CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

JP Liz V1

BanditLuke wrote: »

He was in for another procedure and they teated him.

Yes I think Kenny was in for intravenous antibiotics for an infection and was tested as a precaution

tobefrank321

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

The criteria changed but still testing back log yet test centres closed as not enough for testing, what am I missing, it our testing fcuked up, a mess

That's true. And when your testing becomes fcuked up so also does your contact tracing. Long delays in results mean long delays in contact tracing. Someone said earlier that they are only starting to do contact tracing on the German cases now, even though some of the tests are weeks old.

Strazdas

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is 150 the number dead from nursing homes?

Yes, 156 I think Dr Holohan said this evening

MD1990

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

eddie73

Caquas wrote: »

Here’s the Taoiseach’s statement today announcing another three weeks of shutdown.

Why? “ medical experts”.

What’s the plan? Nada.

This decision was probably unavoidable but the Taoiseach must give leadership, show vision, explain how we will get out of this disaster. Not “here’s what the doctors ordered” so let’s sit around while the economy vanishes before our eyes.

What will happen on the 6th. of May? My guess? Fiddly changes relaxing some restrictions because we all be ready to revolt. But our economy will be destroyed by June.

http://https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/a7249f-speech-by-the-taoiseach-with-update-on-latest-covid-19-public-health/

With two Seamus Heaney quotes. Guess which one is genuine?

Thats a bit harsh. The plan is to survive this. Keep the numbers low for as long as possible before going back to brass tax, in as organised fashion as u can under the circumstances.

What would u suggest?

(I know u r not leading the country so u don't need to say 'It's not my job to.....'.)

JP Liz V1

tobefrank321 wrote: »

That's true. And when your testing becomes fcuked up so also does your contact tracing. Long delays in results mean long delays in contact tracing. Someone said earlier that they are only starting to do contact tracing on the German cases now, even though some of the tests are weeks old.

The app for contact tracing will more likely never happen here

iggy

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We are just about keeping a lid on this with a lockdown.

What do you think happens when we lift that lockdown?

Do you think a lockdown is sustainable longterm, economically? Or socially in terms of people wanting to visit friends or relatives?

The numbers are still high and Holohan and Nolan admitted they are only catching about 50% of cases.

I don't think realistically there is the slightest hope of restrictions being eased anytime soon. If anything they could get more restrictive.

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Restrictions will be in place until a vaccine available.
That's basically it.
Let's get used to restrictions being eased then locked down again. Rinse and repeat until vaccine.

2020 is a write off.
Can't wait for 2021

Mwengwe

Wibbs wrote: »

Look head I get you. I really do. If I were 22 again, especially in how society has evolved over the last decade or so, I would be sh1tting myself. It is a lot more high stress oh christ I have to get my ducks in a row yesterday than it was. The things I expected out of life, a job, a gaff etc, are not so clearcut today. Not when someone outa college is looking down the barrel of Dublin rents for shoeboxes. Your average middle aged type tends not to see this. And I speak as one. I certainly don't envy you LZ on that score at least.

Now speaking as an middle aged cnut, because I am one, and I know you won't believe me, I sure as hell wouldn't at 22. Or now for that matter... but when you look back on this you will likely go "jaysus that was a pain in the arse, but..." and the rest of your life will tend to look pretty OK. You'll almost certainly be in a place different than you think, and that's good too.

Yeah I'm not really sure about this, or the condescending replies he's getting elsewhere...
Even if this pandemic peters out somehow we've all still got climate collapse to look forward to. Not a great time at the moment to be young and retain optimism.

tobefrank321

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So a vaccine....

Ah now. You know a vaccine is made up of inactive DNA from the virus along with other agents. Others might explain it better. Generally vaccines are quite complex.

Whole different ballgame to giving someone a low dose of a virus.

Similar but different.

Unfortunately we don't have a vaccine yet. Who knows if a low dose would act like a vaccine, there's more research needed.

I was just pointing to some experts who say that viral load may make the difference between a severe or mild form of this.

threeball

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

Sweet mother of jesus

Rotweiler

Plus 1500
Great.


I want to slap on their faces who complain on biking forums how they "miss their training program" or "I have to see my granma on Easter"

The problem is not idiots dying, its when they take another 10 with them.

fr336

Caquas wrote: »

What will happen on the 6th. of May? No clue. My guess? Fiddly changes relaxing some restrictions because we’ll all be ready to revolt. But our economy will be destroyed by June.

What do you suggest? How many thousands of deaths are we talking which would be "worth it"? This is an unprecedented once in a lifetime situation and I don't envy world leaders right now. What if there were bombs coming out of the sky? Would we carry on as normal? Economies shut down during the world war - nowadays we can't even cope with a few weeks of lockdown. I also find it bemusing how we are apparently so technologically advanced yet the economy crumbles apart without daily face to face contact. Perhaps it was rather fragile, lacking innovation and short termist in the first place.

r93kaey5p2izun

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

Good jesus. What a thick.

Away With The Fairies

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

What an idiot

Professor Moriarty

Any Shinner bots around? They add so much to the discussion.

An Ri rua

Seamai wrote: »

Spanish fly? I see you fixed that.

Incisive contribution there Déanaí.

mosii

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/south-korea-reports-recovered-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again-idUSKCN21S15X

I HOPE NOT

Quantum Erasure

MipMap wrote: »

...
Yet our Journos are all excited about whether the number is 7,000 or 8,000

well, its the difference between 14,000 or 16,000 real cases...

wakka12

Shift worldwide is really moving away from western Europe as cases there drop and cases elsewhere rise. Of the 20 countries with the highest number of cases today, 10 were West European, 2 North American, 2 Middle Eastern, 1 Asian, 1 East European, 4 South American

New Home

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

Has anyone ever tested him for Mad Cow? It's the only thing that would actually made sense. Either that, or he's Nero reincarnate.

cloudatlas

I’ve had the BCG vaccine in fact most of us have. Do we need a top up?

BanditLuke

mosii wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/south-korea-reports-recovered-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again-idUSKCN21S15X

I HOPE NOT

Ah here, fcuk this virus. Can we catch a bloody break for christ sake :mad:

Why am i getting a bad feeling this is some sort of bio weapon and we aren't been given the full story. Feck this im off to bed before i end up like David Ike

Ace2007

wakka12 wrote: »

Shift worldwide is really moving away from western Europe as cases there drop and cases elsewhere rise. Of the 20 countries with the highest number of cases today, 10 were West European, 2 North American, 2 Middle Eastern, 1 Asian, 1 East European, 4 South American

Just on this - when you say cases dropped - is that a numerical number or a % growth?

Like growth is more than likely always going to drop, as there are only so many tests you can do a day, and if large numbers have it - you'll never get over x%

for example if you had 100,000 confirmed cases and Italy could only give results for 10,000 a day - if 20% of them got it - overall it's only a 2% increases, but if they could do 50,000 cases, then maybe overall increase would be 10%

Quantum Erasure

sideswipe wrote: »

Well that didn’t help much.......the question now is keep drinking or go to bed?

have another one, then bed.

I think I'll stay off it myself for the next three / four weeks

BanditLuke

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1248699275355328512

There are no words.

wakka12

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just on this - when you say cases dropped - is that a numerical number or a % growth?

Like growth is more than likely always going to drop, as there are only so many tests you can do a day, and if large numbers have it - you'll never get over x%

for example if you had 100,000 confirmed cases and Italy could only give results for 10,000 a day - if 20% of them got it - overall it's only a 2% increases, but if they could do 50,000 cases, then maybe overall increase would be 10%

Yeh I get what you mean but I mean numerical number . Italy, Germany, Spain all reporting generally a lot lower daily totals now than they did over the past few weeks

cloudatlas

cloudatlas wrote: »

I’ve had the BCG vaccine in fact most of us have. Do we need a top up?

Its good for 10 to 20 years depending on the research you read, with 15 apparently the most agreed on figure, not knowing your age can't say.

MipMap

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

well, its the difference between 14,000 or 16,000 real cases...

Actually to them they are not so concerned about these asymptomatic or mild cases because their over riding concern (rightly) is the fear that the health service will become overwhelmed. It won't with mild or asymptomatic
cases cos they never even get to be seen or tested.
They do, however, get to spread the virus to others.
The numbers confirmed are important only if everyone who presents with symptoms is tested. If there is a backlog or delays or the criteria set are incorrect then confirmed numbers become meaningless.

In Sweden and Germany they are getting off lightly because they have excellent health services and this makes a huge difference to the death rates.

Funsterdelux

New Home wrote: »

Has anyone ever tested him for Mad Cow? It's the only thing that would actually made sense. Either that, or he's Nero reincarnate.

You'd probably get more sense from a mad cow.

Wolf359f

mosii wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea/south-korea-reports-recovered-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive-again-idUSKCN21S15X

I HOPE NOT

What's the chances they were all false positives initially and then actually got infected?