new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

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circadian wrote: »

I suspect you're confusing that poster with someone else.

Possibly so, there have been some very strange questions on the focus of the Chinese, and previous links to a single poorly referenced study saying it only affects chinese males.

Ah:

SeaBreezes wrote: »

On twitter it seems this virus affects Asian males more, but early days yet. Nobody really knows.

^ "On twitter is seems"... is never going to be good.

Also some silly questions are why Chinese travellers are being profiled. Like it or not, pretty much every state is taking preventative measures.
China as x850 more (verified, even more unconfirmed) cases than any other country.

creditcarder

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The incubation period in most of the studied cases has been 5-7 days. If people have been infected before the lockdown they will more than likely be showing symptoms by now.

Also, it does seem like children are less effected by this. In the study of the first 400 or so known deaths, there were none in the under 15 age bracket. Several children have been shown to be asymptomatic while infected. That makes me feel a bit better, as my child is my first concern in all this too.

That's lucky and kind of odd.

circadian

creditcarder wrote: »

That's lucky and kind of odd.

Sars was similar and if you look at things like chickenpox it's much more severe in adults. It's not unusual for children to fend off viral infections more successfully than adults.

tom1ie

Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.

During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

The virus doesn’t give a damn if ur black, white, Asian, European,human, or bat.

wakka12

Surely there are much more cases abroad going undetected? How could such a huge number of people in China with such an infectious disease only cause a handful all over the rest of the world

Duke of Url

tom1ie wrote: »

The virus doesn’t give a damn if ur black, white, Asian, European,human, or bat.

No sh!t Sherlock

Below is the what I said that yourself and Accumulator choose to ignore in relation to incoming flights .....

Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.

During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

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Duke of Url wrote: »

I just hope that Ireland’s plan is not to use racial profiling to decide who gets tested or not.
During this time, consistency is key in checking everyone with any symptoms where both flu and this new coronavirus overlap.

They will (hopefully) check anyone who's been anywhere near Wuhan/Hubei* within the last 14 days, as they have 11,000+ cases. Guess what? Some of those may well be Chinese.

Now if you're Chinese and flying in from the Antartic after a 3mth stay, guess what, that flight manifestation, and background check will deem you not be of any risk whatsoever.

* However the issue now is that other citiies and regions outside of Wuhan are also getting closed down e.g. there are x5 districts with circa 500 confirmed cases (each), outside of the epicentre of Hubei.

The way things are going, everyone (of any race) who's been in China (anywhere mainland) within at least 14days could likely get tested.

If the Chinese themselves wanted to point fingers, perhaps their own leaders would be a start: The Politburo Standing Committe admitted to "shortcomings and deficiencies" in the country's response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak.
A crackdown on wildlife markets (where the virus emerged) has been ordered.

saabsaab

wakka12 wrote: »

Surely there are much more cases abroad going undetected? How could such a huge number of people in China with such an infectious disease only cause a handful all over the rest of the world

That is a worry but perhaps it is because the likely cases are being picked out quickly, knowing their origin. and 'sat' on before they can pass it on?

bodhrandude

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

saabsaab

bodhrandude wrote: »

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

From what I have read the virus won't survive more than 24 hours outside of a living host. So allowing for travel time there would be zero risk.

PokeHerKing

bodhrandude wrote: »

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

Up to 5 days in the right conditions according to "some experts". I certainly wouldn't be risking it. I mean that's pretty much the Simpsons prediction.

Duke of Url

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

They will (hopefully) check anyone who's been anywhere near Wuhan/Hubei* within the last 14 days, as they have 11,000+ cases. Guess what? Some of those may well be Chinese.

Now if you're Chinese and flying in from the Antartic after a 3mth stay, guess what, that flight manifestation, and background check will deem you not be of any risk whatsoever.

* However the issue now is that other citiies and regions outside of Wuhan are also getting closed down e.g. there are x5 districts with circa 500 confirmed cases (each), outside of the epicentre of Hubei.

The way things are going, everyone (of any race) who's been in China (anywhere mainland) within at least 14days could likely get tested.

If the Chinese themselves wanted to point fingers, perhaps their own leaders would be a start: The Politburo Standing Committe admitted to "shortcomings and deficiencies" in the country's response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak.
A crackdown on wildlife markets (where the virus emerged) has been ordered.

Again, I do not know why you think I am highlighting this virus as a Chinese thing.

This virus has such a long incubation period that at this stage there could be hundreds if not 1000s of cases outside of China. Every one person who contracted This virus has the chance to infect 2.67 people more. With so many people getting connecting flights around the world nobody knows who’s sitting beside who and who that person was sitting beside on the previous flight.

I believe we have a right to know what the HSE are making there Judgements on if One person is Quarantined coming in from Moscow and other from a UAE flight is free to go yet both are showing symptoms that are consistent with both flu and this virus.

Legacy Better Explosion

Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »

A 'handful' in the US & Europe, and one in UAE.

Besides, not many folks in Beijing fly back and fourth to Timbuktu.
again... Conspiracy Theories... ->

There is huge Chinese industry in African countries where a lot of infrastructure is being put in place by a Chinese workforce, so it does very much stand to be affected.

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Duke of Url wrote: »

Again, I do not know why you think I am highlighting this virus as a Chinese thing.

You're not, and that's the problem.
It is (like it or not), 'a Chinese thing' for the time being, and likely the next month or two.

Duke of Url wrote: »

This virus has such a long incubation period that at this stage there could be hundreds if not 1000s of cases outside of China.

1-14 days max (maybe an average 5-7days) really isn't long.
Nearly 100 tests have been done across the uk in the last two weeks, only one, maybe two, were positve (recent arrivals from China).

Duke of Url wrote: »

... With so many people getting connecting flights around the world

Not many people getting flights out of China this week, nor last. Many major airlines simply refuse to operate from there now.

Duke of Url wrote: »

I believe we have a right to know what the HSE are making there Judgements on if One person is Quarantined coming in from Moscow and other from a UAE flight is free to go yet both are showing symptoms that are consistent with both flu and this virus.

Unless you have the background specifics of each individual, it's hard to know. Did the Moscow passenger come from China beforehand? UAE only has 1 case to to date, hardly a risk if came directly from there.

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Deleted User wrote: »

There is huge Chinese industry in African countries where a lot of infrastructure is being put in place by a Chinese workforce, so it does very much stand to be affected.

Agree, however the main labour workforce would likely be doing fixed contracts e.g. 4wks on, 4wks off, perhaps even longer (6mths on/off) flying back every week would hurt the paypacket.

wakka12

saabsaab wrote: »

That is a worry but perhaps it is because the likely cases are being picked out quickly, knowing their origin. and 'sat' on before they can pass it on?

Yes but even if they are picked out quickly, there are just so few examples. There are so many reports of infected Chinese people who were tourists in other countries for days at a time before their infection was detected or they went to hospital and they apparently didnt infect hardly a single other person? It seems impossible given how infectious it appears to be in China

fritzelly

China now want the identity of anyone buying drugs for coughs or fever to be reported centrally

s7ryf3925pivug

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The incubation period in most of the studied cases has been 5-7 days. If people have been infected before the lockdown they will more than likely be showing symptoms by now.

Also, it does seem like children are less effected by this. In the study of the first 400 or so known deaths, there were none in the under 15 age bracket. Several children have been shown to be asymptomatic while infected. That makes me feel a bit better, as my child is my first concern in all this too.

CDC does still say the incubation period might be as long as 14 days, based on what has been observed with similar viruses.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/symptoms.html

wakka12

fritzelly wrote: »

China now want the identity of anyone buying drugs for coughs or fever to be reported centrally

Hah, smart I suppose, but seems almost dystopian

fritzelly

wakka12 wrote: »

Hah, smart I suppose, but seems almost dystopian

Yes very dystopian - I wonder if this will stop anyone buying them in case the police come knocking at the door...

Kermit.de.frog

Go CCP, go!

givyjoe

fritzelly wrote: »

Yes very dystopian - I wonder if this will stop anyone buying them in case the police come knocking at the door...

More likely barricading them in.

Martina1991

bodhrandude wrote:

A question I wanted to throw out there, what about packages from Aliexpress, could they contain the virus? I know there have been reports that the virus is weak on solid flat surfaces, just curious though.

No. There's posts going around Facebook but its nonsense.

Lots of factories would have been on holidays for 2 weeks for Chinese new year as well.

fritzelly

givyjoe wrote: »

More likely barricading them in.

Thought better of posting that

Duke of Url

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Go CCP, go!

It’s amazing what they constructed in 10 days

This is a 57 story skyscraper in 20 days, it also shows how they pre build sections

weisses

All This caused by eating meat ...

China should go Plant based ... Problem solved

givyjoe

fritzelly wrote: »

Thought better of posting that

Are you kidding? Because I'm not. Theres literally videos of this happening.

Kermit.de.frog

Duke of Url wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ozFabl17g

It’s amazing what they constructed in 10 days

wakka12

From the information that is known this virus doesnt seem like much of a threat. But then some of the actions of the Chinese government make me think otherwise. Then in America ,CDC says things like this? What is one to think? Much of the world government action seems completely disproprtionate to what appears to possibly be as dangerous as seasonal flu. I dont get it. Swine flu was thought to be deadly at the beginning too but I dont remember the world effectively abandoning Mexico and cutting all trade and transport with it, evacuating citizens, quaratining entire cities, its literally insane measures

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/aggressive-action-necessary-counter-unprecedented-threat-coronavirus-cdc-says-n1128671

fritzelly

Playing safe - if it mutates (which it has with unknowns) into a more aggressive form it could be disastrous

creditcarder

wakka12 wrote: »

From the information that is known this virus doesnt seem like much of a threat. But then some of the actions of the Chinese government make me think otherwise. Then in America ,CDC says things like this? What is one to think? Much of the world government action seems completely disproprtionate to what appears to possibly be as dangerous as seasonal flu. I dont get it

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/aggressive-action-necessary-counter-unprecedented-threat-coronavirus-cdc-says-n1128671

Hmmmm, nobody wants an unstable China but everybody wants a weakened China?



I mean both of the main cities were cities of revolt (which is odd for china) and there was even mentions of Wenzhou being the next Hong Kong which could be disastrous for a nuclear power country.



But, on the flip side, China has recieved such a hammering economically and culturally that it might not recover for a decade. China can handle it's internal issues (the virus and dissent), Hong Kong is chastened but still free, and the Allied countries can tap China on the nose.



Tbh, I am sounding a little bit out there in most of my posts, but I have read too many crime novels

creditcarder

Duke of Url wrote: »

It’s amazing what they constructed in 10 days

This is a 57 story skyscraper in 20 days, it also shows how they pre build sections

You should look at ADVChina's video on this. They start falling apart in a few years and, truth be told, it's less a hospital and more a collection of prefabs.

2ygb4cmqetsjhx

What is AdvChina?

Call Me Jimmy

Wenzhou schools and universities closed til March 1st? And work except for government institutions is off till feb 17. China are really overreacting to this year's seasonal flu...

fritzelly

Leyla Whining Ace wrote: »

What is AdvChina?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg

creditcarder

fritzelly wrote: »

Fookin Legends

Corrected your post

Fr_Dougal

There are currently 19,843 confirmed cases worldwide, including 426 fatalities.

Big jump.

fritzelly

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Big jump.

In perspective - 2500 new confirmed, 21 (?) suspected, 49 cured and 64 dead
Tho these numbers always increase a bit later on

Quantum Erasure

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1224458831851335687

givyjoe

wakka12 wrote: »

From the information that is known this virus doesnt seem like much of a threat. But then some of the actions of the Chinese government make me think otherwise. Then in America ,CDC says things like this? What is one to think? Much of the world government action seems completely disproprtionate to what appears to possibly be as dangerous as seasonal flu. I dont get it. Swine flu was thought to be deadly at the beginning too but I dont remember the world effectively abandoning Mexico and cutting all trade and transport with it, evacuating citizens, quaratining entire cities, its literally insane measures

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/aggressive-action-necessary-counter-unprecedented-threat-coronavirus-cdc-says-n1128671

It takes 36 hours to diagnose/confirm coronavirus in the US, as only the CDC in Atlanta is able to do the test. That is not ideal to say the least. If there is such a limited testing bank in the US of all places, where are our tests being done?!

Call Me Jimmy

It's basically how many can they test a day.

fritzelly

givyjoe wrote: »

It takes 36 hours to diagnose/confirm coronavirus in the US, as only the CDC in Atlanta is able to do the test. That is not ideal to say the least. If there is such a limited testing bank in the US of all places, where are our tests being done?!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-new-test-with-faster-results-available-in-ireland-1.4160156

UCD

car_radio19834

What's this about?

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1224437970003845122

circadian

Could be anything, I'd imagine everyone in Wuhan is in some state of panic by now. Don't want to be taken from families, afraid they're being lifted by the CCP to be disappeared or something. Many people won't be thinking rationally right now, could be in total denial of having the virus.

fritzelly

Probably someone who was trying to get the truth out my guess - he wasn't going quietly

CosmicFool

car_radio19834 wrote: »

What's this about?

https://twitter.com/howroute/status/1224437970003845122

Reading some of the comments on twitter. Some people have very little brain cells.

harrylittle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUprYUpQAk

fritzelly

harrylittle wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUprYUpQAk

Things like this make you wonder is the sh1t about to hit the fan everywhere else

cloudatlas

harrylittle wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUprYUpQAk

More unverified news sources.

Nijmegen

You never know why someone is not happy being removed. For a benign example, maybe he has a disabled or elderly relative he’s taking care of that is being left behind and he is aware of what happened to that poor 17 year old disabled boy when his dad and brother were lifted.