Ireland 2040 Planning Framework & associated Investment Plan discussion [NO ROADS]

marno21 · 16-02-2018 01:50PM #1

Revealed at 2pm today.

For discussion of the plan itself and investment alongside it. No roads discussion - discuss roads in the Roads forum.

Civil discussion only.

Harry Palmr · 16-02-2018 01:54PM

Not a great start

http://npf.ie/about/

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Thank you for your patience. We are doing some work on the site and will be back shortly.

In the interim you can find more information on Project Ireland 2040 at the following link: www.gov.ie

CatInABox · 16-02-2018 01:56PM

This should be interesting. So far, they've been making all the right noises, and in particular, they've stated that they want this to last regardless of political change, with an independent regulator to ensure that it continues post government change. Probably impossible to bullet proof everything, but it would be great if the major elements of the plan survive a change in government.

I've long believed that the major problem in Ireland has been in the inability to stick to a plan, so hopefully this goes some way to fixing it.

CatInABox · 16-02-2018 01:57PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not a great start

http://npf.ie/about/

In fairness, it only needs to work at 2pm. They've still got time......

Tick tock.

Sierra Oscar · 16-02-2018 01:58PM

You can view it here.

Harry Palmr · 16-02-2018 02:05PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

You can view it here.

Hmm 10 plans but 9 links as one of them is a "dup".

Sierra Oscar · 16-02-2018 02:07PM

Here are the direct links:

Executive Summary

National Development Plan

National Planning Framework

thomasj · 16-02-2018 02:14PM

for public transport plans page 53 onwards of the National Development plan.

plodder · 16-02-2018 02:15PM

or

http://www.gov.ie/en/project-ireland-2040/

CatInABox · 16-02-2018 02:16PM

Metro North is now Metro Link, and the DART expansion is essentially DART Underground minus the interconnector tunnel. If they can manage to get all that done by 2027, an awful lot of the commuter issues into Dublin will be sorted, and the case for creating the Interconnector tunnel will be impossible to ignore.

The bus networks for Galway, Cork and Dublin also look good and realistic.

I'll read the rest of it in a while, but those parts are very well put together for me.

thomasj · 16-02-2018 02:17PM

the estimated completion date for BusConnects........:eek:

zulutango · 16-02-2018 02:22PM

When ye get through it, can you tell me if :

We are banning one-off housing?

Are we being serious about developing the regional cities or are we just going to throw infrastructure at Cork because it's currently the second largest city?

Are there any significant rail projects in there?

CatInABox · 16-02-2018 02:22PM

thomasj wrote: »

the estimated completion date for BusConnects........:eek:

Seems like nearly everything has a completion date of 2027. I'd hazard a guess that this is a bit of political play, i.e. "We've managed to complete the Galway Bus Connects 5 years early!!!"

At least, that's what I hope......

Sierra Oscar · 16-02-2018 02:23PM

CatInABox wrote: »

Seems like nearly everything has a completion date of 2027. I'd hazard a guess that this is a bit of political play, i.e. "We've managed to complete the Galway Bus Connects 5 years early!!!"

At least, that's what I hope......

Yeah - or more so to prevent them from being accused of not delivering on time.

Pixel Eater · 16-02-2018 02:24PM

Am I reading that right, Metro North but no DART Underground?

funnyname · 16-02-2018 02:24PM

Just tried watching the announcement on rte news now but listening to Heather Humphreys makes watch pain dry seem like the most exciting thing on earth.

marno21 · 16-02-2018 02:25PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Am I reading that right, Metro North but no DART Underground?

DART to Hazelhatch, Drogheda and Maynooth (€2bn allocation) but no tunnel.

Metro Swords-Sandyford is included.

thomasj · 16-02-2018 02:25PM

Pixel Eater wrote: »

Am I reading that right, Metro North but no DART Underground?

post 2027 for the tunnel

zulutango · 16-02-2018 02:29PM

A 50% pro rata population increase in the regional cities is a real blunder anyway. It ignores the fact that it might make more sense to develop Galway or Limerick to a greater extent than Cork.

zulutango · 16-02-2018 02:29PM

A 50% pro rata population increase in the regional cities is a real blunder anyway. It ignores the fact that it might make more sense to develop Galway or Limerick to a greater extent than Cork.

marno21 · 16-02-2018 02:30PM

zulutango wrote: »

A 50% pro rata population increase in the regional cities is a real blunder anyway. It ignores the fact that it might make more sense to develop Galway or Limerick to a greater extent than Cork.

Why?

CatInABox · 16-02-2018 02:33PM

zulutango wrote: »

When ye get through it, can you tell me if :

We are banning one-off housing?

Are we being serious about developing the regional cities or are we just going to throw infrastructure at Cork because it's currently the second largest city?

Are there any significant rail projects in there?

Outside of Metro Link and DART Expansion, no. That was always going to be the case though, despite the hopes of the Western Rail Corridor supporters. There's always going to be something that more cost efficient than a project like that.

marno21 · 16-02-2018 02:34PM

CatInABox wrote: »

Outside of Metro Link and DART Expansion, no. That was always going to be the case though, despite the hopes of the Western Rail Corridor supporters. There's always going to be something that more cost efficient than a project like that.

There is a part about the potential of the Navan line and Western Rail Corridor if either reach demand states during the lifetime of the plan.

Pixel Eater · 16-02-2018 02:34PM

marno21 wrote: »

DART to Hazelhatch, Drogheda and Maynooth (€2bn allocation) but no tunnel.

Metro Swords-Sandyford is included.

thomasj wrote: »

post 2027 for the tunnel

Would've thought the DART Underground (tunnel) was a bigger priority than the Metro North. Will just run the Maynooth DART via the Pheonix Park tunnel then so?

zulutango · 16-02-2018 02:35PM

marno21 wrote: »

Why?

Why what exactly?

hmmm · 16-02-2018 02:36PM

So Dublin might get a few bits of new public transport infrastructure in a decade's time, quite a bit which duplicates existing lines. No new LUAS lines. No Dart underground. No station at Stephen's Green per the IT.

Meanwhile 3/4 of the population growth is forecast for outside Dublin, which is rubbish.

This plan is a handout to rural politicians - Dublin has ground to a halt this year.

LeinsterDub · 16-02-2018 02:37PM

zulutango wrote: »

Are there any significant rail projects in there?

This

an examination of opportunities for improvements in journey times and investment in high-speed rail links between Belfast, Dublin and Cork

LeinsterDub · 16-02-2018 02:39PM

hmmm wrote: »

So Dublin might get a few bits of new public transport infrastructure in a decade's time, quite a bit which duplicates existing lines. No new LUAS lines. No Dart underground. No station at Stephen's Green per the IT.

Meanwhile 3/4 of the population growth is forecast for outside Dublin, which is rubbish.

This plan is a handout to rural politicians - Dublin has ground to a halt this year.

Bus Connects (1 bl) , 4 new luas lines/extensions (2 bl???),MN (3 bl), DART (2 bl) . What more do you want barring DU? That's circa 8 BL in 10 years if my guesstimates on the Luas costs hold up

zulutango · 16-02-2018 02:39PM

hmmm wrote: »

Meanwhile 3/4 of the population growth is forecast for outside Dublin, which is rubbish.

Why is that rubbish?

lawred2 · 16-02-2018 02:40PM

zulutango wrote: »

A 50% pro rata population increase in the regional cities is a real blunder anyway. It ignores the fact that it might make more sense to develop Galway or Limerick to a greater extent than Cork.

based on what?

hmmm · 16-02-2018 02:40PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Bus Connects , 4 new luas lines/extensions ,MN, DART . What more do you want barring DU?

Bus Connects is already apparently funded, and we now get a date of 2027 before it's completed.

The plan says no money for new LUAS lines. Lots of feasibility studies. Yes it's feasible, we don't need to wait until 2027 to find this out.

Metro North is new, but we've been hearing about this forever.

Extension of DART all over the countryside isn't going to help Dublin commuters much.

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