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Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    ......... wrote: »
    Answer the simple question then to clear it up what your position actually is - Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?

    You first. Admit you were wrong. Then I'll take you slowly to the next step.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 652 ✭✭✭DanielODonnell


    I thought this thread was going to be about the old band Steps getting the ban overturned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    You first. Admit you were wrong. Then I'll take you slowly to the next step.

    Wrong about what, I asked you a question, what would be bad about an alcohol free day ? - que rant.

    So I then asked you instead what Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?

    The same two questions still apply.

    Also, are you drunk ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Where did I say it would be a bad thing? Exactly?

    Here it is again for you. And reams of intellectually dishonest evasion and cowardice from you.

    Answer it.
    Then we take you to try to recognize your weak ad hominems with trying to characterize the exposure of the ban as religious as whining.

    Avoid sin! Repent!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Here it is again for you. And reams of intellectually dishonest evasion and cowardice from you.

    Answer it.
    Then we take you to try to recognize your weak ad hominems with trying to characterize the exposure of the ban as religious as whining.

    Avoid sin! Repent!

    And are you Drunk at the moment ?

    I don't know if you claim it to be a good thing or a bad thing.

    So, Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭JackieChang


    I just feel sorry for the poor tourists is all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    ......... wrote: »
    I don't know if you claim it to be a good thing or a bad thing.

    So, Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?

    And are you Drunk at the moment ?

    But you did already hence my demand for evidence and hence your constant evasion. You can't stand not setting the direction of this can you. It really gets under your skin. You should repent.

    If you had been paying any respect to what other people wrote you would have read my answer ages ago.

    More ad hominem. Why are you so hateful. Jesus taught you to love your enemies. Even those who expose how ridiculous your arguments and posturing is. Maybe you're a follower of one of the many other "revealed" gods with all their rules about clothes and animals. It's hard to tell them apart sometimes there are so many.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Lol. The last refuge of the remnants of a discredited morally bankrupt utterly inept church. The status quo. The ban is a relic. Like the child abusing church in charge of education. Hide behind the status quo for now. You know what is coming.

    You mean "tick tock " don't you?
    Nothings coming Fleawuss.
    This month next month and May the RCC buildings will all be full of families taking the sacraments.
    Dressed to kill and shaking hands with the Archbishop before getting a picture taken with the PP.
    Thousands of them.
    Then in September thousands of parents will produce a baptismal certificate at a principals office in the hope of getting their child into that school.
    Do you know why?
    Because that's what the people want.
    If they didn't want it it wouldn't happen.
    Simple as.
    Rant and rail and rave away about it if you like but as I said already real people have more to bother them then worrying about why the pub is closed on Good Friday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Why are the 90's pop group getting involved???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39 Saoirse1981


    Get whatever drink you want the day before. Leave God's Friday alone.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    infogiver wrote: »
    You mean "tick tock " don't you?
    Nothings coming Fleawuss.
    This month next month and May the RCC buildings will all be full of families taking the sacraments.
    Dressed to kill and shaking hands with the Archbishop before getting a picture taken with the PP.
    Thousands of them.
    Then in September thousands of parents will produce a baptismal certificate at a principals office in the hope of getting their child into that school.
    Do you know why?
    Because that's what the people want.
    If they didn't want it it wouldn't happen.
    Simple as.
    Rant and rail and rave away about it if you like but as I said already real people have more to bother them then worrying about why the pub is closed on Good Friday.

    LOL. Behold the days are coming. Hahaha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    'Alcohol bad overturned'

    I suspect the OP would have difficulty organising a piss up in a brewery any other day of the year. The 'bad' is safe for at least another year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Its not about "stocking up". It would be nice to go for a meal on Friday and
    have some wine with food.

    The ban is about imposing religious dogma, it does't matter if its one day
    or 100 days, if you are religious then don't drink but you have no right to stop others.

    Forcing you religious view on people is not ok!

    Christmas day should apply too.

    Please define "religious dogma"? Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I don't really drink much. It doesnt bother me at all that you cant purchase alcohol on that day. I like it, i think its a good 'Irish' thing. Like the angelus (even though i believe thats gone now, and im not at all religious either). I don't see why the rush to turn us into "Generic Euro Country #12".

    I like the little 'irish' things that appear.


    That said, even as a non-drinker, i think the restricted sale times for alcohol are a bit stupid and only hit the innocent people and not the people with alcohol issues (ie; the joe soap that fancies a drink but works shift work so cant juts pop in and buy it on the way home, etc).

    The Angelus most certainly is still here and thriving. Thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Personally its not great for tourism either, and does seem very strange to visitors who come here. Also if you really wanted to have a drink ya can always give 3 taps on the side window & your in.:D

    Nonsense. It is all a part of the charm of the auld sod. Some do complain on travel forums but then they are the ones who always complain anyways :rolleyes:

    Wonder how they would fare in eg UAE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Nomis21 wrote: »
    If you are over 66 years old you can go on the train to Cork for free with your Free pass and get a beer in the bar on there.


    Sheer desperate ingenuity! :rolleyes: Where there is a will... :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    thee glitz wrote: »
    It kinda is though, in that it moves with a church day of obligation.

    Well, in that case, add Sundays and the many, many other Holy Days of Obligation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ......... wrote: »
    No it's less that a holy day of obligation. And fasting and abstance is voluntary and applies to practicing Catholics. No one is forcing practicing Catholic to, they are supposed to want to for their own benefit. Also fasting refers to the reduction of one's intake of food, while abstinence refers to the suggested refraining from meat. A Catholic is not specifically required to abstain from alcohol on Good Friday, but they may well choose to do so. Also any penance can be substituted for another, it doesn't specifically have to be meat and/or alcohol they refrain from any more.

    Well expressed. Thank you. Non drinkers and non meat eaters make other penances and fasts. As do those barred from fasting by health considerations .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ......... wrote: »
    Then you'll have no problem quoting the CCC number which says they may not take any alcohol on good Friday. Let's see if you're telling the truth.


    All that our Catechism says re alcohol is this.

    Fasting
    The law of fasting requires a Catholic from the 18th Birthday (Canon 97) to the 59th Birthday (i.e. the beginning of the 60th year, a year which will be completed on the 60th birthday) to reduce the amount of food eaten from normal. The Church defines this as one meal a day, and two smaller meals which if added together would not exceed the main meal in quantity. Such fasting is obligatory on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. The fast is broken by eating between meals and by drinks which could be considered food (milk shakes, but not milk). Alcoholic beverages do not break the fast; however, they seem to be contrary to the spirit of doing penance.

    So no there is no ban on alcohol on Good Friday. Period.

    A longer explanation

    http://www.catholic.org/lent/abfast.php

    Also there is no such thing in our Catholic Church as a "Black Fast." That is an Orthodox tradition .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Fast


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    ......... wrote: »
    What tourists want pubs in particular open on good friday, or even care ?, can you produce any ? and do we really care if your friends have satanic style parties ?

    6:01 News habitually interviews dismayed tourists on GF.

    I said nothing about Satan or satanic style parties.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    thee glitz wrote: »
    6:01 News habitually interviews dismayed tourists on GF.

    I said nothing about Satan or satanic style parties.

    Dismayed tourists? Did they get mugged or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    thee glitz wrote: »
    6:01 News habitually interviews dismayed tourists on GF.

    I said nothing about Satan or satanic style parties.

    If the tourist's are staying in a hotel, they can drink as much as they'd like there.

    I worked in Pubs and hotels for years, there's people who would be in every Friday of the year and none of them complained about good Friday. One particular local would always come in for a meal with his wife early on Good Friday, only day of the year I ever seen her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    i love good friday as it is.
    house parties galore...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    I'm happy with the ban on good Friday and Christmas day. It's no big deal.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,371 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    As an out and out atheist, I think the ban is great. A few more fitted round the year would do no harm. When I was a student it was the day of the year for house parties. As a grown up, it literally makes no difference. I go into work as normal, I go home as normal. Its pretty much like any Friday that I choose not to go out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    May i propose a compromise? Why not move the ban to the Thursday? That way the zealots could still feel like they're excersising control over the country while the non believers won't be as inconvenienced


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭daisybelle2008


    ......... wrote: »

    So, Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?

    I think an alcohol free day is a good thing, but I don't think banning the sale of alcohol on good Friday is a good thing. People are free to go alcohol free that day if they want, just like the people who won't eat meat that day.

    The amount of liquor sold the day before and house parties would tell you it's not achieving any altruistic objective and affecting tourism trade negatively.

    You have the freedom to have an 'alcohol free day' every day of the year. You don't need the government to ban everyone whether they like it or not on a religious day of their choosing. Me being able to buy alcohol is not affecting anyone going 'alcohol free' that day if they want.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    It is one day a year. If someone can't manage without alcohol for one day a year then they have an alcohol dependency and should seek help.

    I don't drink 13 days out of 14. On a good Friday, that's 27 days out of 28. Where the hell is the dependency?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Good Friday wouldn't be half as much fun for many people if alcohol was sold. The amount of stockpiling and parties that go on would probably be missed if a relaxing of the ban did come to pass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭exaisle


    I spent more time reading OP's user handle than the the OP itself.
    I need a drink.

    It's the theory of knowledge, epistomology, backwards.
    Yeah. That about says it.

    I'd suggest the OP move to Iceland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,413 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    exaisle wrote: »
    I spent more time reading OP's user handle than the the OP itself.
    I need a drink.

    It's the theory of knowledge, epistomology, backwards.
    Yeah. That about says it.

    I'd suggest the OP move to Iceland.

    Iceland ? Marks and Spencer is nicer for grub.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    In a few years time the idiocy of this ban will be looked back on with wonder: it will fall under the Craggy Island category of how did we ever tolerate let alone legislate such mad regulation.

    The law actually names Good Friday. A day that moves every year with calculations of the moon. A day that is a Christian special day. It is bizarre and it has had its day. The only defense left for the hard core religious fanatics is that it is an anti alcohol abuse measure. A death grip on the status quo and a smokescreen for their forcing people to adhere to their bonkers ideology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GerryDerpy


    I think it's good to have a day where people are angered because they can't buy drink. It MAY get them to reflect on how sad it is that they are angered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    I think it's good to have a day where people are angered because they can't buy drink. It MAY get them to reflect on how sad it is that they are angered.

    This is really intellectually dishonest.

    How trivial it is to be able to drink on Good Friday proves what nonsense this is.

    What angers people is government overreach.
    It's absolutely none of the state's business as to whether someone can do anything they usually can on any arbitrarily chosen day.

    Is there a compelling reason for alcohol to be banned on any given day? No.
    That's it. That's the only argument required for repealing it.

    "Do you really need booze on Good Friday?", "It's just one day" and all that is begging the question. It presupposes that there was ever a valid reason for the ban in the first place and you now have to justify your supposed alcoholism.

    They're not an argument. They're an evasion of the actual problem people have with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    I think it's good to have a day where people are angered because they can't buy drink. It MAY get them to reflect on how sad it is that they are angered.

    Grand. Let's move it to the third Tuesday of January. Problem solved. You get to satisfy your self confessed delight at people being angered and your self confessed belief that having been angered they will reflect on your belief that they are sad and the added bonus of seeing the religious loons angered at losing another of their precious little controls on Irish life.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Gbear wrote: »
    This is really intellectually dishonest.

    How trivial it is to be able to drink on Good Friday proves what nonsense this is.

    What angers people is government overreach.
    It's absolutely none of the state's business as to whether someone can do anything they usually can on any arbitrarily chosen day.

    Is there a compelling reason for alcohol to be banned on any given day? No.
    That's it. That's the only argument required for repealing it.

    "Do you really need booze on Good Friday?", "It's just one day" and all that is begging the question. It presupposes that there was ever a valid reason for the ban in the first place and you now have to justify your supposed alcoholism.

    They're not an argument. They're an evasion of the actual problem people have with it.

    From an employment rights point of view it's a paid day off for bar staff. How do you deal with that element?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    god this old chestnut *sigh*. haven't people heard of purchasing alcohol beforehand - in a shop/off licence if drinking means that much to them.
    it's a catholic/christian country. if the state/church wish for pubs to be closed on good friday, as on christmas day, then so be it.
    those getting themselves into a know over it need to cop on.

    publicians will never convince me that the amount spewnt on good friday will be the difference between them staying in business or not.

    we're supposed to respect traditions/laws in other countries and to accept or at least attempt to understand them so why can't this law here be accepted also.
    it's one day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Grand. Let's move it to the third Tuesday of January. Problem solved.

    Most people who think it's a good idea to have one day healthy break from of alcohol sales, and one day with less alcohol related problems for the emergency services, families and cleaner streets, don't give a rats arse what day it happens to be on, so it can be moved to any suitable holiday weekend day.

    . . . thing is what are haters such as yourself you going to whinge about then ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I don't drink 13 days out of 14. On a good Friday, that's 27 days out of 28. Where the hell is the dependency?

    there is none, of course. the "if you can't manage a day without alcohol" dip****tery keeps being thrown out because the people throwing it out don't have an argument in support of the bann or why it should remain. so it's easier for them to make out anyone drinking on good friday or who are against the bann, are so because they are alcoholics. it's pathetic quite frankly.
    GerryDerpy wrote: »
    I think it's good to have a day where people are angered because they can't buy drink. It MAY get them to reflect on how sad it is that they are angered.

    it won't. the only thing to reflect on here is that we are losing out on much needed revenue, and businesses aren't allowed to trade because "reasons" . not only that, but if those businesses do open chances are the penalties for doing so are high if caught, which no doubt they would be as gardai are expected to waste what little resources they have on the issue. so, what exactly is the point of it remaining? none really.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    ......... wrote: »
    Most people who think it's a good idea to have a day free of alcohol sales don't give a rats arse what day it happens to be on, so it can be moved to anyday

    . . . thing is what are haters such as yourself you going to whinge about then ?

    Third Tuesday of January so. Win win and win. Unless of course "god" loses.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    infogiver wrote: »

    From an employment rights point of view it's a paid day off for bar staff. How do you deal with that element?

    In what sense? Bar staff aren't the only ones selling booze.

    If you really wanted to you could have "Bar staff appreciation day" to give them the day off without prohibiting alcohol, but I don't see why giving bar staff a day off is relevant.

    Are there assorted paid holidays other professions are entitled to on arbitrary days at the expense of the rights of the public?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    god this old chestnut *sigh*. haven't people heard of purchasing alcohol beforehand - in a shop/off licence if drinking means that much to them.
    it's a catholic/christian country. if the state/church wish for pubs to be closed on good friday, as on christmas day, then so be it.
    those getting themselves into a know over it need to cop on.

    publicians will never convince me that the amount spewnt on good friday will be the difference between them staying in business or not.

    we're supposed to respect traditions/laws in other countries and to accept or at least attempt to understand them so why can't this law here be accepted also.
    it's one day.


    ireland is not a catholic country. putting catholic down on a form doesn't make you catholic. the vast vast majority of people are only catholic when it suits them. what the church wants is irrelevant. those getting themselves into a know over dictation from an irrelevant body on the basis of nothing do not need to cop on. publicans don't have to convince you of anything. i wouldn't be the most sympathetic toards publicans myself so it really isn't about them but the principal of selected businesses being unable to trade on the basis of nothing. it's one day means jot. laws have to earn respect and they also have to mitagate against something. this law doesn't mitagate against something and it doesn't deserve respect and it won't be respected.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    Third Tuesday of January so. Win win and win. Unless of course "god" loses.

    ah yes whining about god you allegedly don't believe in, but spending an inordinate amount of time whining about, so as we thought, nothing to do with day free of alcohol sales or good Friday at all then.

    what happens if the third Tuesday of January happens to be a saints day, how will you stop yourself having a hate heart attack then ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    ......... wrote: »
    ah yes whining about god you allegedly don't believe in, but spending an inordinate amount of time whining about, so as we thought, nothing to do with day free of alcohol sales or good Friday at all then.

    what happens if the third Tuesday of January happens to be a saints day, how will you stop yourself having a hate heart attack then ?

    "Whining", "allegedly", "inordinate", "we", "hate heart attack". Distorted view of the thread.

    It's irrelevant if the day is of some other religious significance because it will be chosen at random and declared alcohol free day for public health reasons with a clear rationale not based on the religious practice. How could you possibly object? Unless of course "your god" loses. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    While the law is silly and outdated, it is irrelevant to my life. One can always buy enough alcohol the days beforehand and there is rarely anything on in the pubs near me Fridays anyway. Saturday is the main night in pubs and Friday can be one of the deadest. So, if the pub was open on a Good Friday, I most likely would not be going.

    Religious intolerance of alcohol is a whole other issue. Certain hardliners in Christianity and Islam will try and convince you that those 2 religions ban the drinking of alcohol which is 100% a lie and an exaggeration of advice in the holy books that do NOT ban consumption of alcohol but of drunkenness and disorderliness caused by it. You'll find all religions allow one to drink but not to hurt others because of it.

    As for why the GF ban still exists, I'd say the vintners association. It is a day off for the publicans pure and simple. Especially when it is a quiet night of the week in many pubs anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    When I read the thread title I thought the 2000's pop band Steps was pushing the Free state government to get rid of the Good Friday ban.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    When I read the thread title I thought the 2000's pop band Steps was pushing the Free state government to get rid of the Good Friday ban.

    Yes that's correct. It's all just a publicity stunt to promote their comeback


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,279 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    learn_more wrote: »
    Yes that's correct. It's all just a publicity stunt to promote their comeback

    let's hope there never is a come back for them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I for one would totally oppose repealing the good Friday ban. It would totally ruin oje of the most fun days of the year - the annual, epic session on good Friday is one of the only ways as an adult to recapture the teenage feeling of "hehehe, we're getting locked when we shouldn't" :D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Gbear wrote: »
    In what sense? Bar staff aren't the only ones selling booze.

    If you really wanted to you could have "Bar staff appreciation day" to give them the day off without prohibiting alcohol, but I don't see why giving bar staff a day off is relevant.

    Are there assorted paid holidays other professions are entitled to on arbitrary days at the expense of the rights of the public?

    Bar staff have to be available to work 363 days of the year. They get there 20 days holidays and PH like everyone else. One of the AL days happens to be fixed as GF, the other is CD. In an industry where mon to fri doesn't exist this allows them to plan off duty time with no quibble at least twice a year.
    I would like you to point out to me where your "rights" as a person include a "right" to go into a pub and be served drink by another person.
    What industry do you work in? Is your place of employment open to the public 363 days a year? Is part of your employment contract that you have to be available 363 days? If not then why not? Surely it's my right as a member of the public that I be able to access whatever business you are in for at least 363 days?
    If you want to take GF off them


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