The Alpha Male - does he really exist?

21Savage wrote: »

Okay I get your point tbf, Ireland is more along the American model. If you put a guy like Groncowski(Low inhibition fun loving american football alpha male) and put him in Ireland with a Leinster jacket and shorts he would pull like crazy.(He's not a fashionable guy if you're not familiar with him( In Paris he would most likely be the source of ridicule and embarrassment and any high class girl worth her salt wouldn't be caught dead with him. However, these skinny guys will often have an attractive face. Maybe that's why Irish women preference body because Irish males don't look very good facially.

The problem I find with your stance is that it's all physical. Physical appearance, fashion, looking the part, etc.

However, I have learned that there are three sides to dating. The first is easily dismissed since it relates to people seeking anybody for a serious relationship leading to marriage. They tend to have their own criteria for a partner set before they even meet the person. The second and third though are different.

The second being the "play" factor. Usually, that revolves are "fun" and/or sex. The physical is definitely a strong contender to determine that, and yet, I've gone through periods of excessive casual dating, and I'm definitely not a poster child for attractiveness/sexiness. (I'm tall, skinny, bad teeth and a shaking disorder). Personality, knowledge, empathy, and humor tend to carry the day for me. And luck. Luck is an incredible factor in all of this.

Lastly, though there is the dating which is gentler. The slower development of dating mixed with friendship with sex coming later. Usually, personality is what determines this. Physical Attractiveness does often set the hook, but it's the non-physical aspects that keep the relationship going.

The thing is that I've never been able to trade on my looks to be successful with women. I turned to the NLP/Speed seduction side of things. Not exactly the PUA scene that attracts so many red pill or alpha mates (although some do turn up, but disappear later). I went sarging with Ross Jeffries, Neil Strauss, and a host of the "experts" on dating out in London on numerous nights, and the focus was never on someones (our) appearance. It was on the language we used, the tonality, the respect we gave to the women we met, etc. [Although some of those guys did turn to more the more aggressive PUA scene later in their seminars]

I think people focus too much on the physical side of attractiveness a bit too much. In my experience, making a woman comfortable to be with you, while keeping an electric current of fun or anticipation works wonders. There's always going to be some women who will never be interested in me, but I am very satsfied with the percetages that are...

This Alpha Male thingy reminds me too much of the PUA and Seduction.Alt.Fast crowd. Just too extreme. Like drinking four energy drinks and thumping your chest.

21Savage wrote: »

I actually think Irish girls are attractive.

Many Irish women are extremely attractive. But I tend to prefer slim women, and that generally doesn't include a lot of the Irish girls I see around. Whereas my Italian friend loves the way Irish girls are physically, and can't get enough of them. Everyone has their own perceptions of what is attractive.

Tell her she has shiny lips if you want :facepalm:

And there goes any chance of anyone accepting what I said earlier.

Fourier wrote: »

As you say, hypnosis certainly does work, it has been scientifically proven. NLP has not, as you also said.

And yet, in many US states, it is still illegal to advertise yourself or practice as a hypnotist, probably because of the scientific community or rather, the psychology community were so hell-bent against allowing it.

The problem with Hypnotism is that it really comes down to the practitioner and the manner in which he/she practices it. I have studied hypnosis on practitioner courses, and I suck at it. However, on the other hand, I've been hypnotized into deep trance, with suggestions planted which have seriously helped my shaking disorder. My shaking disorder is scientifically/medically connected to too much adrenaline being produced by my body, but hypnosis works better than the drug treatments.

NLP is based on Hypnosis. It's just a further step.

As science has shown little related to "consciousness & the subconscious" as you said, all we can go on is our own heuristics and experiences, so I'm not going to criticise you for that, as you may, in fact, be right.

I'd suggest that conventional science has gone out of its way to discredit anything that doesn't fall within its more traditional areas. We see so much "science" based on mathematics which we are told is proven... but its only proven based on the level of the maths of the time.

Thanks for the discussion.

Sure. I like to talk. And I like minds open to possibilities.

Feels Good Man wrote: »

Adopt an attitude of 'I don't give a ****'. See yourself as the prize. Never apologise for yourself and your masculinity.

Believe you are an alpha and you will start to act like an alpha.

Ughh please.... I think 'prize pr1ck' is a more appropriate term for that sort of mindset.