Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

fritzelly · 28-05-2020 05:33PM

Arghus wrote: »

Is that her? I think she got her questions in early. There's another female journalist who sounds just like her.

In previous briefings

Plumbthedepths · 28-05-2020 05:33PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah I understand and agree with your main point. I think people wearing masks year round in Japan too plays a part. Was there in October and loads were wearing them. Could also be similar to NZ, island nation that can control its borders compared to us being in EU, free movement of travel, travel from UK/NI etc.

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

MerlinSouthDub · 28-05-2020 05:34PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Based on confirmed cases per day, Thats still alot of people who are still dying every day RIP

According to Seamus Coffey's analysis, deaths on RIP.ie are now very close to normal levels (within a couple of deaths per day).

The official figures will take time to catch up with this due to the reporting delays. Also, because all nursing home residents have been tested there will be some deaths registered as Covid deaths who in reality would have died anyway.

So, basically ignore the daily death announcement data, it's not telling the true story.

MOR316 · 28-05-2020 05:34PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

Varadker already said that it's a possibility.
But, like you say, if Dublin is a hot spot, opening surrounding counties might not be an option

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 28-05-2020 05:35PM

Arghus wrote: »

Can other parts of the country open up quicker than others - like maybe specifically my local hairdressers, for example?

Not aimed at you but I saw a great tweet a few weeks back. Truth. :pac:

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political analyst · 28-05-2020 05:35PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Whilst an inquiry will most likely happen, the outcome will be no one accountable the fault will lie with a systematic failure and lessons will be learned.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/pearse-doherty-public-inquiry-into-nursing-home-deaths-inevitable-1002217.html

Our politicians will put the blame on Boris for our deaths for letting the Cheltenham races go ahead.

Eod100 · 28-05-2020 05:35PM

Would be like Mad Max if pubs were open in one county.. :P

lbj666 · 28-05-2020 05:36PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope or not yet anyway. Waterford will continue to be sullied by association with Dublin, Kildare etc

Do you want M9 clogged with potentially diseased undergroomed Dubs looking to get their haircut.

Harry Palmr · 28-05-2020 05:38PM

Arghus wrote: »

Is that her? I think she got her questions in early. There's another female journalist who sounds just like her.

Look out for this woman

It's Zara King

normanoffside · 28-05-2020 05:39PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I don't think it's negative more cautious. He has to warn against complacency and has to reinforce the measures need to be followed. Not sure how many of the general public watch these so if he can only convey this message to public via media it's fair enough I think.

People have been saying this for months and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

Strazdas · 28-05-2020 05:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

We don't actually know if wearing of masks is a factor or how much of a factor. Saying "the Czech Rep has a low number of cases and everyone wears a mask, therefore facemasks are obviously the reason their cases are low" may not actually be backed by evidence.

It's possible that it's bringing case numbers down but not by as much as people think.

is_that_so · 28-05-2020 05:40PM

Why is it that journalists automatically take the side of NHI? Not surprised they get robust pushback on it.

Arghus · 28-05-2020 05:40PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

I saw that episode of Prime Time. I wouldn't agree that they rubbished face masks, more that they stressed that face masks weren't as effective as the other measures like hand hygiene, social distancing and that face masks are counter productive if people wear and adjust them incorrectly. And a lot of people do use them incorrectly.

I don't think they disputed that facial coverings/masks are certainly helpful, but only in conjunction with existing measures and if used correctly.

Eod100 · 28-05-2020 05:41PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Many European countries declared an emergency and closed their borders. Czech Republic is an example, closed their borders face masks mandatory on public transport and in shops since March 9th. Interestingly only a few weeks ago on Primetime there was two Irish experts Cillian DeGascun (hope I spelt it right ) and a University professor pretty much rubbished the idea of face masks whilst a Czech Professor on screen behind them extolled the virtues of how masks caused the infection rate to plummet in the Czech Republic. As an aside most of the Czech restrictions are lifted and citizens can go on holidays to select European countries ( Ireland not being one of them).

Yeah I think there are questions about why some measures were not introduced earlier than they were. I think face coverings and passenger information form being mandatory should have been brought in from the start but maybe it's not that simple. You'd think coverings would be most effective when more cases are in community say.

is_that_so · 28-05-2020 05:41PM

lbj666 wrote: »

Do you want M9 clogged with potentially diseased undergroomed Dubs looking to get their haircut.

Sure you get that every time the Dubs play away from home!

Notmything · 28-05-2020 05:43PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Yeah I get that,

Just wondering after spending 11 weeks quarantined in their rooms, how are they Getting infected.

It has to be transmitted by staff and any new cases breaking out in care homes should have an immediate inspection of their work practices and safety procedures.

I know of workers who are still doing shifts in more than one residential centre. Wonder if this could be the cause

ACitizenErased · 28-05-2020 05:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Why is it that journalists automatically take the side of NHI? Not surprised they get robust pushback on it.

Nursing Homes Ireland seem to be playing all innocent when it is quite clear that the majority of nursing homes that were affected were woefully under-prepared.

Benimar · 28-05-2020 05:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure you get that every time the Dubs play away from home!

So, once a year then? :pac:

Eod100 · 28-05-2020 05:43PM

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been saying this for moth and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

I never said they had, my point was he needs to reinforce that the measures still need to be followed to prevent any complacency however low that risk is.

I agree public have played their part and Holohan even said that compliance has been very high, the message is to keep it up really not anything negative or critical.

Refractions · 28-05-2020 05:44PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I've been around Italians before when I was younger, pre and post football matches. It's easy when you know some of the language. Like when you can spot Spanish tourists, French, German by knowing parts of their language

Does that justify it enough, Lieutenant justify yourself to me?

Haha, at ease Corporal. I was around town that weekend too but i wasn't eavesdropping on conversations so probably didnt pick up on them.

NegativeCreep · 28-05-2020 05:45PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Look out for this woman

It's Zara King

She wishes!

beggars_bush · 28-05-2020 05:45PM

normanoffside wrote: »

People have been saying this for moth and it needs to stop.
The public have done their part and more, they have never got 'complacent'.
Tony thinks of the public as some sort of Plebs.

Nolan was saying the opposite, that it was very obvious the public were distancing themselves.

A lot of social gatherings the last few days in parks and other outdoor recreation facilities near me
Of groups greater than 10

It is much better to err on the side of caution

political analyst · 28-05-2020 05:46PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0527/1142809-social-distancing/

Fianna Fáil's Jim O'Callaghan called for restrictions to be lifted "sooner rather than later".

He said he is concerned that too much responsibility is being "casually delegated by Government to public health advisers."

Mr O'Callaghan said the Government has been "extremely cautious" to date and while the restrictions made sense in March, the process of lifting them should be expedited.

He said that the purpose of the restrictions was to stop intensive care units being overrun but they are now being used as a means to stopping people getting sick.

Mr O'Callaghan said it was also important to recognise that it is the responsibility of public health advisers to give public health advice. "It is not their job to weigh that public health advice with other factors - that is the job of Government."

He said there is a dichotomy taking place between people who are financially secure and people who are financially insecure.

On Monday, Dr Holohan said that the two-metre guidance is not a hard and fast rule, but added that his team thought it was a "reasonable compromise" given where we are currently at with the coronavirus containment.

Does Varadkar not care about ordinary people's livelihoods? Why is he afraid of the idea of reducing the rule to one or one-and-a-half metres? He's only a caretaker Taoiseach - so what has he got to lose?! Doesn't he know that advice is just that - advice?! Let the restaurants and hotels reopen!

normanoffside · 28-05-2020 05:48PM

I don't know why the Politicians and Health experts cannot just come out and say the obvious- that the disease is dying out (for now) and we can say that lifting restrictions has no effect on the spread of the disease (not just us but in all the other countries that have opened up weeks ago).

So lets open up a bit more quickly while maintaining some caution.

It's a good news story that can be claimed by all as a victory, but they are still trying to pretend that the disease is still a huge risk and massively prevalent in the community and that our own little world must stop as a result.

normanoffside · 28-05-2020 05:51PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

A lot of social gatherings the last few days in parks and other outdoor recreation facilities near me
Of groups greater than 10

It is much better to err on the side of caution

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

is_that_so · 28-05-2020 05:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Nursing Homes Ireland seem to be playing all innocent when it is quite clear that the majority of nursing homes that were affected were woefully under-prepared.

Oh yeah, somewhat holier than thou in all of this! A whole lot of issues to be examined.

Arghus · 28-05-2020 05:53PM

normanoffside wrote: »

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Onesea · 28-05-2020 05:55PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I don't know why the Politicians and Health experts cannot just come out and say the obvious- that the disease is dying out (for now) and we can say that lifting restrictions has no effect on the spread of the disease (not just us but in all the other countries that have opened up weeks ago).

So lets open up a bit more quickly while maintaining some caution.

It's a good news story that can be claimed by all as a victory, but they are still trying to pretend that the disease is still a huge risk and massively prevalent in the community and that our own little world must stop as a result.

Its dragging out a bit now.

Two a330s flying out and back from Beijing daily. 9hr flight, burning 5.5tons per hour each. With reserves and extra fuel your looking at 200tons per day of jet fuel. Then the cost of product. And flight crew+aircraft.

Can't help but feel like we are getting the piss taken out of us.

Rob A. Bank · 28-05-2020 05:56PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Can you tell us how loss of smell and taste presents?

Great question Journal.ie :rolleyes:

The question should have been "Loss of smell and taste has been known about since March, how come you are only introducing it now as an actionable symptom ?"

"There is already good evidence from South Korea, China and Italy that significant numbers of patients with proven COVID-19 infection have developed anosmia/hyposmia. In Germany it is reported that more than 2 in 3 confirmed cases have anosmia. In South Korea, where testing has been more widespread, 30% of patients testing positive have had anosmia as their major presenting symptom in otherwise mild cases."

https://www.entuk.org/loss-sense-smell-marker-covid-19-infection-0

The above was published on the 21st of March yet our CMO is going to wait until June before introducing it as an actionable symptom.

The virus will not wait for this glacial process, which typifies the CMO's response to this pandemic... always too little too late.

Onesea · 28-05-2020 05:57PM

normanoffside wrote: »

It's been widely reported at this stage that there is almost no risk of catching the disease in outdoor settings, so really, who cares?

Many will be erring on the side of caution for many years to come.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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