CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

31-03-2020 05:09PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I had really hoped to see a big drop but that is heartbreaking.

Fcuk this virus

About the same as yesterday then. It could be that other regions cases are rising to keep up the overall national number. Lombardy's new cases, the original epicentre and hardest hit, are definitely dropping which is a bit of good news.

stephenjmcd · 31-03-2020 05:10PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Fcuking hell. The test kits are faulty.

Just the other day, testing centres closed because they ran out from tests. Now tests are faulty. Are these new tests and did they come in of the flight from china?

I'd highly doubt they're faulty, they were vetted by gov and are on the WHO supplier list.

If anything I wouldn't put it past being the kits that cosgrave was banging on about being donated by a Chinese businessman, a few other European countries saying the kits are faulty

Cork Boy 53 · 31-03-2020 05:11PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Fcuking hell. The test kits are faulty.

Just the other day, testing centres closed because they ran out from tests. Now tests are faulty. Are these new tests and did they come in of the flight from china?

No. What has arrived and will be arriving from China is PPE equipment (masks, gloves, goggles etc). The testing kits are sourced elsewhere.

bb12 · 31-03-2020 05:11PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yeah this is true. I live in the country and my neighbour goes for an 11 mile cycle loop on very quiet country roads.
I think he repeats the loop to get in some mileage. I have zero problem with it. Why?
1. It's none of my business
2. It doesn't risk himself or anyone else

so he's cycling along the lovely country lanes, coughs, splutters or spits and it lands on a field gate. it's the busiest time of the year for farming, so farmer comes along, opens said field gate and voila they are infected.

most farmers work alone so you've just taken a food producer out of circulation and probably risked the lives of many animals as it's right bang in the middle of calving and lambing season right now.

iamwhoiam · 31-03-2020 05:11PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Absolutely everyone I know and all around me are doing what is asked of them
The vast majority are being reasonable

paleoperson · 31-03-2020 05:11PM

bb12 wrote: »

so he's cycling along the lovely country lanes, coughs, splutters or spits and it lands on a field gate. it's the busiest time of the year for farming, so farmer comes along, opens said field gate and voila they are infected.

most farmers work alone so you've just taken a food producer out of circulation and probably risked the lives of many animals as it's right bang in the middle of calving and lambing season right now.

Stop, you are making me laugh. :pac:

jackboy · 31-03-2020 05:12PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Just listening to Drivetime on RTE radio. Seems to be pretty serious issues with testing in this country with test centres closing due to faulty test kits/lack of test kits and then big backlog in analysing the tests that are actually carried out.

Very serious. How can we ever ease off the restrictions if we have no accurate way of testing sufficient numbers?

citysights · 31-03-2020 05:12PM

Worldometers have changed their reporting to include the date of first reported case in each country, unless it was always there and I just hadn’t noticed ( didn’t think it was though)

MD1990 · 31-03-2020 05:13PM

day 23 of Italy's lockdown.
still 800+ deaths. I know there is a lag & it is leveling off.

But very disapointing there is not drop off like in china.

bekker · 31-03-2020 05:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What is today's recovered figure?

AFAIK there isn't any available in Ireland.

Seems to be presumed that if you've tested 'Positive' and your're still alive 14 days later, you've 'Recovered'.

No tests being done on people being discharged from hospital, which I got from half-attention to questions at yesterday's briefing.

There was a figure of 5 on John Hopkins virtually from the start but where it came from don't know it hasn't increased though.

Don't understand why no testing on discharge though, see to remember something about two time spaced clear tests before discharge but that was waaay back.

TOMs WIFE · 31-03-2020 05:14PM

paleoperson wrote: »

You can't spread or receive the virus by going on the road in a car or by walking in an area where there is nobody within 100 metres.

paleoperson wrote: »

Let them do the same and absolve themselves, it won't make any difference to the spread of the virus. Besides they don't know where I'm going, for all they know I'm heading off to the groceries.

I think people should concentrate on actual ways they could potentially spread or pick up the virus.

paleoperson wrote: »

Stop, you are making me laugh. :pac:

Why oh why are there so many knobs that just can't do what the authorities are asking them to do in the interests of us all.

kilkenny31 · 31-03-2020 05:14PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Exactly. The same people were shouting about people going to the beach a week ago saying that we would be Italy by this week because of it. These people are almost disappointed that we are not . I went to that beach over that weekend and everyone was observing social distancing. Now that nobody is going to the beach they want to complain about their neighbour who walked 2.3km away or the family who walked three abreast so they had to step onto the grass. We are doing a fantastic job as a nation. I'm for the measures put in place. But the original measures were probably enough for Ireland.

otnomart · 31-03-2020 05:14PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It would be great if I lived alone but I don't. My housemate came out of their bedroom and into the kitchen, emptied the dishwasher without washing their hands. They presumed they was clean coming out of their bedroom, emptied the dishwasher and touched everything. If they had the virus, they were only transferring it to everything they were taking out and putting away. I'm doing so much cleaning, before, during and after I eat. Cleaning door knobs and presses, and washing hands as well. I've been fairly OCD lately with all this.

Sorry to hear about your reckless flatmate.
I raised earlier the issue that (despite Ireland having a low density) Dublin as London as a high percentage of accomodation sharing (compared to other European cities), and it is not easy at all to social distance in a house share.

Nollog · 31-03-2020 05:14PM

AdamD wrote: »

Jesus if you read this thread you'd swear nobody was adhering to the rules and guidance in place. Hysterical nonsense. People are doing their part, some just enjoy spreading misery on here.

Better than spreading covid

paleoperson · 31-03-2020 05:15PM

MD1990 wrote: »

day 23 of Italy's lockdown.
still 800+ deaths. I know there is a lag & it is leveling off.

But very disapointing there is not drop off like in china.

It's only leveling off because of the lockdown and the fact that there aren't as many potential new people to infect. It could very well end up that 70% of people end up infected.

This idea that we'll be over the worst of it in two weeks and it'll be plain sailing after that is hocus pocus nonsense.

DOCARCH · 31-03-2020 05:15PM

jackboy wrote: »

Very serious. How can we ever ease off the restrictions if we have no accurate way of testing sufficient numbers?

Fergal Bowers said this morning that it's the number of hospital and ICU admissions (and deaths) that needs to be focused on (rather than the number of confirmed cases, due to issues with the tests/getting test results).

stephenjmcd · 31-03-2020 05:16PM

bekker wrote: »

AFAIK there isn't any available in Ireland.

Seems to be presumed that if you've tested 'Positive' and your're still alive 14 days later, you've 'Recovered'.

No tests being done on people being discharged from hospital, which I got from half-attention to questions at yesterday's briefing.

There was a figure of 5 on John Hopkins virtually from the start but where it came from don't know it hasn't increased though.

Don't understand why no testing on discharge though, see to remember something about two time spaced clear tests before discharge but that was waaay back.

No sorry not Ireland I was referring to Italy's numbers.
Sorry should have mentioned Italy.

But yeah we should get given numbers here they're still saying they're working on it

Cork Boy 53 · 31-03-2020 05:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

208 new deaths recorded in New York so far today.

6 in Florida.

The USA updates its cases twice a day. Is that right?

frillyleaf · 31-03-2020 05:17PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Prior to stocking fridges and cupboards, shelves should be wiped with sanitiser and a paper towels and as coronavirus can survive on hard surfaces, the outside of all canned/hard surface pack goods should be wiped with a paper towel and warm soapy water,

An alternate option would be to leave non-perishable foods in a safe place for 72 hours. Remove outer food packaging and discard, being careful to limit handling of the inner packaging of items such as yoghurts.

The above is a quote from an Iriah Times article yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/warning-of-coronavirus-risks-over-careless-handling-of-shopping-1.4215864

Nobody wants to be running round looking like a silly goose, but simple logic would dictate that the surfaces of grocery packaging is at least somewhat of a likely vector for virus into peoples homes.
So people are devising their own little routines, while at the same time trying not to turn into Howard Hughes.

If you read the AMA thread by the consultant he is going to fairly substantial lengths to disinfect anything that comes into his home.

The person you responded to is only trying to mind their Ma.

Yes I don’t see why people think this ‘mental’. Why would they not do this at this stage.

jackboy · 31-03-2020 05:19PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Fergal Bowers said this morning that it's the number of hospital and ICU admissions (and deaths) that needs to be focused on (rather than the number of confirmed cases, due to issues with the tests/getting test results).

That is risky. The hospital deaths could go very low with still significant cases in the community. Ease the restrictions and we are quickly back to square one. Very hard to ease the restrictions without a robust testing system.

Strazdas · 31-03-2020 05:20PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Norway vs Denmark vs Sweden

Very strong correlation between a severe lockdown in Norway, middle of the road approach in Denmark and a laisse faire approach from the Swedes

Norway's lockdown is nearly identical to ours btw ; in fact, I think ours is slightly more restrictive.

wonski · 31-03-2020 05:20PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Absolutely everyone I know and all around me are doing what is asked of them
The vast majority are being reasonable

Same amount of people do nothing at all and act like it's all fun.

That's the reality.

See it every day at work. Not a bother for 9 out of 10. Nor at all.

is_that_so · 31-03-2020 05:21PM

paleoperson wrote: »

It's only leveling off because of the lockdown and the fact that there aren't as many potential new people to infect. It could very well end up that 70% of people end up infected.

This idea that we'll be over the worst of it in two weeks and it'll be plain sailing after that is hocus pocus nonsense.

I think you're the only one imagining that but all going well it is not unreasonable to expect an easing of some restrictions over the next four weeks. It's going to be a fairly long unwind anyway.

podgeandrodge · 31-03-2020 05:21PM

Gynoid wrote: »

Prior to stocking fridges and cupboards, shelves should be wiped with sanitiser and a paper towels and as coronavirus can survive on hard surfaces, the outside of all canned/hard surface pack goods should be wiped with a paper towel and warm soapy water,

An alternate option would be to leave non-perishable foods in a safe place for 72 hours. Remove outer food packaging and discard, being careful to limit handling of the inner packaging of items such as yoghurts.

The above is a quote from an Iriah Times article yesterday.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/warning-of-coronavirus-risks-over-careless-handling-of-shopping-1.4215864

Nobody wants to be running round looking like a silly goose, but simple logic would dictate that the surfaces of grocery packaging is at least somewhat of a likely vector for virus into peoples homes.
So people are devising their own little routines, while at the same time trying not to turn into Howard Hughes.

If you read the AMA thread by the consultant he is going to fairly substantial lengths to disinfect anything that comes into his home.

The person you responded to is only trying to mind their Ma.

Another perspective, truth probably in the middle.

Coronavirus Ireland: Expert on risk of catching virus while shopping in the supermarket

Kim Roberts, a lecturer at Trinity College Dublin, said that there is a risk of picking up Covid-19 at the shops but that risk is low.

Speaking to Sean O'Rourke on RTE Radio One, the assistant professor said that the biggest risk is what you are touching inside the shops.

Ms Roberts said: "The biggest risk is in the actual activity of doing your shopping, so if you are travelling on public transport it's about trying to maintain the two metre social distance from everyone else.

"If you are walking around the corner then obviously the risk is lower. When you go into the shop, when you touch the doors, freezers trolleys, those are all high touch surfaces that lot's of people would have touched so there's a risk there.

"So when I go out shopping, I assume as soon as I leave my house that my hands are dirty, so I wash my hands before I leave, so I go out the door assuming my hands are dirty and don't touch my face and touch as little surfaces as possible.

"If I assume my hands are dirty I am less likely to touch my face, my eyes, my nose and am therefore reducing my transmission risk.

"When you are in the shop the chances of a particular tin can you are picking up or a pack of cornflakes having a high enough amount of virus on them to cause a transmission is really low.

"Those individual shopping items are not seen as high risk.

"Everything we do has a risk. Somebody might have directly sneezed onto that tin can but that is unlikely to have happened."

The Trinity lecturer believes that wearing gloves do little to protect people and in some cases increase the risk of transmission.

She added: "Gloves can actually increase transmission risk. If we are touching stuff with gloves it is the exact same risk as without them on our hands.

"It gives us a false sense of security and people take higher risks."

Once you arrive home with the groceries, Ms Roberts doesn't think it's necessary to do a deep clean of items.

The Trinity lecturer said: "When you come back into the house wash you hands straight away, I would then put the shopping away immediately.

"Then I'd wash my hands again.

"I wouldn't(wash down the tins and food) because I personally believe that the chances someone sneezed or coughed on them is very low.

"But when I'm cooking I would wash my hands repeatedly.

"The virus isn't destroyed by cold temperatures, so putting it in the fridge or freezer won't kill it, but cooking will.

"The virus can theoretically survive on cardboard for up to 24 hours but that is very high dosages, normally it would be just a few hours."

CIARAN_BOYLE · 31-03-2020 05:22PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The USA updates its cases twice a day. Is that right?

51 times a day i believe (each state updates separately then there's a national update)

The current figure on worldometers reflect 19 states.

Hippykitten · 31-03-2020 05:22PM

Was shopping in town earlier and noticed a big improvement in adhering to the distancing and hygiene standards. There was also more of a Garda presence around the place. Saw The Claire Byrne Show last night and the interview with the lady recovering in hospital would put the frighteners on you.

bodhrandude · 31-03-2020 05:23PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I had really hoped to see a big drop but that is heartbreaking.

Fcuk this virus

Is there a way to make it visible so we can kick the sh1te right out of it, smash it with things.

wonski · 31-03-2020 05:23PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Norway's lockdown is nearly identical to ours btw ; in fact, I think ours is slightly more restrictive.

We have no lockdown.

Just some people working from home.

The rest walking around and driving around.

Lockdown lol...

Shn99 · 31-03-2020 05:24PM

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1245023921272995844?s=21

podgeandrodge · 31-03-2020 05:25PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Is there a way to make it visible so we can kick the sh1te right out of it, smash it with things.

Why yes, did you not see?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1244344119545208834

CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP