new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:23PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Various differing reports, some saying during incubation, some saying not during incubation, still not enough known to categorically say for sure no matter what others might tell you

I was watching a very good doctor on youtube - ill find and link if I can - he says in his opinion, it can be infectious in incubation based on what he knows about similar viruses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotNiLJDT

8min and 7 seconds in this is addressed

Dunno why that isnt working - anyway very interesting and explained very easily - a good watch. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xotNiLJDT-c&t=898s

Cody montana · 31-01-2020 07:24PM

creditcarder wrote: »

Most diseases can in fairness. Without coughing, sneezing and so on so forth, it is less transferable.

Yes for infectious diseases, you can he a host and not have any symptoms.
If someone at home or in a work setting has a disease, then they may pass it on to you and you can then pass it to someone else.
You may not get sick at all.

Call Me Jimmy · 31-01-2020 07:24PM

VinLieger wrote: »

People are still stuck on this 14 day incubation thing, while 14 days was observed in some cases the average is closer to 5-6 days which means we would already be seeing a lot more cases already if everyone flying around was infected, also there is still no definitive truth to the virus being infectious during incubation which again also explains why we haven't seen a spike in international cases yet.

Oh no I am assuming 5-6 days. Many countries only started getting serious about quarantining people on arrival in last 2 to 3 days I believe. And flights mostly only stopped yesterday?

VinLieger · 31-01-2020 07:27PM

ardinn wrote: »

I was watching a very good doctor on youtube - ill find and link if I can - he says in his opinion, it can be infectious in incubation based on what he knows about similar viruses.

8min and 7 seconds in this is addressed

To be honest im not watching or reading speculation like this, until its confirmed by the WHO/CDC or other official bodies that's all things like that are and simply cause more panic and confusion.

Also just to point out as its not being talked about enough currently the recovered total is at 187 which is a good sign as its starting to get closer and closer to the mortality total.

VinLieger · 31-01-2020 07:28PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Oh no I am assuming 5-6 days. Many countries only started getting serious about quarantining people on arrival in last 2 to 3 days I believe. And flights mostly only stopped yesterday?

Indeed which means people have been flying freely for the last 3-4 weeks so where are all the international cases assuming 5-6 days incubation + incubation infections? Total confirmed is still at 9776 with 9658 of those in China

Oranage2 · 31-01-2020 07:30PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Multiple airlines have drastically reduced or canceled their flights completely and as someone else pointed out there are no direct flights from china to Ireland and any airports they land at will be screening them.

That's true but I've just checked in the last 3 hours planes are flying to Amsterdam, Madrid, Munich, Paris, Istanbul, Geneva, anthems plus other places.

Rvsmmnps · 31-01-2020 07:30PM

Some flight info.

Finnair will suspend its three weekly flights between Helsinki and Beijing Daxing between Feb. 5 and March 29 and its two weekly flights between Helsinki and Nanjing between Feb. 8 and March 29.

KENYA AIRWAYS

Kenya Airways said on Jan. 31 it has suspended all flights to China until further notice.

LION AIR

Indonesia's Lion Air Group said on Jan. 29 it would suspend all flights to China from February. The airline has suspended six flights from several Indonesian cities to China so far and will suspend the rest next month.

LUFTHANSA

Germany's Lufthansa said on Jan. 29 it was suspending Lufthansa, Swiss and Austrian Airlines flights to and from China until Feb. 9. The airline continues to fly to Hong Kong, but it will stop taking bookings for flights to mainland China until the end of February.

ROYAL AIR MAROC

Moroccan airline Royal Air Maroc (RAM) has temporarily suspended its direct flights to China, the company said on Jan. 30. RAM had on Jan. 16 launched a direct air route with three flights weekly between its Casablanca hub and Beijing.

RWANDAIR

Rwanda carrier RwandAir has halted flights to and from China until further notice, the airline said in a statement on Friday. The decision will be reviewed later in February, it said.

SAS

Nordic airline SAS said on Jan. 30 it has decided to suspend all flights to and from Shanghai and Beijing from Jan. 31 until Feb. 9.

SAS offers 12 regular weekly connections from and to Shanghai and Beijing.

SINGAPORE AIRLINESS

Singapore Airlines Ltd SIAL.SI said on Jan. 31 it would reduce capacity on some of its routes to mainland China in February.

The cuts include flights to Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chengdu, Xiamen and Chongqing, some of which are flown by regional arm SilkAir. Its budget carrier Scoot is also cutting back on flights to China.

TURKISH AIRLINES

Turkey's flag carrier said on Jan. 30 it would decrease frequency on scheduled flights to Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai and Xian between Feb. 5 and Feb. 29.

UNITED AIRLINES

Chicago-based United said it would implement a second phase of flight cancellations between its hub cities in the United States and Beijing, Hong Kong and Shanghai, resulting in 332 additional round trips being called off through March 28.

The cancellations will reduce the carrier's daily departures for mainland China and Hong Kong to four daily departures from 12.

United had previously suspended 24 U.S. flights to Beijing, Hong Kong and Shanghai between Feb. 1 and Feb. 8 because of a significant drop in demand.

UNITED PARCEL SERVICE INC

UPS has cancelled 22 China flights, as a result of the Wuhan quarantines and normal manufacturing closures due to the Lunar New Year holiday, UPS Chief Executive David Abney said on Jan. 30. He did not specify how many flights cancellations were due to the virus.

VIRGIN ATLANTIC

Virgin Atlantic said on Jan. 30 it would suspend its daily operations to Shanghai for two weeks from Feb. 2. It cited declining demand for flights and the safety of its customers and staff. - Reuters

Call Me Jimmy · 31-01-2020 07:31PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Indeed which means people have been flying freely for the last 3-4 weeks so where are all the international cases assuming 5-6 days incubation + incubation infections? Total confirmed is still at 9776 with 9658 of those in China

Yea but for those weeks the numbers in china would have been much less.

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:31PM

VinLieger wrote: »

To be honest im not watching or reading speculation like this, until its confirmed by the WHO/CDC or other official bodies that's all things like that are and simply cause more panic and confusion.

Also just to point out as its not being talked about enough currently the recovered total is at 187 which is a good sign as its starting to get closer and closer to the mortality total.

Thats an medical lecturer giving his opinion on the virus and explaining (really well I might add) the virus process in general - without watching it and then coming out with a statement like that is moronic!

Bizarre thing to say!

VinLieger · 31-01-2020 07:37PM

ardinn wrote: »

Thats an medical lecturer giving his opinion on the virus and explaining (really well I might add) the virus process in general - without watching it and then coming out with a statement like that is moronic!

Bizarre thing to say!

Is he with the WHO, CDC or other body actively investigating and working on this? Is that the offical position of the body he works for?

No? Then its speculation.

Smiles35 · 31-01-2020 07:37PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Signs emerging that the virus may be artificially engineered.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1?=1

"This uncanny similarity of novel inserts in the 2019- nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag is unlikely to be fortuitous. Further, 3D modelling suggests that atleast 3 of the unique inserts which are non-contiguous in the primary protein sequence of the 2019-nCoV spike glycoprotein converge to constitute the key components of the receptor binding site. Of note, all the 4 inserts have pI values of around 10 that may facilitate virus-host interactions. Taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation. Our work highlights novel evolutionary aspects of the 2019-nCoV and has implications on the pathogenesis and diagnosis of this virus."

The implication being that the virus is unlikely to have evolved naturally

I was waiting for something like this ever since I read a massive bio-lab was built in Wulan itself. Somebody did this on purpose. Didn't wait very long either, think the lab was just finished 4 years ago.

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:40PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Is he with the WHO, CDC or other body actively investigating and working on this? Is that the offical position of the body he works for?

No? Then its speculation.

whatever

cameramonkey · 31-01-2020 07:42PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Yea but for those weeks the numbers in china would have been much less.

According to many people here the numbers have been understated by the Chinese since the outbreak so you would think that there should be much more international cases.

givyjoe · 31-01-2020 07:42PM

thecretinhop wrote: »

the hiv corana Twitter is terrifying if true, this was a weaponized bio accident imo. i remember posting last week about hiv drugs working makes sense now

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

Oranage2 · 31-01-2020 07:44PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

Experiment gone worng? Virus escapes and makes its way to the local population?

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:45PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

Just experiments - ones that got out of hand!

thecretinhop · 31-01-2020 07:47PM

hence china shutting down 60 million people

Muir · 31-01-2020 07:47PM

ardinn wrote: »

from the same sources that said under 3000 people are infected? When the real number is probably over 120,000 by now?

No. The study that estimated 75,000 infected on the 25th. You said that that study gives credibility to the nurse saying there's an R0 of 14. It doesn't because the study itself uses an estimated R0 of 2.68 to calculate that 75,000.

givyjoe · 31-01-2020 07:48PM

ardinn wrote: »

Just experiments - ones that got out of hand!

Experiment gone wrong/escaped is a very different thing to engineering a bio weapon which clearly can't be controlled.

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:49PM

Muir wrote: »

No. The study that estimated 75,000 infected on the 25th. You said that that study gives credibility to the nurse saying there's an R0 of 14. It doesn't because the study itself uses an estimated R0 of 2.68 to calculate that 75,000.

Fair enough so.

thecretinhop · 31-01-2020 07:49PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

accidents happen there have been several lapses in bio hazard security in China

Call Me Jimmy · 31-01-2020 07:50PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

According to many people here the numbers have been understated by the Chinese since the outbreak so you would think that there should be much more international cases.

Aye very true.

31-01-2020 07:51PM

Are there monkeys in these live markets? Aren’t certain species carriers of the HIV virus?

Dante7 · 31-01-2020 07:51PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

Just because it may have been engineered doesn't mean that it had anything to do with a bio-weapon. The reported HIV-1 injected genes wouldn't have been useful for weaponisation. More likely for research into combatting other viruses. But it is looking increasingly likely that it didn't develop naturally in the wild.

https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1223320879162986496?s=19

s7ryf3925pivug · 31-01-2020 07:52PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

Look at the guy who never watched Utopia.

Utopia is very good.

catrat12 · 31-01-2020 07:52PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

If they are coming back through Heathrow they will be screened - assuming their flight hasnt been cancelled.

I mean this the problem she might come home grand then give it to the son and then he give it to a whole school

ardinn · 31-01-2020 07:52PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Experiment gone wrong/escaped is a very different thing to engineering a bio weapon which clearly can't be controlled.

Maybe not a weapon per se - But someone playing with viruses and mixing and doing experiments and concocting this and that - they might have been looking for a cure for the common cold - a lot of cures involve getting a strain of something else, less harmful than what you have!

Or a bio weapon that someone drank by accident!

Who knows

We will never know imo

Call Me Jimmy · 31-01-2020 07:52PM

givyjoe wrote: »

I can never understand this conspiracy nonsense. What use is a viral bio weapon that affects everyone, including your own people, killing a **** load of them.

That is the best point against it imo. A guy being interviewed by the anti-CCP Epoch Times even said similar, bio weapons aren't feasible as weapons of war.

VinLieger · 31-01-2020 07:53PM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Aye very true.

Im kinda on the side of China under reporting but it really does throw up questions as to where are all the international cases.

If anything it proves we still know far too little about whats going on still, maybe we will see an international spike over the next week which will be worrying but also answer that question. If we dont see that spike then i dont know what that means tbh.

givyjoe · 31-01-2020 07:55PM

Dante7 wrote: »

Just because it may have been engineered doesn't mean that it had anything to do with a bio-weapon. The reported HIV-1 injected genes wouldn't have been useful for weaponisation. More likely for research into combatting other viruses. But it is looking increasingly likely that it didn't develop naturally in the wild.

https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1223320879162986496?s=19

I was specifically refering to conspiracy nonsense re: a bio weapon. Experiments that aren't intended to engineer weapons is quite clearly different. Accidents can obviously happen. Talk engineering viral weapons is ludicrous.

new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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