Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

elperello · 19-03-2020 2:32pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I think (but could be wrong) that Ciara had said that she was going to go back to work as a Dr to aid with the demand for medical professions. If so, it would further explain why she was tested rapidly.

This thread continues to surprise me with the vitriol aimed at someone which goes way beyond how they are on the radio.

Vitriol is pretty much the stock in trade on radio threads these days.

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 2:32pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

"I despise people who swallow any nonsense from FB or 'alternative' media"

Do you despise all those misled people to?

I don't believe they are misled, I believe they willingly believe what it suits them. And I didn't said I hate, I said I despise because going on you are not believing everything traditional media serves you and then repeat any nonsense Tommy Robinson (for example, you can replace him with any other questionable source) puts out is clear sign of complete dishonesty.

Tell me how · 19-03-2020 2:37pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I don't believe I said I 'hated' Ciara Kelly or the media (perhaps you can correct me on that), however I don't believe everthing they say and I think people shouldn't trust them so readily, that's my main point.

Ps, speaking of hate, your buddy meeeeh has yet to address his comment which suggests that he hates quite a lot of people:

"I despise people who swallow any nonsense from FB or 'alternative' media"

Do you despise all those misled people to?

I despise people who think that they can merely profess that they distrust all media and that as a consequence their views carry more weight.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 2:49pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I despise people who think that they can merely profess that they distrust all media and that as a consequence their views carry more weight.

Where did I say 'my views carry more weight'? Or that I 'hate Ciara Kelly'? Please provide those quotes.

May I ask, do you trust all media?

Ps, jeez yourself and meeeeh seem to "despise" potentially quite a lot of people, honestly that's not good man, you need to chill a little.

People are very diverse and hold all sorts of different views, that's life, live and let live.

BPKS · 19-03-2020 3:04pm

XLR 8 wrote: »

As a registered GP she is a priority for testing. She also has stated she will offer her services as a GP who is now immune from the virus once she recovers. I don't listen to her on air but she seems like a fine citizen to me.

Hold your horses there.

Surely this is Dr Tim sort of misinformation.

No proof that once you get the virus that you cant get it again.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 3:14pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't believe they are misled, I believe they willingly believe what it suits them. And I didn't said I hate, I said I despise because going on you are not believing everything traditional media serves you and then repeat any nonsense Tommy Robinson (for example, you can replace him with any other questionable source) puts out is clear sign of complete dishonesty.

I never made the distinction between 'traditional' media and 'alternative' media, you did, I suspect in an attempt to paint me as someone who believes facebook type nonsense over Newstalk or RTE etc.

I've never even heard of Tommy Robinson!!! Who have I repeated, please provide quotes.

Hate and despise are pretty similar in fairness, in fact they're generally listed synonyms, so please don't try to back away from it.

You said:

"I despise people who swallow any nonsense from FB or 'alternative' media"

Do you stand by that comment?

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 3:15pm

BPKS wrote: »

Hold your horses there.

Surely this is Dr Tim sort of misinformation.

No proof that once you get the virus that you cant get it again.

It's inconclusive. Small number of people possibly got it again but I think data is not conclusive yet. It doesn't mean doctors won't take precautions after having it but they will go back to work.

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 3:20pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I never made the distinction between 'traditional' media and 'alternative' media, you did, I suspect in an attempt to paint me as someone who believes facebook type nonsense over Newstalk or RTE etc.

I've never even heard of Tommy Robinson!!! Who have I repeated, please provide quotes.

You might be shocked but not everything is about you. And if you didn't hear of Tommy Robinson that points to being poorly informed.

I'm not going to go into any more discussions about the post pages ago but yes I do believe you use critical thinking as a pretense to doubt someone just because you don't like them. That's not critical thinking and critical consumption of media that's just acting according to your own bias.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 3:23pm

She is non-practicing - she has stated more than once she hasn't practicesd in over 2 years. If she hasn't kept up her CME (Continuous Medical Education) throughout her 2 years plus on the radio she won't be allowed to practice again until she gains enough CME ppoints to re-enter the GP Scheme (bar a blanket exemption for healthcare professional given exceptional times we are in). It's not as simple as 'once a doctor, always a doctor'.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 3:24pm

meeeeh wrote: »

My deep apology. I didn't realize you are psychologist/psychiatrist.

I'd rather you answer the question you were asked than deliver a deeply sarcastic apology.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 3:25pm

NIMAN wrote: »

If she has it, and I suppose I have no reason to doubt her, then her symptoms can't be too bad if she is able to do her radio programme each day.

I have had a real bad flu once in my life, and it floored me for nearly a week. Couldn't get out of bed, even if I had wanted to.

Now if Ciara has it, it must be less serious than a bad flu or she wouldn't be able to continue to work. I'm guessing she is positive but is one with very mild symptoms.

She's a 48 year old healthy woman, not remotely in any of the high risk categories. For the vast majority, all they will experience are flu-like symptoms.

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 3:29pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

She's a 48 year old helathy woman, not remotely in any of the high risk categories. For the vast majority, all they will experience are flu-like symptoms.

I prefer sarcastic apologies...

Ignoring the fact that on top of your expertise in psychology you also know her medical history. That's impressive.

Btw she did mention yesterday on Primetime she has mild asthma. I might be wrong but I think those with asthma are among riskier groups.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 3:34pm

meeeeh wrote: »

About testing I'm pretty sure they do risk assessment who to test first. I suspect if you call with a bit of a sore throat, live on your own and don't have other health issue you will put at the end of the queue (I'm imagining criteria, I don't know what it is but they certainly have one). Going on about the plebs not getting tests and so on is completely ridiculous. They have to prioritize. I imagine there are people who get results in a day if they are in more risky group.

Untrue. Testing is conducted as quickly as possible in all cases, but there are no preferential treatments or exceptions made. The first tests were taking just over 24hours. They're now taking 48+.

How do I know this? Because I work in Healthcare. Our frontline staff (incl. Consultants and ICU Nurses) get no preferential treatment over members of the public, and believe it or not they're more important than a non-practicing GP.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 3:36pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I prefer sarcastic apologies...

I am aware of this. Also aware that debating without resorting to insults is apparently not something you're capable of.

Grolschevik · 19-03-2020 3:53pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

She is non-practicing - she has stated more than once she hasn't practicesd in over 2 years. If she hasn't kept up her CME (Continuous Medical Education) throughout her 2 years plus on the radio she won't be allowed to practice again until she gains enough CME ppoints to re-enter the GP Scheme (bar a blanket exemption for healthcare professional given exceptional times we are in). It's not as simple as 'once a doctor, always a doctor'.

She's still registered to practise medicine in Ireland, The Medical Council register is in the public domain.

You can check here to verify that a doctor is registered to practise medicine in Ireland, and you can also check a doctor's qualifications through this facility. By law all doctors have to register with the Medical Council in order to practise, and doctors can only practise independently as specialists if they have specialist registration.

Her registration number is 021248. As an aside, Leo varadkar is not on the register.

I didn't hear what you say she said, but I suspect she meant that she hasn't worked in her practice, where she presumably employs a locum, not that she's non-practising.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 3:56pm

meeeeh wrote: »

You might be shocked but not everything is about you. And if you didn't hear of Tommy Robinson that points to being poorly informed.

I'm not going to go into any more discussions about the post pages ago but yes I do believe you use critical thinking as a pretense to doubt someone just because you don't like them. That's not critical thinking and critical consumption of media that's just acting according to your own bias.

So you can't provide the quotes to support your claims? Were you just flat out making stuff up then? To be honest I think you were, bad form in my view, I haven't misquoted you.

Why won't you stand by your comment about despising people?

19-03-2020 4:01pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

She is non-practicing - she has stated more than once she hasn't practicesd in over 2 years. If she hasn't kept up her CME (Continuous Medical Education) throughout her 2 years plus on the radio she won't be allowed to practice again until she gains enough CME ppoints to re-enter the GP Scheme (bar a blanket exemption for healthcare professional given exceptional times we are in). It's not as simple as 'once a doctor, always a doctor'.

She said she would re-register as a GP.

But I'm sorry, I'm gone from this thread.

Congrats haters. You win.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 4:13pm

Grolschevik wrote: »

She's still registered to practise medicine in Ireland, The Medical Council register is in the public domain.

Her registration number is 021248. As an aside, Leo varadkar is not on the register.

I didn't hear what you say she said, but I suspect she meant that she hasn't worked in her practice, where she presumably employs a locum, not that she's non-practising.

She said she hasn't practiced for over 2years.

Chalk McHugh · 19-03-2020 4:24pm

Why does everyone still call her Dr Ciara Kelly when shes out of that profession a long time ago? I live beside a lad that used work in a pub i dont call him barman Whacker Reilly. Whats that all about. Stinks of pomposity.

Tell me how · 19-03-2020 4:28pm

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Why does everyone still call her Dr Ciara Kelly when shes out of that profession a long time ago? I live beside a lad that used work in a pub i dont call him barman Whacker Reilly. Whats that all about. Stinks of pomposity.

People only refer to her in this way when it is in an appropriate context such as discussing medical issues.

You won't hear people on her show calling her Dr in the regular run of things.

Grolschevik · 19-03-2020 4:30pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

She said she hasn't practiced for over 2years.

If it's anything like the professional requirements for solicitors, I suspect it's like this:

Take Miriam O'Callaghan. She's a qualified solicitor, but doesn't take out a practising certificate nor keep up with CPE. Thus she would not be legally entitled to practise. She is a non-practising solicitor.

On the other hand, there are very many retired solicitors, who may not have been inside an office or seen any clients in years, but who continue to take out the annual practising cert and keep up with their CPE requirements (necessary to be able to take out a practising cert). They are legally entitled to practise and hold themselves out as practising solicitors, even if they don't currently work as one.

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 4:33pm

Tell me how wrote: »

People only refer to her in this way when it is in an appropriate context such as discussing medical issues.

You won't hear people on her show calling her Dr in the regular run of things.

Not the point, as I'm sure you know. She has it in her twitter handle, in her Indo and Sindo columns etc.

And is it really approriate in a medical context if she's non-practicing?

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 6:19pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

So you can't provide the quotes to support your claims? Were you just flat out making stuff up then? To be honest I think you were, bad form in my view, I haven't misquoted you.

Why won't you stand by your comment about despising people?

I stand by my comments. However I really can't stand by how you interpret them. And considering I already accused you of bias in your approach it's perfectly predictable for me. So no I don't know by what comments I'm not standing or what quotes should I provide. Don't bother explaining though because I won't provide any of them. What I posted is perfectly adequate for the level of this thread and I have no intention looking for quotes I should provide for I don't know what.

Ahwell · 19-03-2020 6:33pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I'm not even convinced she has covid-19, the media tells so many fcukin lies on a daily basis that nothing would surprise me. They'll do anything and everything they can to milk a story and generate publicity.

Can you give some examples of these daily lies? "The media" is a fairly broad term, which media in particular is lying to us and about what?

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 6:39pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I stand by my comments. However I really can't stand by how you interpret them. And considering I already accused you of bias in your approach it's perfectly predictable for me. So no I don't know by what comments I'm not standing or what quotes should I provide. Don't bother explaining though because I won't provide any of them. What I posted is perfectly adequate for the level of this thread and I have no intention looking for quotes I should provide for I don't know what.

In fairness I've only quoted you directly in my responses whereas you've come out with semi-coherent clangers like:

"And I didn't said I hate, I said I despise because going on you are not believing everything traditional media serves you and then repeat any nonsense Tommy Robinson (for example, you can replace him with any other questionable source) puts out is clear sign of complete dishonesty."

Then failed to provide a single quote of mine where I a). made a distinction between 'traditional' and 'alternative' media or b) 'repeated' anything from people like Tommy Robinson (who I'd never even heard of!)

Ps, I'm happy to see you're finally standing by your comment about despising potentially quite a lot of people. Hate's a bad thing though, free yourself of it.

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 6:46pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Ps, I'm happy to see you're finally standing by your comment about despising potentially quite a lot of people. Hate's a bad thing though, free yourself of it.

I also said not everything is about you. You obviously missed out that among all my quotes.

despise
/dɪˈspʌɪz/
Learn to pronounce
verb
feel contempt or a deep repugnance for

hate
/heɪt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
feel intense dislike for.

I'm not a native English speaker but those two look a bit different to me.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 6:46pm

Ahwell wrote: »

Can you give some examples of these daily lies? "The media" is a fairly broad term, which media in particular is lying to us and about what?

They don't tell lies, I was wrong and I admit it.

Nobody in the media has ever told lies or fabricated or exaggerated or any of that stuff, I learned that yesterday, you must have missed my eureka moment:

"I've provoked quite a few thoughts in fairness, but I've also learned a few things myself, such as:

1. The media never tells lies
2. Doctors are incapable of telling lies
3. Anyone who questions either of the above is a wrongin'
4. Also I think someone said Ciara was a vampire a couple of posts back, which was interesting."

So there you have it, not only am I a genuis, but I'm also humble :-)

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 6:48pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I also said not everything is about you. You obviously missed out that among all my quotes.

despise
/dɪˈspʌɪz/
Learn to pronounce
verb
feel contempt or a deep repugnance for

hate
/heɪt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
feel intense dislike for.

I'm not a native English speaker but those two look a bit different to me.

No I got that one, cheers.

Any luck with the rest?

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 6:51pm

In communication the mistake can happen at the messenger's end, during the transition and at the receiver 's end. At least one person here has completely scrambled receiver.

meeeeh · 19-03-2020 6:52pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

No I got that one, cheers.

Any luck with the rest?

I don't think your receiver is working.

Ahwell · 19-03-2020 6:53pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

They don't tell lies, I was wrong and I admit it.

Nobody in the media has ever told lies or fabricated or exaggerated or any of that stuff, I learned that yesterday, you must have missed my eureka moment:

"I've provoked quite a few thoughts in fairness, but I've also learned a few things myself, such as:

1. The media never tells lies
2. Doctors are incapable of telling lies
3. Anyone who questions either of the above is a wrongin'
4. Also I think someone said Ciara was a vampire a couple of posts back, which was interesting."

So there you have it, not only am I a genuis, but I'm also humble :-)

Are you going to answer the question?

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 6:56pm

meeeeh wrote: »

In communication the mistake can happen at the messenger's end, during the transition and at the receiver 's end. At least one person here has completely scrambled receiver.

No luck then Ted.

Ps, I have a beautiful receiver I'll have you know but I'm a giver myself ;-)

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 6:58pm

Ahwell wrote: »

Are you going to answer the question?

When mine are answered honestly by the other 2 then I will yes.

Fair is fair.

Ps, where did you come into all of this?

Ahwell · 19-03-2020 7:02pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

When mine are answered honestly by the other 2 then I will yes.

Fair is fair.

Ps, where did you come into all of this?

I have nothing to do with the other 2, I just read a post of yours and asked a question which you don't seem to want to answer.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 7:09pm

Ahwell wrote: »

I have nothing to do with the other 2, I just read a post of yours and asked a question which you don't seem to want to answer.

Hahahaha you gave it away with the first line, I didn't ask you if you had anything to do with the other 2!!!

I think Tell me how might have a twin :-)

Send him out there and I'll answer his questions.

Haha chancer. Good night and god bless.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 7:16pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't think your receiver is working.

No it's ok mate, I made a call earlier, it's working grand.

Tell me how · 19-03-2020 7:17pm

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Hahahaha you gave it away with the first line, I didn't ask you if you had anything to do with the other 2!!!

I think Tell me how might have a twin :-)

Send him out there and I'll answer his questions.

Haha chancer. Good night and god bless.

I've no questions for you.

You are very easy to understand.

Huntergonzo · 19-03-2020 7:21pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I've no questions for you.

You are very easy to understand.

Thank you, I appreciate that.

generalgerry · 19-03-2020 9:48pm

Luimneach2018 wrote: »

So she's pretending to have Covid-19 now?? Outrageous accusation. Some of you have truly lost the plot.

She may not be pretending that she has COVID-19, but she's certainly pretending that it presents a serious threat to her life.

Tell me how · 19-03-2020 9:50pm

generalgerry wrote: »

She may not be pretending that she has COVID-19, but she's certainly pretending that it presents a serious threat to her life.

Have you opened a newspaper in the last few weeks?

Ahwell · 19-03-2020 10:15pm

generalgerry wrote: »

but she's certainly pretending that it presents a serious threat to her life.

What are you basing this on? I just listened to an an RTE interview she did and she said the exact opposite to what you are claiming.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2020/0319/1124134-watch-dr-ciara-kelly-has-the-virus/

ButtersSuki · 19-03-2020 10:17pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you opened a newspaper in the last few weeks?

Lol. She’s not remotely high risk. Less exaggeration please.

generalgerry · 19-03-2020 10:21pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you opened a newspaper in the last few weeks?

I don't see why you think she is in any way high risk. How many women of her age world wide have died of the Coronavirus?

If she really thought she was in danger would she be presenting the radio show from her hot press, and giving interviews to anybody who would listen to her story.

I'm not trying to be unkind here but people need to wise up about how people use their positions in the media to promote their own positions.

Tell me how · 19-03-2020 10:28pm

generalgerry wrote: »

I don't see why you think she is in any way high risk. How many women of her age world wide have died of the Coronavirus?

If she really thought she was in danger would she be presenting the radio show from her hot press, and giving interviews to anybody who would listen to her story.

I'm not trying to be unkind here but people need to wise up about how people use their positions in the media to promote their own positions.

Seems to most people that she is using her position to try to inform others and talk them through the process. A lot of people of a similar age and gender as Ciara are probably reassured to hear her talk reasonably about this.

But no, same as with the 100 days of walking, which many have taken up her initiative on and which is a very decent thing to be doing and yet so many, on this thread at least, say she is only doing it to draw attention to herself.

And, if she is eager to be successful, how bad is that?

Ahwell · 19-03-2020 10:28pm

generalgerry wrote: »

I don't see why you think she is in any way high risk. How many women of her age world wide have died of the Coronavirus?

If she really thought she was in danger would she be presenting the radio show from her hot press, and giving interviews to anybody who would listen to her story.

I'm not trying to be unkind here but people need to wise up about how people use their positions in the media to promote their own positions.

Where has she claimed that it presents a serious threat to her life? Sorry for asking twice, but you do have a habit of getting things wrong and then just glossing over it as if you never said it.

Ol' Donie · 19-03-2020 10:28pm

She's been saying since she was diagnosed that she'll be grand.

She has actually stated several times she'll get over it and as a potentially immune doctor she hopes to be quite useful helping sick people.

Meanwhile, good job with the sympathy, lads. Bet she's loving every minute of being sick.

Silly Gilly · 19-03-2020 10:29pm

generalgerry wrote: »

I don't see why you think she is in any way high risk. How many women of her age world wide have died of the Coronavirus?

If she really thought she was in danger would she be presenting the radio show from her hot press, and giving interviews to anybody who would listen to her story.

I'm not trying to be unkind here but people need to wise up about how people use their positions in the media to promote their own positions.

You ****in sad bastard. How many times have you been banned off this site yet you keep coming back with the same ****e? JonathanAnon, County Hurler, Unruly Hector, TAFKACH, Tom Shaugh.

You absolute loser.

elperello · 19-03-2020 10:33pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Seems to most people that she is using her position to try to inform others and talk them through the process. A lot of people of a similar age and gender as Ciara are probably reassured to hear her talk reasonably about this.

But no, same as with the 100 days of walking, which many have taken up her initiative on and which is a very decent thing to be doing and yet so many, on this thread at least, say she is only doing it to draw attention to herself.

And, if she is eager to be successful, how bad is that?

Correct.
We are a strange people - no good deed goes unpunished.

generalgerry · 20-03-2020 8:11am

Silly Gilly wrote: »

You absolute loser.

Good man that should be enough to get you banned. There's nothing untrue in anything that I said even though you may not like to hear it.

Don't know what you're other references are, but I will just put it as being consistent with your other incoherent ramblings.

ButtersSuki · 20-03-2020 9:23am

There’s also a 10% false positive rate btw, whereby you indicate on the test as positive but in effect you only have a flu.

Source: HSE mailer to all Public and Private Hospitals this morning.

I wonder if someone is in this bracket?

Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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