Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually I do, several pages back I said an enquiry will make a finding of systematic failings and lessons will be learned but no one accountable. At the moment though there is a sustained attempt to lay the blame squarely at the private facilities.

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

is_that_so

Uriel. wrote: »

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

HIQA are the ones who license them and supposedly look after that part of the sector. It's all one big mess but NHI have got their retaliation in early and often.

Plumbthedepths

Uriel. wrote: »

As far as I've seen for weeks now it's private facilities laying the blame at the State's door and accepting no responsibility whatsoever. The CEO of NHI said as much in the Dáil the other day.

But they'll continue to take their 1,200 euro a week and their service charges from residents. Shocking really.

This isn't a private facility.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0425/1134808-stmary-hospitals-deaths/

martingriff

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? The mask is, in the first instance, to protect others, not yourself. Just because it’s been on your chin it doesn’t mean it suddenly stops capturing droplets if you sneeze.

How can it stop the droplets if your mask is down by your chin also how can it stop your droplets at the same time.

Also everytime they put up and down the mask they are touching the mask and there face with there hands which could have touched god knows what in the time between touching it

martingriff

martingriff wrote: »

How can it stop the droplets if your mask is down by your chin also how can it stop your droplets at the same time.

Also everytime they put up and down the mask they are touching the mask and there face with there hands which could have touched god knows what in the time between touching it

You said masks are on people’s chins while they’re outside. And there is no need for a mask outside anyway. As long as they pull it up when they enter the store then that’s great

And as for touching the mask, that is the wearer’s issue, not yours. It will still stop droplets from being sneezing or coughed on you in an enclosed space. I really don’t see the problem in what you describe, and I know that I have done the same plenty of times

Uriel.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This isn't a private facility.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0425/1134808-stmary-hospitals-deaths/

And?

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Prime time just now has expert virologists saying exactly what I said.

In fact one of the sources they quoted is one from a study in China I posted on this board over a months ago

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113263620&postcount=1209

[QUOTE=Just a reminder that there are zero cases of spread in an outdoor environment according to one big study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....04.20053058v1

Three hundred and eighteen outbreaks with three or more cases were identified, involving 1245 confirmed cases in 120 prefectural cities. We divided the venues in which the outbreaks occurred into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and miscellaneous. Among the identified outbreaks, 53.8% involved three cases, 26.4% involved four cases, and only 1.6% involved ten or more cases. Home outbreaks were the dominant category (254 of 318 outbreaks; 79.9%), followed by transport (108; 34.0%; note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Most home outbreaks involved three to five cases. We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases.

The insistence on blaming people going outside is just a tactic to cover up government failure in controlling spread in places they should have been controlling.[/QUOTE]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

normanoffside

Arghus wrote: »

Widely reported?

Almost no risk? No, it's been suggested that there's less risk compared to indoor settings - that's not the same thing as "no risk." And there isn't conclusive data one way or the other.

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

stephenjmcd

normanoffside wrote: »

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

Was just watching that, he fairly dismissed what De Gascun had said just before him.

tom1ie

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

mloc123

tom1ie wrote: »

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Marty Bird

normanoffside wrote: »

Robert Dingwall, professor of Sociology in Nottingham University on Prime time just now saying that 'The risk of spread of Covid 19 in outdoors environment is close to Zero.

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.
Did I hear that right?

That means that the test took place in a testing center, not community transmission.

normanoffside

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

In an an indoor environment with no airflow.
It's not applicable to an outdoor environment at all.

The whole policy of keeping people indoors is proving to have been a complete farce. But any person with a modicum of common sense could have told you that in the first place.
Thankfully the science is now backing up the common sense.

normanoffside

mloc123 wrote: »

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Yes, virtually all of the cases in the last 2 weeks are from Meat plants, Hospitals and care homes/asylum homes etc.

I wish one of our useless journalists would ask this question and push the point.

stephenjmcd

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

Dingwall quickly told him he was pretty wrong. He said De Gascun was inferring that air didn't move

stephenjmcd

Huge jump

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1266115964967489539?s=19

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dingwall quickly told him he was pretty wrong. He said De Gascun was inferring that air didn't move

Air doesn't move, LOL.

tom1ie

mloc123 wrote: »

My understanding of the stats are... 40% of all, from the start are community. This used to be 60%?

Did he not specifically say “from the figures today”
If so that’s not very encouraging.
I hope I misheard.

jackboy

Marty Bird wrote: »

According to De Gascun it can stay in the air for a couple of hours if an infected person sheds doplets. What a load of shíte.

He does talk some ****e. Keeps going on about how the risk of covid spreading outside is not zero. The risk of being hit by lightning is not zero.

Why is he pushing keeping the restrictions in outdoor activities? it’s obviously not for health reasons. What’s he getting out of it?

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That means that the test took place in a testing center, not community transmission.

What?

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

What?

This has been explained multiple times.


Community transmission =/= tranmission of the virus in the community.


Community transmission = an infected person who does not know where they got infected, they cannot be tracked.


Transmission in the community = any infection that occurs outside of hospitals, long term residential settings etc.


The percentage referenced refers to transmission in the community, as it has been said many many times, transmission in the community has been 'extinguished'.

normanoffside

tom1ie wrote: »

Did he not specifically say “from the figures today”
If so that’s not very encouraging.
I hope I misheard.

Nope, he always starts with the figures from today and then starts to talk of overall stats from the start.
That's why people are always asking for them to tell us where and how the deaths and infections are coming from each day.

It can be worked out by studying in detail the stats of the HSE each day (see the posts of Shineon07 in the mathematics thread) and comparing to the previous day.

In the last 2 or 3 weeks there have been close to no infections in normal everyday setting an deaths have been almost exclusively confined to care homes (in some cases counting deaths from months ago).

eagle eye

ACitizenErased wrote:

The percentage referenced refers to transmission in the community, as it has been said many many times, transmission in the community has been 'extinguished'.

Where does it say community transmission has been extinguished?
Can you give me a link to the HSE or other official department source that stated this?

ACitizenErased

eagle eye wrote: »

Where does it say community transmission has been extinguished?
Can you give me a link to the HSE or other official department source that stated this?

Community transmission is 'very, very low' says the chief medical officer.

https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

In broad terms, we have effectively extinguished it from the community in general, right across the country. Much of the caseload that is now being reported is seen in the context of particular settings.

fritzelly

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This has been explained multiple times.

Community transmission =/= tranmission of the virus in the community.
...
....

What's that got to do with the original post?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That means that the test took place in a testing center, not community transmission.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This has been explained multiple times.


Community transmission =/= tranmission of the virus in the community.


Community transmission = an infected person who does not know where they got infected, they cannot be tracked.


Transmission in the community = any infection that occurs outside of hospitals, long term residential settings etc.


The percentage referenced refers to transmission in the community, as it has been said many many times, transmission in the community has been 'extinguished'.

I haven’t been on this forum for a while so no need for the tone thanks.

So basically the 40% that he referenced from today’s stats have occurred outside hospitals and long term residential settings etc but they do know where they got the virus correct?

normanoffside

eagle eye wrote: »

Where does it say community transmission has been extinguished?
Can you give me a link to the HSE or other official department source that stated this?

That was over a week ago
https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

ACitizenErased

fritzelly wrote: »

What's that got to do with the original post?

He said community transfer. Transfer is a synonym for transmission. The statement was false.

fritzelly

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He said community transfer. Transfer is a synonym for transmission. The statement was false.

That original post makes absolutely zero sense - maybe you should reread it