we ban swimming and other water based activities? On average around a 100 or more die via drowning. Or do their lives simply not matter?

JL555 · 02-06-2020 8:28pm

oyvey wrote: »

Yes we f***ing do. The smoking BAN and the sugar tax.

What smoking ban? Yeah we can't can't smoke in pubs and restaurants, but that doesn't stop anybody buying them and smoking them when they want.

Sugar tax is not a ban, people can still buy crap food and drinks and consume them.

And why so angry,? what's with the expletive?

oyvey · 02-06-2020 8:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Those are not extreme restrictions, in covid terms it would be the equivalent of telling people to wash their hands and sneeze in their elbows.

If every life matters why don't we ban swimming and other water based activities? On average around a 100 or more die via drowning. Or do their lives simply not matter?

I would say the smoking ban would be more like social distancing. But clearly this gets a little subjective here.

Also, it's easy to say the smoking ban isn't extreme now. At the time, it was considered fairly extreme.

oyvey · 02-06-2020 8:45pm

JL555 wrote: »

What smoking ban? Yeah we can't can't smoke in pubs and restaurants, but that doesn't stop anybody buying them and smoking them when they want.

Sugar tax is not a ban, people can still buy crap food and drinks and consume them.

And why so angry,? what's with the expletive?

Easy with the psychological analysis there Dr.Phil, expletive does not equate to anger.:)

end of the road · 02-06-2020 8:50pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

I’m so selfish that I drove 300km home to spend the bank holiday weekend in the sun with my girlfriend and interacted with no one apart from my mother , father, brother and sister .

Yes... such a demon. There are more pressing issues than this. How many people died of a heart attack or the flu in Ireland yesterday? Did it make headlines?

Time to move on.

you can't catch or spread a heart attack from somebody, and the flue is not comparable to covid19.
try again.

Clear Air Turbulence wrote: »

Those are not extreme restrictions, in covid terms it would be the equivalent of telling people to wash their hands and sneeze in their elbows.

If every life matters why don't we ban swimming and other water based activities? On average around a 100 or more die via drowning. Or do their lives simply not matter?

you can't catch or spread drowning.

rubber duk · 02-06-2020 9:55pm

The flu is different than covid 19, but still kills between 200-500 people each year. It's not good, but it is considered acceptable. We could get that number to 0 by implementing a lockdown.
This country signed up to a deal where we would lock down to "flatten the curve" and reduce the burden on our public health services. The curve was flattened weeks ago, public health services are practically lying idle. At what point has the government reneged on the deal and gone from flatten the curve to eradication of covid, and in the process ruined the economy. In case anyone is in any doubt, the economy of this country is well and truly shattered.
2 week self isolation is not an adequate govt control on border admissions, this response simply unburdens them from responsibility and puts it onto individuals, which is un-acceptable. The only way to properly control border entry is to test everybody on entry.
In Greece over the past couple of days c.20 people tested positive at the Airport and were sent back to Qatar. The government there did it's job properly.

charlie14 · 02-06-2020 10:45pm

rubber duk wrote: »

The flu is different than covid 19, but still kills between 200-500 people each year. It's not good, but it is considered acceptable. We could get that number to 0 by implementing a lockdown.
This country signed up to a deal where we would lock down to "flatten the curve" and reduce the burden on our public health services. The curve was flattened weeks ago, public health services are practically lying idle. At what point has the government reneged on the deal and gone from flatten the curve to eradication of covid, and in the process ruined the economy. In case anyone is in any doubt, the economy of this country is well and truly shattered.
2 week self isolation is not an adequate govt control on border admissions, this response simply unburdens them from responsibility and puts it onto individuals, which is un-acceptable. The only way to properly control border entry is to test everybody on entry.
In Greece over the past couple of days c.20 people tested positive at the Airport and were sent back to Qatar. The government there did it's job properly.

We have a flu vaccine and many have over the years developed immunity to flu. We really have neither for Covid-19.
We could get flu to zero, but like Covid-19 you could not be guaranteed to keep it that way.

I don`t know where this idea from some that the intention was to eradicate Covid-19 by using lockdown.
Unless I am greatly mistaken the t aims were to reduce the number of infections and deaths, stop our health services being over-run and to get the numbers to a level that should there be a second wave, or an increase in transmission, to have the wriggle room to deal with it without having to resort to another full lockdown.

We could do temperature testing at airports and port, but it is so easy for someone to medicate to get around that it would be next to useless. The only other way is to test those arriving, but what do you do with them until the test results come back?

rubber duk · 03-06-2020 8:48am

@charlie14 I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet.
There is an Irish company making tests with 97 pc accuracy, results ready in 30 minutes, on site no need to send to lab etc.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/low-cost-rapid-covid-test-irish-company

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1683826/world

mandrake04 · 03-06-2020 9:22am

rubber duk wrote: »

@charlie14 I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet.
There is an Irish company making tests with 97 pc accuracy, results ready in 30 minutes, on site no need to send to lab etc.

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/low-cost-rapid-covid-test-irish-company

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1683826/world

Yeah I read that and was quite interested as I am a former Engineer in immunology and Molecular Pathology before I went into Nuclear, I must say I am very skeptical of this.

what drew my attention was this.

The test developed by HiberGene works best for patients with moderate or high viral load – those who have been displaying symptoms for some days.

The company is working with partners in Queen’s University Belfast, Genoa in Italy and China to examine its efficacy in other patient groups – particularly those who are not yet showing any symptoms associated with the virus.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/rapid-covid-19-test-by-irish-group-hibergene-gets-eu-approval-1.4257587

Really its limited to those with a high viral load and in an advanced symptoms, unlike PCR which can determine infection before showing symptoms and in asymptomatic cases. Really you could have died before this thing shows positive.

FDA pulled a lot of similar tests off its list recently as there was doubts in the reliability.

niallo27 · 03-06-2020 9:30am

end of the road wrote: »

you can't catch or spread a heart attack from somebody, and the flue is not comparable to covid19.
try again.

you can't catch or spread drowning.

All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

robbiezero · 03-06-2020 10:16am

quokula wrote: »

Well as long as the people who die as a result of your selfishness aren't immediate family, sure what's the harm.

Give an estimate of the probability of someone outside his immediate family dying as a result of him visiting his immediate family for interest?

end of the road · 03-06-2020 10:18am

rubber duk wrote: »

The flu is different than covid 19, but still kills between 200-500 people each year. It's not good, but it is considered acceptable. We could get that number to 0 by implementing a lockdown.
This country signed up to a deal where we would lock down to "flatten the curve" and reduce the burden on our public health services. The curve was flattened weeks ago, public health services are practically lying idle. At what point has the government reneged on the deal and gone from flatten the curve to eradication of covid, and in the process ruined the economy. In case anyone is in any doubt, the economy of this country is well and truly shattered.
2 week self isolation is not an adequate govt control on border admissions, this response simply unburdens them from responsibility and puts it onto individuals, which is un-acceptable. The only way to properly control border entry is to test everybody on entry.
In Greece over the past couple of days c.20 people tested positive at the Airport and were sent back to Qatar. The government there did it's job properly.

the curve wasn't flattened weeks ago. it's only being flattened now realistically.
if it was flattened weeks ago the lockdown would be long over.
the economy was never going to come out unscaved no matter what we did, it was about doing whatever to lessen the damage over all.

niallo27 wrote: »

All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

they aren't.
they are providing a product which if not taken in moderation can cause those issues, which is very, very different.

Plumbthedepths · 03-06-2020 10:41am

Some sobering reading.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/in-six-months-we-will-be-in-the-grip-of-a-1980s-style-recession-1.4268947?mode=amp

What Username Guidelines · 03-06-2020 10:51am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Some sobering reading.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/in-six-months-we-will-be-in-the-grip-of-a-1980s-style-recession-1.4268947?mode=amp

It's like a really slow car crash. It's coming and there isn't much we can do about it. Everyone so willing to get back to normal but so hard. Grim.

Breezin · 03-06-2020 11:47am

Mr.S wrote: »

Is there a big risk by someone driving 300km without seeing anyone on the way, and only seeing a few family members? Probably not. If everyone did it in higher numbers? Probably.

How?

oyvey · 03-06-2020 12:03pm

niallo27 wrote: »

All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

You've missed the point entirely. You're just responding to one statement out of context.

Some people are trying to compare the handling of Covid19 and heart attacks from obesity, saying that people are given the choice to do the things that cause heart attacks. The point is that you can't compare them because heart attacks are not contagious - you can do the things that cause heart attacks and the heart attack will only kill YOU. So it's pointless to compare them.

Some people are also making some stupid comparisons like "knives kill people, should we ban knives?". The answer to that is not "ok, yeah, let the pandemic run amok so since knives kill people and we don't do anything about knives". Maybe something should be done about knives. What, I don't know, but you can't stand behind an excuse like that to give yourself license to do whatever you want.

What Username Guidelines · 03-06-2020 12:15pm

Breezin wrote: »

How?

It’s a bit like the government coming out and saying grandkids can now hug their grandparents. Probably safe for nearly everyone in the country, but there’s a risk for some. Just hard to know who.

charlie14 · 03-06-2020 12:37pm

niallo27 wrote: »

All the fast food outlets spread all over the country are spreading heart disease and the possibility of an heart attack. Lets shut them down.

What get from a fast food outlet is your choice.
You do not have that choice with Covid-19.
The choice would highly likely be made for you by a moron who believes he/she knows best.

niallo27 · 03-06-2020 1:00pm

charlie14 wrote: »

What get from a fast food outlet is your choice.
You do not have that choice with Covid-19.
The choice would highly likely be made for you by a moron who believes he/she knows best.

What if you practice social distancing, then the choice is yours.

charlie14 · 03-06-2020 1:09pm

niallo27 wrote: »

What if you practice social distancing, then the choice is yours.

That was the recommendation. The fact that so many choose to ignore that was why lockdown was introduced.

amadangomor · 03-06-2020 2:03pm

Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.

leanin2019 · 03-06-2020 2:46pm

amadangomor wrote: »

Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.

The limits are as the crow flies i.e. 5km radius not 5k by road.

I think some people think otherwise and don't realise how big their 'circles' are.

Not saying this is you but there are a few :pac:

Breezin · 03-06-2020 2:49pm

amadangomor wrote: »

Going about 8km to a scenic area for a walk and probably going to the shop a little too much is as far as I've gone so far. Let the son out to play on the green with the neighbour kids yesterday for the first time.

Driving 8km for a walk has the same contagion effect, which is none, of driving 208km for a walk.

leanin2019 · 03-06-2020 2:56pm

Breezin wrote: »

Driving 8km for a walk has the same contagion effect, which is none, of driving 208km for a walk.

Unless you multiple this out to large groups of people from a wide geographic area congregating at popular scenic areas, all potentially opening the same gates etc and thereby increasing the contagion effect

Breezin · 03-06-2020 3:05pm

leanin2019 wrote: »

Unless you multiple this out to large groups of people from a wide geographic area congregating at popular scenic areas, all potentially opening the same gates etc and thereby increasing the contagion effect

FF said this wasn't borne out by the science. (I have to admit, I didn't see them give their source.)

There are large groups of people at popular scenic areas already. Some have never been so busy, so it's clear that what is happening is that cooped-up crowds are being concentrated in those locations. So the risk of not travelling is probably at least as great as the risk of travel, even allowing for the fact that not all travel -- probably the lesser part, in fact -- would be to scenic locations.

And the latest reports are saying that the chances of getting the virus via casual proximity outdoors is tiny.

alentejo · 03-06-2020 5:38pm

I have cycled 8 k from my house - encountered hardly anybody

Man Vs ManUre · 03-06-2020 7:10pm

We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.

leanin2019 · 03-06-2020 8:54pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.

Great idea. Would save on enforcement costs so the microchipping program would probably pay for itself in no time

manniot2 · 04-06-2020 8:33am

I drove to Galway last weekend as hadnt seen my family in 3 months. Met them at the beach for a few hours. RTE 9pm news were doing a montage of the fine weather (showing people out and about) and there I was sitting on the wall eating an ice cream on the news haha

Sheep_shear · 04-06-2020 8:40am

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

We need to plan now for the future and start micro-chipping all new borns. Or somehow make it part of Irish passport application that you have to be micro-chipped.
This chip can then be used to locate a person if needed, this would solve any missing person case eg Madeline McCann, the Icelandic fella.
Also this chip could be used to apply the 5/20km radius restriction. If breaches emit a sting to the brain or something that only goes away when you go back inside the radius.
Obviously this micro-chip will be controlled by a central and secret government department, and will probably have many more possibilities too.

Can the microchip modify your brain, so that even attempting to shake hands will unleash a horrible, crippling pain in the individual?

Doff · 04-06-2020 9:02am

Sheep_shear wrote: »

Can the microchip modify your brain, so that even attempting to shake hands will unleash a horrible, crippling pain in the individual?

You guys need a microchip to feel horrible, crippling pain in when socially interacting?

JoeLapira · 05-06-2020 4:11am

I had been following the restrictions basically to a tee the whole way through but not anymore after last weekend. Between the March in Dublin and meeting people i know on my nearby beach, who I know are from well over 50km from the beach, ive had enough. My girlfriend lives in galway and I live in west cork, we haven't seen each other since mid march, both are front line workers and we can't wait any longer. We both have a week off June, were meant to be going on a holiday, but she's gonna come down to visit. I believe the restrictions served their purpose but that purpose is declining and we need to get this country back on its feet again.

mirrorwall14 · 05-06-2020 7:09am

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’s a bit like the government coming out and saying grandkids can now hug their grandparents. Probably safe for nearly everyone in the country, but there’s a risk for some. Just hard to know who.

Our government said they can hug their grandparents?? When?

Kiith · 05-06-2020 3:58pm

Are there still checkpoints around the country? Wanted to go for a drive tonight, but don't fancy getting pulled over outside my 5km zone.

punisher5112 · 05-06-2020 4:42pm

Kiith wrote: »

Are there still checkpoints around the country? Wanted to go for a drive tonight, but don't fancy getting pulled over outside my 5km zone.

Can't say yes or no but very few....

Last time now I've seen one is about 2 weeks ago, I drive a lot with work and then to and from....

punisher5112 · 05-06-2020 4:44pm

So it seems if you are a traveller or the elite at D4 you can have as many as you like at a funeral...

Seen a big one at Donnybrook today.

Amazing how so many couldn't pay their last respects or get proper closure as they couldn't go....

Very sad to be honest.

Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

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