Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

17-03-2017 9:25pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On Good Friday and Christmas Day, I am always envious of those in the Rovers Return having a drink.

You know you can drink on these days right?
You just can't buy drink

thee glitz · 17-03-2017 9:41pm

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

Who really cares? 1 day, so I'm guessing the effect in tourism is less than 1/3 of 1%. Hardly worth it.

Is it that fraction though... it's a bank holiday weekend and time of celebration and recreation here, in the UK, and US amongst others. There's no compelling (to me) reason for pubs to shut. If the government wanted to show deference given the day, I believe allowing pubs to open from say 5pm would achieve that.

......... · 17-03-2017 9:48pm

thee glitz wrote: »

It kinda is though, in that it moves with a church day of obligation.

Good Friday isn't a holy day of obligation in the Church

thee glitz wrote: »

For the sake of tourists, I'd like to see pubs open on GF. It doesn't bother me and I can get a pint if I want anyway (probably in Connolly). A friend of mine hosts an annual 'crucifixion party' but I usually spend it with family if not working.

What tourists want pubs in particular open on good friday, or even care ?, can you produce any ? and do we really care if your friends have satanic style parties ?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-03-2017 9:52pm

......... wrote: »

Good Friday isn't a holy day of obligation in the Church

No, you're right. It's more than that. It's a day of fast and abstinence, including abstinence from alcohol.

Live65a846d0ee · 17-03-2017 9:54pm

Have a referendum on the banking of all religion, if we did that we would watch our glorious nation grow.

ygolometsipe · 17-03-2017 9:54pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you are challenged by having to buy your alcohol up to 24 hours in advance, then I think you have bigger problems to be worrying about than Good Friday.

This seems to be a very common argument strategy in this thread.

A lot of posters (childishly/naively) try to make the issue about one's inability to abstain from alcohol for the one single day rather then the real issue.

It might be mentally too difficult for you, but you need to compartmentalize the difference between "abstaining" and the legal right to purchase.

If you cannot do this you have far bigger problems than you know.

The real issue is the legal ban on the sale of alcohol which is rooted in religious ideology.

Religion should have no baring on my life in anyway whatsoever.
If it does, then I am at the mercy of your religion, you wouldn't be so blase about this if you couldn't buy pork on a particular day because of someone else's religion.

Its about equality, if you want a fair society then you take others views seriously.

liam7831 · 17-03-2017 9:55pm

Is this about Steps Comeback

wakka12 · 17-03-2017 9:57pm

jackwigan wrote: »

Good Friday is April 14th. Today is March 17th. You have nearly a month to prepare.

My advice on Thursday the 16th of March go into an off-licence. Buy enough alcohol to last you during Friday. Problem solved, you're welcome.

*Note: This also works for Christmas

The OP is not stupid, he clearly stated that the problem here was not obtaining alcohol but the fact that the church gets to dictate how non religious citizens live their lives. They shouldn't be able to do that, no matter how small or insignificant the 'control' may be

SteM · 17-03-2017 9:57pm

My wife's from London. The first time she came over here years ago was on Good Friday. She said there was a bunch of lads on the plane on a stag weekend, they spent the entire flight talking about where they were going drinking in Temple Bar that night. Mustn't have done their homework.

RockSalto · 17-03-2017 10:00pm

......... wrote: »

because Diageo needs a replacement for the puke fest that was "Aurhur's Day" and Good Friday would be perfect.

Arthur's day! Forgot about the sham of a day. And the idiots who indulged it.

17-03-2017 10:04pm

So which part of religion bans me from buying alcohol after 10pm in shops?
Or before 12.30pm on a Sunday?

Its just licensing law, what does it matter the origin of it?

wakka12 · 17-03-2017 10:07pm

bubblypop wrote: »

So which part of religion bans me from buying alcohol after 10pm in shops?
Or before 12.30pm on a Sunday?

Its just licensing law, what does it matter the origin of it?

Because why should religion have any bearings on alcohol licensing laws in any way shape or form??????

......... · 17-03-2017 10:08pm

Hallie Clean Tractor wrote: »

No, you're right. It's more than that. It's a day of fast and abstinence, including abstinence from alcohol.

No it's less that a holy day of obligation. And fasting and abstance is voluntary and applies to practicing Catholics. No one is forcing practicing Catholic to, they are supposed to want to for their own benefit. Also fasting refers to the reduction of one's intake of food, while abstinence refers to the suggested refraining from meat. A Catholic is not specifically required to abstain from alcohol on Good Friday, but they may well choose to do so. Also any penance can be substituted for another, it doesn't specifically have to be meat and/or alcohol they refrain from any more.

17-03-2017 10:08pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Because why should religion have any bearings on alcohol licensing laws in any way shape or form??????

But they don't anymore.
That's merely the origin of the law, I presume.

......... · 17-03-2017 10:08pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Because why should religion have any bearings on alcohol licensing laws in any way shape or form??????

It doesn't. The government makes licensing laws, and is always free to remove and change them any time they choose, and they often have.

RockSalto · 17-03-2017 10:11pm

Hallie Clean Tractor wrote: »

No, you're right. It's more than that. It's a day of fast and abstinence, including abstinence from alcohol.

Yeah I better lock my doors and windows and draw the curtains in case an angry mob of priests try to get in and force me to stop drinking.

BalcombeSt4 · 17-03-2017 10:31pm

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Its not about "stocking up". It would be nice to go for a meal on Friday and
have some wine with food.

The ban is about imposing religious dogma, it does't matter if its one day
or 100 days, if you are religious then don't drink but you have no right to stop others.

Forcing you religious view on people is not ok!

Christmas day should apply too.

Just get over it. I'm an atheist as well and none of my rights or your rights are being ignored and nobody is forcing their religous views on us.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 17-03-2017 10:36pm

......... wrote: »

No it's less that a holy day of obligation. And fasting and abstance is voluntary and applies to practicing Catholics. No one is forcing practicing Catholic to, they are supposed to want to for their own benefit. Also fasting refers to the reduction of one's intake of food, while abstinence refers to the suggested refraining from meat. A Catholic is not specifically required to abstain from alcohol on Good Friday, but they may well choose to do so. Also any penance can be substituted for another, it doesn't specifically have to be meat and/or alcohol they refrain from any more.

I suggest you read the CCC. Good Friday is a 'black fast' which does include abstinence from alcohol.

But we digress.

Why shouldn't non Christians have a drink in Ireland on Good Friday?

......... · 17-03-2017 10:42pm

Hallie Clean Tractor wrote: »

I suggest you read the CCC. Good Friday is a 'black fast' which does include abstinence from alcohol.

Then you'll have no problem quoting the CCC number which says they may not take any alcohol on good Friday. Let's see if you're telling the truth.

Hallie Clean Tractor wrote: »

Why shouldn't non Christians have a drink in Ireland on Good Friday?

Where did I claim they shouldn't ? Tell the truth. Also you do realise that people can drink whatever they want on good friday. Only the sale of alcohol is not available.

Solomon Pleasant · 17-03-2017 10:45pm

OP if you can't survive 24 hours without a drink I'd suggest you have a problem.

Unbelievable.

Christy42 · 17-03-2017 11:38pm

......... wrote: »

It doesn't. The government makes licensing laws, and is always free to remove and change them any time they choose, and they often have.

And they picked this random Friday because...

Mrs OBumble · 17-03-2017 11:43pm

Christy42 wrote: »

And they picked this random Friday because...

Goodness only knows.

But if it was for religious reasons, i wouldn't have to work that day. I do.

topmanamillion · 17-03-2017 11:43pm

I`m against blanket bans on the sale of alcohol based on religious reason.
If individuals want to close their businesses on religious days and lose out on business that's their decision.

However, I would be in favour of the banning of the sale of alcohol on more days throughout the year. Simply as a public health exercise.
I`m not particularly sure how successful this would be as my experience of attending sporting events on good Friday is I find some of the most drunk people I`ve ever seen in the stands with me. Still worth a trial run though.

P.S I do drink.

Ferrari3600 · 17-03-2017 11:46pm

alcohol bad?

osarusan · 18-03-2017 12:00am

These 'if you can't manage a day without alcohol you have a problem' posts are painful, infantile stuff.

Particularly when the thread has contained a good number of posts highlighting just how simple it is to get alcohol in advance, if you really want to drink on that day.

Irish Guitarist · 18-03-2017 12:08am

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Its not about "stocking up". It would be nice to go for a meal on Friday and
have some wine with food.

The ban is about imposing religious dogma, it does't matter if its one day
or 100 days, if you are religious then don't drink but you have no right to stop others.

Forcing you religious view on people is not ok!

Christmas day should apply too.

If it was because of 'religious dogma' you wouldn't be able to buy a meal containing meat either.

Christy42 · 18-03-2017 12:38am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Goodness only knows.

But if it was for religious reasons, i wouldn't have to work that day. I do.

So we have a law and I can't find anyone who can tell why it is there. Yet for some reason people still want to keep it and none can give a solid reason.

Shockingly I feel like we have reached a conclusion that law should be removed.

I do love the logic that if only one of rules a religion sets out is imposed by law that it can't have been in for religious reasons.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 12:46am

Christy42 wrote: »

So we have a law and I can't find anyone who can tell why it is there. Yet for some reason people still want to keep it and none can give a solid reason.

Shockingly I feel like we have reached a conclusion that law should be removed.

I do love the logic that if only one of rules a religion sets out is imposed by law that it can't have been in for religious reasons.

Spot on. Some of the replies here are worthy of Trump. People denying that the ban is religious based. People getting stroppy and demanding a work around. People claiming the status quo (yeah yeah (not the Beatles either)) has won the argument. Utterly idiotic bilge.

Here's the message for all the god botherers of whatever flavor: follow your own religious rules in your own daft little life and stop trying to impose them on others and above all Fcuk off trying to get the law of the land uphold your nonsense. For clarity, Fcuk off.

allthedoyles · 18-03-2017 12:48am

I would consider myself a Roman Catholic , but usually eat meat on Ash Weds and Good Friday .

Will drink alcohol on Good Friday too . It doesn't bother me .

topmanamillion · 18-03-2017 1:01am

allthedoyles wrote: »

I would consider myself a Roman Catholic , but usually eat meat on Ash Weds and Good Friday .

Will drink alcohol on Good Friday too . It doesn't bother me .

I don't believe in God.
Still a Catholic, obviously.

......... · 18-03-2017 1:03am

Christy42 wrote: »

So we have a law and I can't find anyone who can tell why it is there. Yet for some reason people still want to keep it and none can give a solid reason.

Because the government put it there. The people of on this thread who want to keep have all given the similar non religious reason, that there's more than enough alcohol availability and its misuse in Ireland every other day of the year

Christy42 wrote: »

Shockingly I feel like we have reached a conclusion that law should be removed.

Where ?, so far most people on the thread are ether Meh who cares, or may as well leave it in place to give us all a break from the puke and piss filled antics on the streets and A&E for one day.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:10am

......... wrote: »

Because the government put it there. The people of on this thread who want to keep have all given the similar non religious reason, that there's more than enough alcohol availability and its misuse in Ireland every other day of the year

Where ?, so far most people on the thread are ether Meh who cares, or may as well leave it in place to give us all a break from the puke and piss filled antics on the streets and A&E for one day.

Lol. So let's pick the the third Friday in January and have it alcohol free day. Everyone is happy. And the state clearly withdraws its legal enforcement of a religious Day which oddly enough moved around every year. Odd that the legal ban moved toexactly the same day every year as the religious day. But nothing to see here. So, alcohol free day in January.

......... · 18-03-2017 1:17am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Lol. So let's pick the the third Friday in January and have it alcohol free day. Everyone is happy. And the state clearly withdraws its legal enforcement of a religious Day which oddly enough moved around every year. Odd that the legal ban moved toexactly the same day every year as the religious day. But nothing to see here. So, alcohol free day in January.

sure, what would be wrong with it exactly, and encourage people to do something more healthy while they are at it. why would that be such a bad thing exactly ?

Christy42 · 18-03-2017 1:18am

......... wrote: »

Because the government put it there. The people of on this thread who want to keep have all given the similar non religious reason, that there's more than enough alcohol availability and its misuse in Ireland every other day of the year

Where ?, so far most people on the thread are ether Meh who cares, or may as well leave it in place to give us all a break from the puke and piss filled antics on the streets and A&E for one day.

Because the government put it there is not a good enough reason to have it. You need a reason to keep it. Why is it there. Stopping people buying alcohol buying on good Friday is not doing anything to stop alcohol misuse. That is a terrible reason.

Where? The post saying there is no reason for the law. I mean if it is doing some good then expand it surely? Otherwise admit it does nothing to avoid alcohol misuse and get over it

Oh and the reason the government stuck it there in the first place was religious. I always like that these nice quaint leftovers have to coincide with religious reasons though they apparently have no relation to the religious reason.

How are you combating alcohol abuse? Oh we ban alcohol sales on the Friday before the first Sunday after the paschal full moon. I totally see a government coming up with this for non religious reasons.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:22am

......... wrote: »

sure, what would be wrong with it exactly, and encourage people to do something more healthy while they are at it. why would that be such a bad thing exactly ?

Where did I say it would be a bad thing? Exactly?

......... · 18-03-2017 1:27am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Where did I say it would be a bad thing? Exactly?

so you think an alcohol free day is a good idea ? or what are you whinging about exactly ?

infogiver · 18-03-2017 1:32am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Lol. So let's pick the the third Friday in January and have it alcohol free day. Everyone is happy. And the state clearly withdraws its legal enforcement of a religious Day which oddly enough moved around every year. Odd that the legal ban moved toexactly the same day every year as the religious day. But nothing to see here. So, alcohol free day in January.

If the law was changed about buying drink on good Friday what would you moan about instead?
You'd better not go to live in Switzerland Fleawuss. All the public holidays are religious holidays and every ****ing thing is closed

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:44am

......... wrote: »

so you think an alcohol free day is a good idea ? or what are you whinging about exactly ?

Ah. The best you can do. What a weak attempt to deal with the fact you were nailed. And then to try to characterize my pointing out the absurdity of the thing as whinging because you can't face the exposure of your spurious defense of a religiously based ban. Truly weak thinking.

......... · 18-03-2017 1:46am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Ah. The best you can do. What a weak attempt to deal with the fact you were nailed. And then to try to characterize my pointing out the absurdity of the thing as whinging because you can't face the exposure of your spurious defense of a religiously based ban. Truly weak thinking.

nailed with what, you are the one refusing to answer the question and instead are running away from it

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:48am

infogiver wrote: »

If the law was changed about buying drink on good Friday what would you moan about instead?
You'd better not go to live in Switzerland Fleawuss. All the public holidays are religious holidays and every ****ing thing is closed

You don't like people who want a secular state free from all the mumbo jumbo of so called self proclaimed revealed religions. Fair enough. But at least try to have some sort of cogent defense of theocracy and why the state should enforce religious rules other than trying to personalize attacks on posters. It shows you up badly.

Sorry to hear Switzerland is so backward. But then given its reputation for ethics free banking it might need the cover given by such hypocritical posturing as you describe.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:49am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Where did I say it would be a bad thing? Exactly?

That's the question you are running from. Answer it.

......... · 18-03-2017 1:51am

Fleawuss wrote: »

That's the question you are running from. Answer it.

So clarify, if you don't think an alcohol free day is a bad thing what are you whining about ?

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:54am

......... wrote: »

So clarify, if you don't think an alcohol free day is a bad thing what are you whining about ?

You didn't answer my question. You evaded it because you can't admit you were wrong.

Why are you trying to characterize anything as "whining". That's just another evasion of the fact that the basis of the ban is religious. It's intellectually disnonest and cowardly.

......... · 18-03-2017 1:56am

Fleawuss wrote: »

You didn't answer my question. You evaded it because you can't admit you were wrong.

Why are you trying to characterize anything as "whining". That's just another evasion of the fact that the basis of the ban is religious. It's intellectually disnonest and cowardly.

Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing, because it's not clear. Simple question for you to answer if you are Intellectually honest and not a coward.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 1:58am

......... wrote: »

Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing, because it's not clear. Simple question for you to answer if you are Intellectually honest and not a coward.

Why are you evading my question. You can't point out where I said it was a bad thing so you just try to brush it aside. Not happening. Admit you were wrong and Ill take you slowly to the next step.

infogiver · 18-03-2017 2:02am

Fleawuss wrote: »

You don't like people who want a secular state free from all the mumbo jumbo of so called self proclaimed revealed religions. Fair enough. But at least try to have some sort of cogent defense of theocracy and why the state should enforce religious rules other than trying to personalize attacks on posters. It shows you up badly.

Sorry to hear Switzerland is so backward. But then given its reputation for ethics free banking it might need the cover given by such hypocritical posturing as you describe.

Lol fleawuss you really have a bee in your bonnet! If the people didn't want the ban to continue then the law would be changed just like if they didn't want the schools to be Catholic they would make their feelings known to their TDs and they would march in the streets as they did about the water charges. And women's rights. And abortion,
I'm afraid you'll have to accept that the vast majority don't give a damn about the pubs closing on good Friday and the schools being run to a Catholic ethos.
It's just not important to people one way or the other, mostly because people have real things to worry about like bad health or financial woes, kids, jobs,housing, bills, elderly parents etc.
That's just the way it goes.

......... · 18-03-2017 2:04am

Fleawuss wrote: »

Why are you evading my question. You can't point out where I said it was a bad thing so you just try to brush it aside. Not happening. Admit you were wrong and Ill take you slowly to the next step.

Then you should have no problem being clear, because it's not - Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ? Simple question for you to answer if you are Intellectually honest and not a coward.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 2:06am

infogiver wrote: »

Lol fleawuss you really have a bee in your bonnet! If the people didn't want the ban to continue then the law would be changed just like if they didn't want the schools to be Catholic they would make their feelings known to their TDs and they would march in the streets as they did about the water charges. And women's rights. And abortion,
I'm afraid you'll have to accept that the vast majority don't give a damn about the pubs closing on good Friday and the schools being run to a Catholic ethos.
It's just not important to people one way or the other, mostly because people have real things to worry about like bad health or financial woes, kids, jobs,housing, bills, elderly parents etc.
That's just the way it goes.

Lol. The last refuge of the remnants of a discredited morally bankrupt utterly inept church. The status quo. The ban is a relic. Like the child abusing church in charge of education. Hide behind the status quo for now. You know what is coming.

Fleawuss · 18-03-2017 2:07am

......... wrote: »

Then you should have no problem being clear, because it's not - Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ? Simple question for you to answer if you are Intellectually honest and not a coward.

More evasion. More dishonesty. It was clear to you when You made an accusation for which I demanded evidence. Just admit you were wrong. It's the Christian thing to do.

......... · 18-03-2017 2:10am

Fleawuss wrote: »

More evasion. More dishonesty. It was clear to you when You made an accusation for which I demanded evidence. Just admit you were wrong. It's the Christian thing to do.

Answer the simple question then to clear it up what your position actually is - Do you think an alcohol free day is a good thing or a bad thing ?

Steps to get good friday alcohol ban overturned.

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