Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

tom1ie

normanoffside wrote: »

Nope, he always starts with the figures from today and then starts to talk of overall stats from the start.
That's why people are always asking for them to tell us where and how the deaths and infections are coming from each day.

It can be worked out by studying in detail the stats of the HSE each day (see the posts of Shineon07 in the mathematics thread) and comparing to the previous day.

In the last 2 or 3 weeks there have been close to no infections in normal everyday setting an deaths have been almost exclusively confined to care homes (in some cases counting deaths from months ago).

Thank you for the informative post and balanced tone.

I wish they’d make the stats a bit more digestible without having to delve into them so much.

ACitizenErased

fritzelly wrote: »

That original post makes absolutely zero sense - maybe you should reread it

So 40% of cases today are still community transfer.

He asked whether this was correct. It is not. 40% of the cases were from tests conducted in the community, not from community transfer.

ACitizenErased

Just to back up the stat given on the telly, only half of tests are actually happening outside hospitals, so the figures sort of line up.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1266100683520040961?s=20

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

I haven’t been on this forum for a while so no need for the tone thanks.

So basically the 40% that he referenced from today’s stats have occurred outside hospitals and long term residential settings etc but they do know where they got the virus correct?

Didn't mean to come across as aggressive, apologies. You are correct with the first part yes, but it is possible that there may be the odd few that are untrackable.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He asked whether this was correct. It is not. 40% of the cases were from tests conducted in the community, not from community transfer.

So the community does not include hospitals or long term residential homes. Yeah?

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Didn't mean to come across as aggressive, apologies. You are correct with the first part yes, but it is possible that there may be the odd few that are untrackable.

Well if they’re untrackable surely that means they’ve been the victim of community transfer?
So is community transfer extinguished or is it not?

fritzelly

tom1ie wrote: »

So the community does not include hospitals or long term residential homes. Yeah?

If it occurs in hospital etc then there is a good chance the original infectee is a known entity within the hospital (local transmission) vs community where you could have picked up it walking down the street, doing some shopping....so unknown

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

Well if they’re untrackable surely that means they’ve been the victim of community transfer?
So is community transfer extinguished or is it not?

They said it's extinguished for the large part yes. I simply don't have the figures to state that it is entirely gone. I was just stating that there may be the odd few, because I genuinely don't know.

ElTel

tom1ie wrote: »

Thank you for the informative post and balanced tone.

I wish they’d make the stats a bit more digestible without having to delve into them so much.

Yeah it's really poor.
Northern Ireland's dept. of health dashboard puts them to shame.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

eagle eye

normanoffside wrote:

That was over a week ago

That doesn't say that it's extinguished, it says effectively extinguished.

Just today we were told that community transmission remains very low at about 50 cases per day, that's not extinguished.

fritzelly

ElTel wrote: »

Yeah it's really poor.
Northern Ireland's dept. of health dashboard puts them to shame.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZGYxNjYzNmUtOTlmZS00ODAxLWE1YTEtMjA0NjZhMzlmN2JmIiwidCI6IjljOWEzMGRlLWQ4ZDctNGFhNC05NjAwLTRiZTc2MjVmZjZjNSIsImMiOjh9

Been terrible from the start and only barely getting a bit better
How long did it take to get a county breakdown, a proper age breakdown...

normanoffside

Peter Burke being made a fool of on The tonight show just now.

On asked why certain stores can open and other can't he talks about how only opening certain store restricts movement and congregation of the population.

Countered by Ergon Morgentorth professor of Economics in DCU who explains that if you only open a few places open then people are congregated in them, presenting a much bigger risk as opposed to opening any shops as long as they enforce social distancing in which case there are lower congregations of people.

Again it's a case of common sense not being that common in our political leaders.

tom1ie

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They said it's extinguished for the large part yes. I simply don't have the figures to state that it is entirely gone. I was just stating that there may be the odd few, because I genuinely don't know.

No that’s fair enough but I mean saying something is extinguished when it’s actually only nearly gone is a bit misleading.
If it’s still out there, people should be aware so that it doesn’t flare back up.

fritzelly

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't say that it's extinguished, it says effectively extinguished.

Just today we were told that community transmission remains very low at about 50 cases per day, that's not extinguished.

The number of private household clusters over the past week has been rising every day
Now those numbers are clumped in with Others and only gives a breakdown of hospital/home care settings and workplace

Are they trying to hide something?

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

No that’s fair enough but I mean saying something is extinguished when it’s actually only nearly gone is a bit misleading.
If it’s still out there, people should be aware so that it doesn’t flare back up.

Completely agree. They act all confused then when people are out partying and stuff. They listen to what is said.

normanoffside

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't say that it's extinguished, it says effectively extinguished.

Just today we were told that community transmission remains very low at about 50 cases per day, that's not extinguished.

50 cases per day is clearly the average number of cases we have had for the last few weeks.
If you exclude meat plants and health services we would have close no cases.

tom1ie

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't say that it's extinguished, it says effectively extinguished.

Just today we were told that community transmission remains very low at about 50 cases per day, that's not extinguished.

50? Where are you getting that.
Jesus. Some lads are saying it’s extinguished when it’s not others are saying the other extreme.
I knew I stopped reading this poxy thread for a reason it’s full of bull.

ACitizenErased

eagle eye wrote: »

That doesn't say that it's extinguished, it says effectively extinguished.

Just today we were told that community transmission remains very low at about 50 cases per day, that's not extinguished.

If we had 50 community transmission cases the country would be shut down immediately. This isn't true.

eagle eye

normanoffside wrote:

50 cases per day is clearly the average number of cases we have had for the last few weeks. If you exclude meat plants and health services we would have close no cases.

Do we are supposed to exclude meat plants now too? Are they all staying together and not going home after their day's work?

ACitizenErased

eagle eye wrote: »

Do we are supposed to exclude meat plants now too? Are they all staying together and not going home after their day's work?

All contacts are now being tested too, meaning transmission in the community is reduced even further.

eagle eye

ACitizenErased wrote:

If we had 50 community transmission cases the country would be shut down immediately. This isn't true.

Rte. ie/amp/1143206
Can't out in the link properly on the phone app or it disappears.

ACitizenErased

eagle eye wrote: »

Rte. ie/amp/1143206
Can't out in the link properly on the phone app or it disappears.

He said the level of disease in the community remains "very low" at around 50 cases per day.

is a general statement by Prof. Nolan to say we have an average of 50 cases per day. It has nothing to do with community cases or residential cases etc.

tom1ie

eagle eye wrote: »

Rte. ie/amp/1143206
Can't out in the link properly on the phone app or it disappears.

But there were 38 cases today (worldometers) no? (Although think I seen 47 in the journal) So where are u getting 50 community cases?

ACitizenErased

tom1ie wrote: »

But there were 38 cases today (worldometers) no? (Although think I seen 47 in the journal) So where are u getting 50 community cases?

Our average cases per day over the last 7 days is 50.

fritzelly

tom1ie wrote: »

But there were 38 cases today (worldometers) no? (Although think I seen 47 in the journal) So where are u getting 50 community cases?

8 cases were denotified (double counting etc)

normanoffside

eagle eye wrote: »

Do we are supposed to exclude meat plants now too? Are they all staying together and not going home after their day's work?

Meat plants were always considered and essential service and will continue to be. Even in complete lockdown they were open. Infections in meat plants are not a reflection on any restrictions being relaxed.

You will also note that no deaths are being reported from meat plants given that the employees are generally of a young/working age so it is really not just any kind of risk. It's great that we are now finding these cases and asking them to isolate so that they don't infect more vulnerable people.
It's a case of it being a good thing that we are finding these cases because without testing them they may not have even realised they had it and in turn have infected their elderly relatives.

fritzelly

There was one death associated with a worker from a meat plant

normanoffside

eagle eye wrote: »

Do we are supposed to exclude meat plants now too? Are they all staying together and not going home after their day's work?

By the way, my dad is 72 and still works in a meat plant (in the sense that he will go back after this is over).
When this whole thing kicked off we had to convince him not to go back to work.
He's a pig headed man but thankfully in the end he decided not to go back to work after the lock-down started. It was pretty obvious that those plants would be a source of infection even though government was saying at the tie that it was all fine.

Again this is a case of common sense of the people, not the government who were telling everything was grand.

fritzelly

If there is one good thing to come out of all this - as bad as it has been in some countries it could have been far worse - is that every country should make plans and put in to place procedures and laws for the next one so there is no dilly dallying around about what to do next time
It's been a good learning curve for many countries who have never experienced anything like this (pretty much every country)

As some experts are saying these viruses are coming faster and faster

Either that or we cut off all ties with countries who foster backward practices to minimize the risks

ACitizenErased

fritzelly wrote: »

If there is one good thing to come out of all this - as bad as it has been in some countries it could have been far worse - is that every country should make plans and put in to place procedures and laws for the next one so there is no dilly dallying around about what to do next time
It's been a good learning curve for many countries who have never experienced anything like this (pretty much every country)

As some experts are saying these viruses are coming faster and faster

Either that or we cut off all ties with countries who foster backward practices to minimize the risks

Agreed. Some country's handling of this shows that world preparedness was not the best.