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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #9302
    Chosenwan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Chosenwan


    fritzelly wrote: »
    The app is literally something any competent programmer could code up in a few days - was first talked about weeks ago and said to be ready within a week or so...

    They could have easily licensed the S Korean software - something that just works and damn well

    Also didn't need consent - they could have added anonymous data showing confirmed cases in your area within a hundred meters or so - you know with the intention of alerting people that there are confirmed cases nearby so be extra careful when out in public

    Isn't apple and.google cooperating on it?


  • #9303
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Would 15 be the average or the median?

    Asking for a friend...

    haha still giggling with some outliers it has lasted up to 60years...


  • #9304
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Flu like symptoms with breathing difficulties, very likely it was the virus.

    You said they tested negative so I would say it was very likely it was not the virus. unless you know more than the prevailing medical opinion that you are not sharing?


  • #9305
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    I'm not sure if there are clinical trials within Ireland related to covid 19.

    Clinical trails are starting in St Vincent's University Hospital in Dublin and University Hospital Galway


  • #9306
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,204 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Chosenwan wrote: »
    Isn't apple and.google cooperating on it?

    By the time it's ready it will all be over
    It need not be anything more than an heat map - plenty of companies out there have code to do it. You just need to enter the numbers - it's really simple stuff.


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  • #9307
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    fritzelly wrote: »
    The app is literally something any competent programmer could code up in a few days - was first talked about weeks ago and said to be ready within a week or so...

    They could have easily licensed the S Korean software - something that just works and damn well

    Also didn't need consent - they could have added anonymous data showing confirmed cases in your area within a hundred meters or so - you know with the intention of alerting people that there are confirmed cases nearby so be extra careful when out in public

    I thought the idea of this software was that they could backtrack a few days and tell you if a known case was close to you, at the time they were probably shedding virus.


  • #9308
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    wakka12 wrote: »
    New York has an unbelievably high positive testing rate

    Of the 418,000 tests performed 172,000 were positive . 41% positive. I cant think of any country in the world that has anywhere close to level of tests returning positve

    EDIT. Okay actually Spain is higher at 44% positive ...and France not that far behind at 37% positive

    UK are testing at 42% positive on daily tests.


  • #9309
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Would 15 be the average or the median?

    Asking for a friend...


    Is your friend George Lee?


  • #9310
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Feck. Somebody I went to primary school with who is living in the UK has coronavirus. Late 30s. In a coma. No underlying condition. Was in a public-facing job. I’m really shocked.

    The capriciousness of this virus is scary.


  • #9311
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/simulation-research-shows-covid-19-can-spread-farther-by-those-exercising-outdoors

    Belgian and Dutch researchers prove that joggers and those exercising outdoors do in fact carry risk of infecting others. A slipstream created by the person running forward can carry respiratory droplets up to 65ft behind them. The faster the person is running, the farther the droplets will fly behind them. Rsearchers advise not walking/running directly behind a person running. The more humid the environment the longer the droplets will stay in the air.


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  • #9312
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Westernyelp wrote: »
    You said they tested negative so I would say it was very likely it was not the virus. unless you know more than the prevailing medical opinion that you are not sharing?

    It was a probably a false negative. It does happen with these tests.


  • #9313
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    How many times did George Lee ask that stupid question on the figures? Tony should have said sorry, go back and have a good think there


  • #9314
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Watching Contagion. Why am I doing this to myself?

    I watched Contagion a few years ago and found it to be a good movie, but kinda boring and filled with technobabble.

    I watched it again the other night and was hanging on every word!


  • #9315
    Chosenwan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Chosenwan


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    I thought the idea of this software was that they could backtrack a few days and tell you if a known case was close to you, at the time they were probably shedding virus.

    The thing.google and apple are working.on involves Bluetooth


  • #9316
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    I’ve had the BCG vaccine in fact most of us have. Do we need a top up?
    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Unproven as of yet. There was talk of a correlation but different countries have had different bcg programs. The UK had a program so you'd think their numbers would be down.

    The only thing proven to work so far is a substantial lockdown. The UK have discovered that a bit late.
    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Um the republic have a program too, I got it as a baby.

    Australia is trialing BCG vaccine in their health care workers already.


  • #9317
    briancoolcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭briancoolcat


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    He's a deranged lunatic. Yeah it used to be funny but it's a little bit frightening now. The really sad thing is his polling numbers are the highest they've ever been. Don't be surprised if he nukes China I'm deadly serious.

    That's the unknown with him in charge unfortunately. All of us here on boards are arguing over the numbers and percentages and statistics and can only do our best to stick to what we are being advised to do to slow this virus down. It won't amount to a hill of beans if Trump decides to start a nuclear war with China. Im watching what is happening in the US right now like a hawk because what happens there in the next few months decides our fate in little old Ireland.


  • #9318
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    MD1990 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

    I just can't be watching any more of Trump. LOL at this nonsense and claptrap from that American tinker. America is so fcuked.


  • #9319
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Cody montana wrote: »
    USA
    Coronavirus Cases:
    500,879

    Deaths:
    18,637

    Not sure new case numbers are that relevant any more as countries have differet methodologies. The UK has conducted limited testing for example.

    More accurate is to take the generally accepted death rate of 1% for larger countries and extrapolate to get the likely figure of cases. So for the UK its likely the have at least 1 million cases, Italy close to 2 million and the US close to 2 million.


  • #9320
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-idUSKCN21S15X

    South Korea is reporting reinfections, although for some reason they're calling it a "reactivation". Maybe because it's the same infection flaring up rather than a new one.

    Still, troubling development if it can restart itself even when you feel better. If this proves to be an issue, it will have implications for restriction of movement even when people are recovered.


  • #9321
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    For the day that's in it....

    134.png

    ;)


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  • #9322
    Caquas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I don't think tests are all that accurate. I know someone who came back from holidays and definitely had symptoms and got a negative result.

    This is a major problem- the tests are not very reliable
    Early reports from China suggest its sensitivity, meaning how well it is able to return positive results when the virus is present, is somewhere around 60 to 70 percent.

    The picture is improving but the problem will remain
    https://www.france24.com/en/20200410-how-false-negatives-are-complicating-covid-19-testing


  • #9323
    Minnie Snuggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Minnie Snuggles


    Westernyelp wrote: »
    You said they tested negative so I would say it was very likely it was not the virus. unless you know more than the prevailing medical opinion that you are not sharing?

    I maybe wrong, but a negative test simply means when the test was taken, the virus was not present at that point in time, it could very well mean that the person has recovered.


  • #9324
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Not sure new case numbers are that relevant any more as countries have differet methodologies. The UK has conducted limited testing for example.

    More accurate is to take the generally accepted death rate of 1% for larger countries and extrapolate to get the likely figure of cases. So for the UK its likely the have at least 1 million cases, Italy close to 2 million and the US close to 2 million.

    The death rate won't be accurate either. Someone dies without a test done? Do you want to prevent a test on a living person to ensure you get the stats right for dead?

    Many places have far higher rates of deaths coming through than usual and some are only recording hospital deaths. Some record nursing homes etc. So even that is a bit of an iffy metric.


  • #9325
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Australia is trialing BCG vaccine in their health care workers already.

    If it works for them great. Not seeing any correlation personally. The UK had mass vaccination up to 15 years ago so you'd expect lower death rates among the elderly and middle aged which is predominately those who die from cv19.


  • #9326
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The death rate won't be accurate either. Someone dies without a test done? Do you want to prevent a test on a living person to ensure you get the stats right for dead?

    Many places have far higher rates of deaths coming through than usual and some are only recording hospital deaths. Some record nursing homes etc. So even that is a bit of an iffy metric.

    It is probably decently accurate in countries less overrun at the moment but yeh death rates in west european countries seem to be underestimated by at least a third if only counting hospital deaths


  • #9327
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Clinical trails are starting in St Vincent's University Hospital in Dublin and University Hospital Galway

    I am not sure testing snails will help.


  • #9328
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Christy42 wrote: »
    The death rate won't be accurate either. Someone dies without a test done? Do you want to prevent a test on a living person to ensure you get the stats right for dead?

    Many places have far higher rates of deaths coming through than usual and some are only recording hospital deaths. Some record nursing homes etc. So even that is a bit of an iffy metric.

    I agree with you. The problem is bad in Italy and UK of people dying outside of hospitals without being tested or included in figures . Thats why I said at least 1 million cases for the UK. There is no way confirmed cases are realistic and the truth is many times higher.


  • #9329
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Australia is trialing BCG vaccine in their health care workers already.
    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    If it works for them great. Not seeing any correlation personally. The UK had mass vaccination up to 15 years ago so you'd expect lower death rates among the elderly and middle aged which is predominately those who die from cv19.

    Because the vaccine isn't as effective the longer you have had it and booster shots are less commonly given. So if a 60 year old got the vaccine 50 years ago and didn't get a booster shot, it would be less effective. So yes there is a correlation.


  • #9330
    Tippex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Tippex


    fritzelly wrote: »
    The app is literally something any competent programmer could code up in a few days - was first talked about weeks ago and said to be ready within a week or so...

    They could have easily licensed the S Korean software - something that just works and damn well

    Also didn't need consent - they could have added anonymous data showing confirmed cases in your area within a hundred meters or so - you know with the intention of alerting people that there are confirmed cases nearby so be extra careful when out in public

    Not as simple as you are making out.
    Myself and my business partner have both tried to get the source code that has been mentioned as it is being “open sourced” but neither of us have received a response. The idea was that it would be a full contact tracing platform


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  • #9331
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Read the Uk are going to be in lockdown for a year.


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