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Ireland 2040 Planning Framework & associated Investment Plan discussion [NO ROADS]
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The rate of growth in Dublin is not the highest in the country, Meath grew faster between the last two census'. Dublin grew at 5.7%, Kildare at 5.6% and your beloved Cork at 4.5%, so it's not double the rate of everywhere else. In absolute terms its growth is far higher than anywhere else but the rate of growth is in the same range as the rest of Leinster and Cork.It's a good video and I'm a few minutes into it, and it actually doesn't back up your claim. It says that cities by and large grow organically, without external influences. And then it goes on to explain how external influences can change the rank of cities. One example it gives is Washington DC where the nascent US government decided to seat its government. And there are heaps of such examples. I'll keep watching ..
True, but it does mention that it takes a massive external force to make that change. It requires a massive upheaval, such as the British taking Hong Kong or discovering gold in San Francisco. Even in the Washington DC example, while it changed rank to 6th place, it is still WAY behind New York and LA which continued to grow at a ferocious pace.
Short of moving the entire government, Dail, all departments, etc. to Cork
, realistically it isn't going to happen here in Ireland.
Generally speaking such forced changes don't happen in modern, developed Western, democratic countries. Today, such change is limited to command lead societies such as China and even then it takes massive effort to make such a change.
Think about this for a moment, over the last 10 years their has been very little or no investment in Dublin, yet the population of the Dublin region has continued to grow at a very high rate, almost twice as high as anywhere else in Ireland. Government investment or not, simply isn't going to change that natural trend. Short of sending out the army and forcing everyone down to Cork
BTW One major issue our country has is that Cork isn't really our second city. Going by this video and population size, clearly Belfast is the second city of the island of Ireland. But of course political issues greatly complicates that.0 -
BTW One major issue our country has is that Cork isn't really our second city. Going by this video and population size, clearly Belfast is the second city of the island of Ireland. But of course political issues greatly complicates that.
Why is that a major issue? Surely being the 3rd as opposed to 2nd city is trivial. I look forward to the day we have a united Ireland and hope it comes sooner rather than later. Then we'll have a much weaker Dublin with only 20% of the population! Now that's a major issue.
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snotboogie wrote: »The rate of growth in Dublin is not the highest in the country, Meath grew faster between the last two census'. Dublin grew at 5.7%, Kildare at 5.6% and your beloved Cork at 4.5%, so it's not double the rate of everywhere else. In absolute terms its growth is far higher than anywhere else but the rate of growth is in the same range as the rest of Leinster and Cork.
Ah, come on, we all know that the majority of those people living in Meath and Kildare are commuting into Dublin! They are all part of the GDA.
Now take the population growth of the GDA and compare it to Cork.zetalambda wrote: »Why is that a major issue? Surely being the 3rd as opposed to 2nd city is trivial. I look forward to the day we have a united Ireland and hope it comes sooner rather than later. Then we'll have a much weaker Dublin with only 20% of the population! Now that's a major issue.
It is part of the reason why the population growth and investment is out of kilter in Ireland. Usually your second largest city acts as a balance to the first city, but in our case our second city (Cork) is so much smaller then the first, that Dublin ends up getting an over exaggerated attention and Cork can't really act as a true counterbalance that it should be.
Dublin having just 20% of our population and a strong Belfast as part of our country would lead to a much more balanced development.0 -
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zetalambda wrote: »Exactly...Roll on a united Ireland. The Turkeys are voting for Christmas!!
We could certainly do with the extra tax payers to help pay for this investment plan 0 -
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We could certainly do with the extra tax payers to help pay for this investment plan
Belfast and the north will benefit the most from a united Ireland. Dublin will be negatively impacted the most, far more than Cork, Galway or Limerick. The bigger you are, the harder you fall.
I like that they plan to work on faster rail between Cork and Belfast. That means I might be able to fly international from Belfast in the future instead of always going through London and Paris! 0 -
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zetalambda wrote: »Why is that a major issue? Surely being the 3rd as opposed to 2nd city is trivial. I look forward to the day we have a united Ireland and hope it comes sooner rather than later. Then we'll have a much weaker Dublin with only 20% of the population! Now that's a major issue.
I hope they keep a few yoyos aside for the Belfast Light Rail :P - a nordie can wish!0 -
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zetalambda wrote: »Belfast and the north will benefit the most from a united Ireland. Dublin will be negatively impacted the most, far more than Cork, Galway or Limerick. The bigger you are, the harder you fall.
I like that they plan to work on faster rail between Cork and Belfast. That means I might be able to fly international from Belfast in the future instead of always going through London and Paris!
Will the dart to drogheda affect Enteprise times on this line?
Btw - Belfast airport is grand, park right beside the terminal BUT it’s in a ****h*le of a location( the road to the airport is narrow and pretty busy )travel wise .
Btw2 - it’s currently a lot cheaper to fly from Dublin than Belfast to most places
Btw 3 - they have Fcuk all international destinations, EasyJet are the dominant airline at the airport.0
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