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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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    #3152
    quintana76
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    Actions speak louder than words. Despite the relentless self serving PR it is quite clear where his heart lies. Egypt.


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    #3153
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    bajer101 wrote: »
    I am a critic of the Halawas, but this sort of nonsense has no place in a civilized debate.
    Totally agree.


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    #3154
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    glenfieldman wrote: »
    Will he show the disfigured hand that the bad prison guard shot him in.
    Will he explain his big waist line after been on 3 hunger strikes

    Will he ****, and yes I do have hatred for this prick, because he and his family have hatred for us

    And **** off lefty's saying "quote where he has said he hates the west" open your eyes you morons

    You sound like an old nun. Left handed people are no different to right handed people.


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    #3155
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
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    Why are RTE giving him a platform and a profile like this? He's home, he's cost us a bloody fortune getting him out, he's done nothing brave or wonderful. Can it be just left at that? No need to turn him into some kind of celeb or hero. In fact, it's really irresponsible of our national broadcasting authority to be doing this.


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    #3156
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Why are RTE giving him a platform and a profile like this? He's home, he's cost us a bloody fortune getting him out, he's done nothing brave or wonderful. Can it be just left at that? No need to turn him into some kind of celeb or hero. In fact, it's really irresponsible of our national broadcasting authority to be doing this.

    The Late Late Show has always sought to interview people who have been in the news, so no harm there.
    Being that he is an Irishman who was locked up and tortured in a foreign prison for four years for a crime he was aquitted of I think a lot of people will be interested in hearing from him.
    I totally fail to see how it is irresponsible to interview him.


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    #3157
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    baylah17 wrote: »
    The Late Late Show has always sought to interview people who have been in the news, so no harm there.
    Being that he is an Irishman who was locked up and tortured in a foreign prison for four years for a crime he was aquitted of I think a lot of people will be interested in hearing from him.
    I totally fail to see how it is irresponsible to interview him.

    Riiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhtttttt :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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    #3158
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Why are RTE giving him a platform and a profile like this? He's home, he's cost us a bloody fortune getting him out, he's done nothing brave or wonderful. Can it be just left at that? No need to turn him into some kind of celeb or hero. In fact, it's really irresponsible of our national broadcasting authority to be doing this.

    Conor McGregor is also on the LLS this friday, he will have to beg for forgiveness for a harmless little remark made to a fighter (lets be honest are guys in the fight game gonna be PC all the time???)

    Meanwhile IH won't have to explain anything despite the fact he supports a regime that throws homosexuals off buildings.

    In fact he's progressive and liberal apparently.


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    #3159
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Why are RTE giving him a platform and a profile like this? He's home, he's cost us a bloody fortune getting him out, he's done nothing brave or wonderful. Can it be just left at that? No need to turn him into some kind of celeb or hero. In fact, it's really irresponsible of our national broadcasting authority to be doing this.

    Here you are, again, banging on about him being some kind of hero, or presented as such. You seem to be the only one who thinks this. I certainly don't view him as any kind of hero, and apparently I'm a supporter of his.

    You seem to be ignoring what many posters on this thread want, which is answers. How else are they supposed to get the answers they so eagerly want, if he just sails into the sunset, never to be heard of again?

    As for being irresponsible, how on earth is it irresponsible? Do you think all the cool kids will now want to go to Egypt, protest and get locked up for 4 years?


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    #3160
    wanderer100
    Registered Users Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    Omackeral wrote: »
    He's home, his crew were all roaring Allah Akbar in Dublin Airport a few days ago.

    .

    You do know right 'Allah Akbar' just means God is great. It's a sad stereotype now that it is some sort of thing that terrorists yell before terrorising. Stop trying to make a big deal out of nothing.


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    #3161
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Here you are, again, banging on about him being some kind of hero, or presented as such. You seem to be the only one who thinks this. I certainly don't view him as any kind of hero, and apparently I'm a supporter of his.

    You seem to be ignoring what many posters on this thread want, which is answers. How else are they supposed to get the answers they so eagerly want, if he just sails into the sunset, never to be heard of again?

    As for being irresponsible, how on earth is it irresponsible? Do you think all the cool kids will now want to go to Egypt, protest and get locked up for 4 years?


    Your posts really are becoming more and more illogical. No one is 'banging on' about anything. It's a debate and I will restate my view if it remains relevant as new information emerges eg that he is now appearing on the Late Late Show.

    I am certainly not the only person on this thread who is objecting to him being given some kind of homecoming hero status. But you appear to only see and read and absorb the things you want to.


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    #3162
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,789 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Ryan...

    "Did you think going to Egypt on holidays was a clever thing to do?"

    Did you address the crowd at a Muslim Brotherhood rally?

    Do you agree with their stance on gay people?

    How did you feel that an openly gay minister greeted you at dublin airport?

    Are you proud that the leader of Ireland is openly gay and campaigned for your release?

    Are you embarrassed that it has cost the irish taxpayers a fortune to get you back to ireland because of your stupidity?


    Or...

    We're you dying for a bag of taytos when you got home?


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    #3163
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Your posts really are becoming more and more illogical. No one is 'banging on' about anything. It's a debate and I will restate my view if it remains relevant as new information emerges eg that he is now appearing on the Late Late Show.

    I am certainly not the only person on this thread who is objecting to him being given some kind of homecoming hero status. But you appear to only see and read and absorb the things you want to.

    Illogical, please do elaborate? I don't see remotely how you have come to that conclusion. I've made a fairly clear concise point regarding your repeated posts on this 'hero status'.

    You have repeatedly made the point that you believe he's been treated like a hero, surprising only yourself and others with negative views of the chap seem to perceive him as being given 'hero' status.

    Many others, I'd go so far as to say most, of his critics here seem to be demanding answers. By what medium do you suggest those demands be met?

    As for only absorbing what I want to.. the absolute irony in that statement re: 'hero status':rolleyes:


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    #3164
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    mfceiling wrote: »
    Ryan...

    "Did you think going to Egypt on holidays was a clever thing to do?" Reasonable Question

    Did you address the crowd at a Muslim Brotherhood rally?
    Reasonable question , but clarify as whether it was MB Rally or did he merely address others trapped in the Mosque.

    Do you agree with their stance on gay people? Irrellavent as to his false imprisonment and torture

    How did you feel that an openly gay minister greeted you at dublin airport?
    Irrelevant as to his false imprisonment and torture

    Are you proud that the leader of Ireland is openly gay and campaigned for your release?
    Irrelevant as to his false imprisonment and torture

    Are you embarrassed that it has cost the irish taxpayers a fortune to get you back to ireland because of your stupidity?
    As an Irish citizen he is entitled to expect assistance


    Or...

    We're you dying for a bag of taytos when you got home?
    If so what flavour?


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    #3165
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    wanderer100 wrote: »
    You do know right 'Allah Akbar' just means God is great. It's a sad stereotype now that it is some sort of thing that terrorists yell before terrorising. Stop trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

    Indeed, but it's all about context, and you know very well this should not be shouted at a western airport in 2017.


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    #3166
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Indeed, but it's all about context, and you know very well this should not be shouted at a western airport in 2017.

    Why not?


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    #3167
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    baylah17 wrote: »
    Why not?

    If you need to ask that there is no point engaging further with you.


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    #3168
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Illogical, please do elaborate? I don't see remotely how you have come to that conclusion. I've made a fairly clear concise point regarding your repeated posts on this 'hero status'.

    You have repeatedly made the point that you believe he's been treated like a hero, surprising only yourself and others with negative views of the chap seem to perceive him as being given 'hero' status.

    Many others, I'd go so far as to say most, of his critics here seem to be demanding answers. By what medium do you suggest those demands be met?

    As for only absorbing what I want to.. the absolute irony in that statement re: 'hero status':rolleyes:


    Well certainly not by a soft interview on the Late Late Show. How about a hard hitting interview on a current affairs programme, where he will have to answer the questions that critics are asking?


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    #3169
    baylah17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭baylah17


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    If you need to ask that there is no point engaging further with you.

    A man released from four years of wrongful imprisonment and torture celebrates his return home by stating God is Great, no harm there....
    ...unless of course those who are offended have a particular agenda of their own that they wish to push!


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    #3170
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Illogical, please do elaborate? I don't see remotely how you have come to that conclusion. I've made a fairly clear concise point regarding your repeated posts on this 'hero status'.

    You have repeatedly made the point that you believe he's been treated like a hero, surprising only yourself and others with negative views of the chap seem to perceive him as being given 'hero' status.

    Many others, I'd go so far as to say most, of his critics here seem to be demanding answers. By what medium do you suggest those demands be met?

    As for only absorbing what I want to.. the absolute irony in that statement re: 'hero status':rolleyes:

    Well obviously in a nice friendly interview on a light entertainment show. :rolleyes:


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    #3171
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Well certainly not by a soft interview on the Late Late Show. How about a hard hitting interview on a current affairs programme, where he will have to answer the questions that critics are asking?

    Not exactly matching your wishes of 'leaving it at that' though is it?

    Which is it that you want? For him to fade off into the sunset and never be heard of again, or do you want him grilled to your satisfaction on TV?


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    #3172
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,480 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Here you are, again, banging on about him being some kind of hero, or presented as such. You seem to be the only one who thinks this. I certainly don't view him as any kind of hero, and apparently I'm a supporter of his.

    You seem to be ignoring what many posters on this thread want, which is answers. How else are they supposed to get the answers they so eagerly want, if he just sails into the sunset, never to be heard of again?

    As for being irresponsible, how on earth is it irresponsible? Do you think all the cool kids will now want to go to Egypt, protest and get locked up for 4 years?

    If you look at the welcome he got on his return to Ireland, his sisters receiving an award etc., he is being hailed a hero and for what, he chose to go to a country and partake in a protest (for MB) where there was violence

    Yes we want answers but do you really think Tubs is going ask him any hard hitting questions
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    #3173
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    If you look at the welcome he got on his return to Ireland, his sisters receiving an award etc., he is being hailed a hero and for what, he chose to go to a country and partake in a protest (for MB) where there was violence

    Yes we want answers but do you really think Tubs is going ask him any hard hitting questions

    Who is hailing him as a hero? His friends and family were there to greet him at the airport, there were obviously press there to cover the return as there is clear national interest in the story (on both 'sides'). I can't see how any of that can be objectively described as him being hailed as a hero.


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    #3174
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    Not exactly matching your wishes of 'leaving it at that' though is it?

    Which is it that you want? For him to fade off into the sunset and never be heard of again, or do you want him grilled to your satisfaction on TV?

    This, preferably. But if he is going to appear on TV to 'answer his critics' questions, then it should be on a programme like Prime Time.


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    #3175
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Not exactly matching your wishes of 'leaving it at that' though is it?

    Which is it that you want? For him to fade off into the sunset and never be heard of again, or do you want him grilled to your satisfaction on TV?

    I think what people would like is that if there are questions being asked, maybe ask a few hard hitting ones and not just ''were ya raging ya missed the Dubs lifting Sam.'' If there's questions, ask some decent ones, not begorrah Oirish sh*te.


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    #3176
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote:
    This, preferably.


    Then stop posting your rubbish here.


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    #3177
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    First Up wrote: »
    Then stop posting your rubbish here.

    Another intelligent, reasoned and well thought out post from First Up. Not to mention selective quoting.


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    #3178
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    I think what people would like is that if there are questions being asked, maybe ask a few hard hitting ones and not just ''were ya raging ya missed the Dubs lifting Sam.'' If there's questions, ask some decent ones, not begorrah Oirish sh*te.

    Exactly. If RTE are going to give him air time, then do it properly. The Late Late Show is not the appropriate place to interview him.


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    #3179
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote:
    Another intelligent, reasoned and well thought out post from First Up. Not to mention selective quoting.


    Doesn't matter what programme. If you want him to fade away, why are you keeping his name out there?


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    #3180
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I think what people would like is that if there are questions being asked, maybe ask a few hard hitting ones and not just ''were ya raging ya missed the Dubs lifting Sam.'' If there's questions, ask some decent ones, not begorrah Oirish sh*te.

    I don't believe it will just be that kind of stuff. I think he will be asked about his treatment in jail, including questions around torture.

    I don't believe he will be asked questions like 'So, are you a terrorist then.. or a terrorist sympahtiser.. do you plan on becoming a terrorist in the future?' That isn't a reference to your posts, but there's a definitely a few who would like to see an equally ludicrous and presumptive line of questioning.


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    #3181
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »
    Exactly. If RTE are going to give him air time, then do it properly. The Late Late Show is not the appropriate place to interview him.

    You believe it's the appropriate place to grill him because 'he has questions to answer'. I don't believe there is anything which he has done which requires an interrogation. The Egyptians had 4 years to do this, they were obviously happy he didn't have anything to answer for.

    And again, you cant have it both ways. Either he stays quiet or he doesn't.


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