Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

c68zapdsm5i1ru

givyjoe wrote: »

How is it relevant?

You said you were defending his human rights. I said they had been secured through the actions of our Government and by using tax payers money. I also said it was right and appropriate that had happened.

First Up

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

As I said, preferably he would stay quiet. If, as you state, he should answer his critics questions (and you said it, not I) then the Late Late Show is not the appropriate forum.
I have stated this several times, but you keep coming back asking the same questions.

And you're the one accusing people of 'banging on'. :rolleyes:

Was that sarcasm too?

Odhinn

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

You said you were defending his human rights. I said they had been secured through the actions of our Government and by using tax payers money. I also said it was right and appropriate that had happened.

The actions of HIS government. Your tone would suggest you think he's less worthy of this than the norm.

Ash.J.Williams

emo72 wrote: »

The fella did nothing wrong. The only question I have is, why was an Irish fella putting himself in harm's way for the Muslim Brotherhood? That's it. I can't get my head around it.

If an irish American teen was in dublin in 1916 there's a good chance he'd pull on the green jersey and fight for the family pride...
I know of a very high profile heavy metal musician that was escorted out of NI in a bullet proof bus simply because he received a ten minute history lesson from republican fans before a show and said the wrong thing on stage.... Unless you actually know Ibrahim... Just f** off

Nettle Soup

Of course he was going to appear on the LLS. Why wouldn't they try and secure an interview with him. I look forward to it.

givyjoe

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

You said you were defending his human rights. I said they had been secured through the actions of our Government and by using tax payers money. I also said it was right and appropriate that had happened.

Sorry, I meant the reference to tax payers money being spent. Obviously Government officials work costs money, just like any other public service.

Why make specific reference to money? Did they spend 'too much'?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Odhinn wrote: »

The actions of HIS government. Your tone would suggest you think he's less worthy of this than the norm.

Maybe you should read my posts on this thread, then. Why would I say 'his' government. I would say 'our government' about any other Irish citizen. It's an inclusive term, you know.

quintana76

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If an irish American teen was in dublin in 1916 there's a good chance he'd pull on the green jersey and fight for the family pride...
I know of a very high profile heavy metal musician that was escorted out of NI in a bullet proof bus simply because he received a ten minute history lesson from republican fans before a show and said the wrong thing on stage.... Unless you actually know Ibrahim... Just f** off

That's teen would be prepared to suffer the consequences of his actions.

Odhinn

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

Maybe you should read my posts on this thread, then. Why would I say 'his' government. I would say 'our government' about any other Irish citizen. It's an inclusive term, you know.

Not the way you're using it.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

givyjoe wrote: »

Sorry, I meant the reference to tax payers money being spent. Obviously Government officials work costs money, just like any other public service.

Why make specific reference to money? Did they spend 'too much'?

Why would you think they spent 'too much'? They spent what they had to, as I presume they would for any Irish citizen in the same situation. Therefore, his human rights were secured through Government effort and tax payers money.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Odhinn wrote: »

Not the way you're using it.

Can you explain that, please.

givyjoe

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

Why would you think they spent 'too much'? They spent what they had to, as I presume they would for any Irish citizen in the same situation. Therefore, his human rights were secured through Government effort and tax payers money.

You know well I don't think they spent too much, or you should. I quite clearly asked YOU that question. I've specifically asked you why you felt the need to add 'tax payers' money. I think we're all aware those folks don't work for free.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

givyjoe wrote: »

You know well I don't think they spent too much, or you should. I quite clearly asked YOU that question. I've specifically asked you why you felt the need to add 'tax payers' money. I think we're all aware those folks don't work for free.

I have no idea what you're on about. Genuinely, I'm bewildered.

Odhinn

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

Can you explain that, please.

There's a tone in your posts that suggests he's not quite irish. That its "our" government doing him a favour it should perhaps not. Likewise the jibe about "tax payers money". We've had a few years of this kind of thing, so you aren't the first or only one.

First Up

Silas Most Keypunch wrote:

Genuinely, I'm bewildered.

We know.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Odhinn wrote: »

There's a tone in your posts that suggests he's not quite irish. That its "our" government doing him a favour it should perhaps not. Likewise the jibe about "tax payers money". We've had a few years of this kind of thing, so you aren't the first or only one.

Well perhaps you should read all of my posts on this thread as you've obviously picked me up wrongly.

Beechwoodspark

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If an irish American teen was in dublin in 1916 there's a good chance he'd pull on the green jersey and fight for the family pride...
I know of a very high profile heavy metal musician that was escorted out of NI in a bullet proof bus simply because he received a ten minute history lesson from republican fans before a show and said the wrong thing on stage.... Unless you actually know Ibrahim... Just f** off

Charming !

The entire country knows ibrahim whether they like it or not at this stage !

The sisters and accomplices in the NGOs and media made sure of that long ago.

quintana76

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

I have no idea what you're on about. Genuinely, I'm bewildered.

He has just tied himself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. He has just now gone Gordian.

weldoninhio

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If an irish American teen was in dublin in 1916 there's a good chance he'd pull on the green jersey and fight for the family pride...
I know of a very high profile heavy metal musician that was escorted out of NI in a bullet proof bus simply because he received a ten minute history lesson from republican fans before a show and said the wrong thing on stage.... Unless you actually know Ibrahim... Just f** off

Probably the most nonsensical post on all of Boards, and that is quite an achievement. Nonsense with added speculation, hearsay and butt-hurt.

You can't pass comment on someone unless you know them personally now. Even if they've addressed a large MB crowd on video. Even if they've gone on Arab TV stating that the riots, killings etc were an "Islamic matter" and they would fight "to the last bullet" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I guess that'll be all the Trump, McGregor, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Katie Taylor, any threads on TV/movie personalities, sports stars etc getting closed off. Since i'm sure most of us on here don't know them.

Odhinn

weldoninhio wrote: »

Probably the most nonsensical post on all of Boards, and that is quite an achievement. Nonsense with added speculation, hearsay and butt-hurt.

You can't pass comment on someone unless you know them now. Even if they've addressed a large MB crowd on video. Even if they've gone on Arab TV stating that the riots, killings etc were an "Islamic matter" and they would fight "to the last bullet" :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I guess that'll be all the Trump, McGregor, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Katie Taylor, any threads on TV/movie personalities, sports stars etc getting closed off. Since i'm sure most of us on here don't know them.

I knew them all, when they hadn't an arse to their trousers.

Roger Hassenforder

Odhinn wrote: »

The actions of HIS government. Your tone would suggest you think he's less worthy of this than the norm.

he was imprisoned by his government as well.
You seem to have avoided this particular inconvenience to badger someone with a strawman

givyjoe

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

I have no idea what you're on about. Genuinely, I'm bewildered.

Easily confused then it seems. Let me break it down for you, your post rather oddly seemed to specifically mention 'tax payers' money, you've spoken quite clearly earlier in the thread that you had an issue that tax payers money was wasted due to his stupidity.. but are now saying the resources were rightly spent securing his release.

But by all means, pretend you don't know what I'm on about.

givyjoe

quintana76 wrote: »

He has just tied himself in knots trying to defend the indefensible. He has just now gone Gordian.

Have you even read my posts? Bizarre comment if you have. I've been pretty consistent with my posts on this thread, guys innocent, rightly released etc etc.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

givyjoe wrote: »

Easily confused then it seems. Let me break it down for you, your post rather oddly seemed to specifically mention 'tax payers' money, you've spoken quite clearly earlier in the thread that you had an issue that tax payers money was wasted due to his stupidity.. but are now saying the resources were rightly spent securing his release.

But by all means, pretend you don't know what I'm on about.

I said all along that the government were right in doing what they had to do but that he had got into trouble through his own actions and a lot of public resources and money had to be wasted in getting him home. So please stop implying that I'm changing my argument. My earlier posts are there for all to see.

You know, I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. I can keep repeating myself over and over and over as you keep asking the same questions in slightly different ways, like some kind of second rate barrister. But that is getting really boring.

Or I can tell you I'm not going to engage with you any more. But no doubt you will then start crowing that you've out argued me.

But your 'arguments' are so tedious, they really are.

Maybe, as I suggested a long time ago on this thread, we should just agree to differ. Life is really too short.

givyjoe

Silas Most Keypunch wrote: »

I said all along that the government were right in doing what they had to do but that he had got into trouble through his own actions and a lot of public resources and money had to be wasted in getting him home. So please stop implying that I'm changing my argument. My earlier posts are there for all to see.

You know, I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. I can keep repeating myself over and over and over as you keep asking the same questions in slightly different ways, like some kind of second rate barrister. But that is getting really boring.

Or I can tell you I'm not going to engage with you any more. But no doubt you will then start crowing that you've out argued me.

But your 'arguments' are so tedious, they really are.

Maybe, as I suggested a long time ago on this thread, we should just agree to differ. Life is really too short.

Bella, I think you'd be better off not resorting to insults. It really doesn't do anything to better your argument. They, like many of your arguments, are hypocritical and I could say the exact same thing of your and your points. Your posts are indeed there for all to see, I've read them. I'm here night and day after all.

You say the government were right in pursuing their actions to get him released, while at the same time say it was 'a waste of money'. Really it shouldn't be hard to see how those two points are incongruent. If you believe they wasted their money, then it's fair for us to assume that actually means you believe it should have spent elsewhere and NOT spent on Halawa.

By all means, don't engage but don't expect free reign to make points (some repeatedly) and not be challenged by those who disagree with you. It's also quite clearly not just myself that disagrees with your points.

Lastly you seem to paint me as someone shouting down the points made by others, while doing precisely that yourself.

Ken.

Mod-This crap has gone on long enough. Thread locked. Do not open a new thread on this subject or it will be locked.

Ken.

Mod-Re-opening this thread on the strict condition that the charter is adhered to and that common sense prevails.

The thread was previously closed as it was a colossal trainwreck.

Discuss the topic and stay civil with each other. There is an interview coming up that we want to have a civil discussion about, if you cannot remain civil don't post, or if the mod team feel that you are turning the thread into another incarnation of the trainwreck, we will ask you not to post in the thread.

Anyone previously thread banned is still thread banned.

No further warnings will be given. It'll be thread bans or worse from here on out.

Omackeral

Before the thread was closed, people were discussing this upcoming interview and what should and shouldn't be asked. The question needs to asked, is this a serious journalism piece or is it a poof piece? If it's a poof piece, then expect Tubridy to just say cringworthy but harmless stuff like ''You're just a normal Irish bloke, have you heard of these spice bags doing the rounds?''. If that's what it is then fine. I'd expect it will be that peppered with questions of his mistreatment but I don't expect any hard hitting questions at all.

These questions were put out as a possible ones to ask and I think there's a degree of fairness in them , along with the fluffy lighter ones;

mfceiling wrote: »

"Did you think going to Egypt on holidays was a clever thing to do?"

Did you address the crowd at a Muslim Brotherhood rally?

How did you feel that an openly gay minister greeted you at dublin airport?

Are you proud that the leader of Ireland is openly gay and campaigned for your release?

Being an interviwer/journalist should be about asking the comfortable and uncomfortable questions. Remain unbiased as you can while still showing humanity. It's not much to ask. I'd be shocked if we got it though.

gitzy16v

Its topical,seeing as it was in the Indo today so...
Should probably start off by asking our own Egyptian what he thinks of comments made by an Egyptian lawyer on tv saying that its an Egyptians national duty to rape scantily clad women(although ripped jeans wouldnt be scantily clad imo).
Then link into his protest and who he was protesting on behalf of,and does he realise that the MB agree with this Egyptian lawyers views on women.
Alas its the LLS hes appearing on so I doubt any questions like that would be entertained at all.

Ken.

Mod-Ibrahim Halawa was born in the coombe hospital. He is an Irish citizen. Next person that calls him anything else will serve a long long ban from AH