SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393

The flying mouse · 19-09-2016 01:08PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I like the mantra that Mayo can't improve themselves whilst still play the exact same level of pressure and physical encounter style football that sedates Dublin's style. Diarmuid O Connor has room for improvement, Seamy O Shea also, and AOS has room for improvement.

The confidence Mayo will have gained from that game yesterday is brilliant. First All Ireland they havent lost in 65 years and the resilience and composure and battle they showed to peak at this time of year is something for Dublin to be very worried about.

Dublin will improve, but the frustration from yesterday will be something that may get into their heads. Great mental strength in that Dublin team also but 4 points from play, zero points for almost half the match, its startling what happened to them.

Dublin will be favourites and rightfully so but Gavin will have a lot to think about also, more than he has ever to think about going into a game.

Mayo are in a better position going into this game than Dublin are and if there was any sort of mindset in the players of anything lower than 100% confidence in their ability to take Dublin before yesterday, it is surely gone now. I reckon every Mayo player coming off that field has complete confidence that they can finish the job.

They clearly are a team that don't buy into the "hard luck Mayo" , "weak minded", "never get over the line" mentality that most of the rest ofthe country have of them.

They were here before in 1996 against Meath after first game was drawn, so they didn't lose that one either but did go on to loose the replay, more noted for its huge fight between teams at the hill than the match proper.

AGC · 19-09-2016 01:09PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Nothing funny about it. Closed fist, contact with the face and top of the head when on the ground. Hes a moron

There was no closed fist contact with his head.

The Talking Bread · 19-09-2016 01:18PM

The flying mouse wrote: »

They were here before in 1996 against Meath after first game was drawn, so they didn't lose that one either but did go on to loose the replay, more noted for its huge fight between teams at the hill than the match proper.

sorry I meant to qualify the Meath game as a game they effectively "lost" in a roundabout kind of way. Completely different circumstances as they threw that game away, think they were 6 or 7 points up into the second half and 4 points or so going into the last ten minutes.

Yes by literal facts you are correct but in a sporting context they lost the game that day.

Anyway, all these past results are spurious, as I am sure you will agree in that we are probably dealing with the most mentally strong Mayo team ever. How they have handled all these narrow disappointments and just kept coming back time after time.

ps, lets not get into the whole "facts are facts" pedantic rigramole! (just in case you are one of those type of posters (not saying you are!) )
I am sure you get my point re the Meath draw

jon1981 · 19-09-2016 01:20PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There absolutely is when Keegan is down on the ground. Its not clean, a glancing blow, but it's a definite punch. Keegan's no saint, but Connolly is filth

Would you go way with that utter nonsense! Given the harassment Connolly has to put up with... he is taking far more abuse/bullying than he dishes out!

Moo Moo Land · 19-09-2016 01:23PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There absolutely is when Keegan is down on the ground. Its not clean, a glancing blow, but it's a definite punch. Keegan's no saint, but Connolly is filth

Irrespective of the handbags, I think it's an awful shame that Keegan is told to follow Connolly all over Croke Park to quieten and annoy him. Keegan was like a limpet on him yesterday and ignored most of the play. They are 2 fabulous footballers, let them play football. Such a waste, these negative/scared/underhand tactics. Keegan can be a game changer if left to his own devices.

Blud · 19-09-2016 01:26PM

Hard to sum up that game really, but from a Mayo perspective:

Clarke made some great saves, but has serious work to do on his kickouts over the next couple of weeks. Very nearly cost us the game, but kept us in it at the same time.

Harrison - came of age, was very good in tracking runs, had Brogan in his pocket.

Vaughan - kicked two good scores and worked like a dog. Typical of him really, expect the same next week.

Higgins - cleaned Rock out of it, but was poor on the ball. Lost possession a couple of times and ballooned one silly shot, room for serious improvement.

Keegan - sacrificed himself, Connolly must hate him.

Boyle - was poor I thought, had a strange first half and could have been pulled earlier. Looked too excitable or something.

Durcan- excellent as well, was a big part in keeping the Dublin half forward line out of it.

SOS - poor, and won't be as poor again. All the talk of the improving that Dublin can do ignores that we were cleaned out at midfield, and are unlikely to be as bad again there.

Parsons - lost Fenton too often. Contributed in his own way, but can do a lot better.

McLoughlin - OK, covered space well as sweeper but at the same time it was Small who was left free and ended up doing some damage.

AOS - started off OK and won some ball, but didnt have any impact really. Got on some ball in the second half when he came deep, but that shot near the end is borderline drop-him material.

DOC - ran himself into the ground, but again can do better. His stamina just doesn't match his direct running game so naturally fades in the second half, but is still a great man to run at a Dublin defence that doesn't like it.

Doherty - did well, proved a good link player and got through some amount of work.

Moran - for all th talk about how good Cooper was for Dublin, Moran still kicked 2 from play and won a lot of ball n the full forward line. Having a serious year.

COC - pure class. Everything he did was right. The comparisons with Rock on here before the game proved laughable.

Overall, much to improve on but a lot to take from the game too. Much happier now than before the game, much more confident in our chances. Need the bodies to recover for a week, then go again.

On another note, best wishes to Regan in recovering, looked in a bad way coming off the pitch.

Ted111 · 19-09-2016 01:28PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There absolutely is when Keegan is down on the ground.

Two years ago they were able to rip connollys shirt off.
Leroy falls to the ground in a failed effort to rip his shirt yesterday.
He mustn't be eatin enough steak. Maybe it's turning 30 years of age.

Biloxi Blues · 19-09-2016 01:28PM

jon1981 wrote: »

Would you go way with that utter nonsense! Given the harassment Connolly has to put up with... he is taking far more abuse/bullying than he dishes out!

If Connolly hadn't been the gloryhunting bully on his own team mate, Kilkenny, with the line ball yesterday you'd be celebrating another All Ireland now. Ask Ryan McHugh or Keegan himself about Connolly's antics. Of course, no "harrassment" ever by the likes of McMahon, Cooper, McCarthy etc ? Is eye-gouging and biting "harrassment" or just 'proper man's game' stuff?

AGC · 19-09-2016 01:32PM

Weepsie wrote: »

There absolutely is when Keegan is down on the ground. Its not clean, a glancing blow, but it's a definite punch. Keegan's no saint, but Connolly is filth

Watch the replays he does not make contact with a punch to his head - When Keegan falls Connolly is lashing out trying to remove Keegans hand from is jersey, one catches his should the other his arm.

TITANIUM. · 19-09-2016 01:35PM

Kauto wrote: »

Dublin played a very poor Kerry team in the semi. Mayo are a different level to Kerry.

And what pray tell are you basing this assumption on?

Dyr · 19-09-2016 01:40PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Yes but your comment would make it sound like Mayo were 6 up and threw a chance away. Not the case at all. Being handed 6 points in an all ireland is absolutely huge.

As for Dublin, they were gash. But that was down to Mayo.

lol freak goals, another excuse added to the pantheon of excuses.

But not to worry so, lightning can't strike twice in the same place can it? Mayo will have a handy win in two weeks time I'm sure you'll agree

Blud · 19-09-2016 01:42PM

AGC wrote: »

Watch the replays he does not make contact with a punch to his head - When Keegan falls Connolly is lashing out trying to remove Keegans hand from is jersey, one catches his should the other his arm.

There's a video on youtube, I think you should watch it again.

The camera pans to them and at that stage they're already both holding each other's jersey, nothing major. Keegan uses his free hand to try to knock Connolly's grip off - it's Keegan who first tries to get away. Connolly then seems to stick a closed fist into Keenan's face - wouldn't really call it a punch though. Keegan goes to slap that hand away and Connolly slaps Keegan in the face. Then Connolly tries to rip Keegan shirt off him and ends up dragging him down, Keegan goes down but still hasn't let go of the shirt so Connolly continues throwing slaps at Keegan arm.

That is literally what happens. Connolly more the aggressor than Keegan, very clearly from the video.

Peist2007 · 19-09-2016 01:45PM

Bambi wrote: »

lol freak goals, another excuse added to the pantheon of excuses.

But not to worry so, lightning can't strike twice in the same place can it? Mayo will have a handy win in two weeks time I'm sure you'll agree

I actually do think Mayo will win in two weeks. The better team.

AGC · 19-09-2016 01:46PM

Blud wrote: »

There's a video on youtube, I think you should watch it again.

The camera pans to them and at that stage they're already both holding each other's jersey, nothing major. Keegan uses his free hand to try to knock Connolly's grip off - it's Keegan who first tries to get away. Connolly then seems to stick a closed fist into Keenan's face - wouldn't really call it a punch though. Keegan goes to slap that hand away and Connolly slaps Keegan in the face. Then Connolly tries to rip Keegan shirt off him and ends up dragging him down, Keegan goes down but still hasn't let go of the shirt so Connolly continues throwing slaps at Keegan arm.

That is literally what happens. Connolly more the aggressor than Keegan, very clearly from the video.

I never said Connolly is the victim here I am just saying there is no closed fist contact with Keegan's head and that is clear from the video. It's an open hand push in his face and a few swipes to remove keegan, nothing to the head.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 19-09-2016 01:46PM

Bambi wrote: »

lol freak goals, another excuse added to the pantheon of excuses.

But not to worry so, lightning can't strike twice in the same place can it? Mayo will have a handy win in two weeks time I'm sure you'll agree

Well they were freak goals in fairness.

If Boyle or McLoughlin had not made an effort to defend the goals wouldn't have been scored.

Peist2007 · 19-09-2016 01:48PM

AGC wrote: »

I never said Connolly is the victim here I am just saying there is no closed fist contact with Keegan's head and that is clear from the video. It's an open hand push in his face and a few swipes to remove keegan, nothing to the head.

You're unwittingly providing close to the definition of striking here you know

Dyr · 19-09-2016 01:49PM

Blud wrote: »

Keegan uses his free hand to try to knock Connolly's grip off -

Or to us the english lanaguage in all its accurate glory, Keegan punched Connolly. Silly by Lee but rules is rules. Red Card For Lee. Thank you. Free to Dublin

I wonder should we do a search to see who was applauding the umpire that had o'gara sent off against donegal for his literal interpretation of the rulebook?

AGC · 19-09-2016 01:49PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

You're unwittingly providing close to the definition of striking here you know

And?

The Talking Bread · 19-09-2016 01:50PM

christ, who cares. Keegan will do the same thing the next day to Connolly and Connolly will react on occassion. Keegan won't make any apologies for it, he is well aware what he is doing and I am sure he knows well everyone else knows so its just a matter of just about doing enough to stay onside. There is every chance one of them is going to react at one stage but its usually the player targetting the other in these sledging, jostling battles (ie the defender) who gets away with it. Keegan knows this. Keegan loves this part of the game, whilst Connolly hates it naturally.

Mayo fans should not need to try defend Keegan, it is obvious what he is doing but there is method to his madness, a madness which clearly helped Mayo overall yesterday. So its indefensible in that the evidence is there what he is doing but the reasons behind it are clear.

Its not nice to watch one of the best players in the last ten years not being able to showcase his talent but at the end of the day Mayo won't give a cr!p.

It is what it is and its up to the officials to regulate it.

19-09-2016 01:51PM

Kauto wrote: »

Dublin may well improve but huge room for Mayo to improve also. he wont drop Brogan and Flynn.

Dublin played a very poor Kerry team in the semi. Mayo are a different level to Kerry. The arrogance shown by a number of Dublin supporters and the rubbish written in the papers for the last two weeks was astounding. There will be very little between them again in the replay.

There has been very little arrogance and virtually no hype in Dublin, but Mayo supporters are at it again if they believe that.

Peist2007 · 19-09-2016 01:52PM

AGC wrote: »

And?

And Connolly should be banned for the crack he was at yesterday. He threw four or five strikes in that incident. Whether fist was closed or connection was made is not relevant to the offence.

Dyr · 19-09-2016 01:54PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Well they were freak goals in fairness.

If Boyle or McLoughlin had not made an effort to defend the goals wouldn't have been scored.

First one took two deflections, one a good block that prevented brogan from scoring.

Second could have gone anywhere but andrews(?) was coming in behind it.

Both from Mayo full back line caught out with a nice footpass over the top, or a freakish boot you like.

As my old safety trainer used to say: accidents don't just happen.

AGC · 19-09-2016 01:55PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

And Connolly should be banned for the crack he was at yesterday. He threw four or five strikes in that incident. Whether fist was closed or connection was made is not relevant to the offence.

Get a grip will you, there was no sending off offences yesterday and won't be any retrospective action as it was dealt with.

TonyStark · 19-09-2016 01:57PM

Blud wrote: »

There's a video on youtube, I think you should watch it again.

The camera pans to them and at that stage they're already both holding each other's jersey, nothing major. Keegan uses his free hand to try to knock Connolly's grip off - it's Keegan who first tries to get away. Connolly then seems to stick a closed fist into Keenan's face - wouldn't really call it a punch though. Keegan goes to slap that hand away and Connolly slaps Keegan in the face. Then Connolly tries to rip Keegan shirt off him and ends up dragging him down, Keegan goes down but still hasn't let go of the shirt so Connolly continues throwing slaps at Keegan arm.

That is literally what happens. Connolly more the aggressor than Keegan, very clearly from the video.

These are the stills. Connolly the aggressor he has his ams locked around Keegan.

Dyr · 19-09-2016 01:57PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

And Connolly should be banned for the crack he was at yesterday. He threw four or five strikes in that incident. Whether fist was closed or connection was made is not relevant to the offence.

If poor oul dermo's retaliation upset you I'd say you're furious about Leeroys two fouls before dublins first goal. You must be hopping that he wasn't sent off for those

Tombo2001 · 19-09-2016 01:58PM

Blud wrote: »

There's a video on youtube, I think you should watch it again.

The camera pans to them and at that stage they're already both holding each other's jersey, nothing major. Keegan uses his free hand to try to knock Connolly's grip off - it's Keegan who first tries to get away. Connolly then seems to stick a closed fist into Keenan's face - wouldn't really call it a punch though. Keegan goes to slap that hand away and Connolly slaps Keegan in the face. Then Connolly tries to rip Keegan shirt off him and ends up dragging him down, Keegan goes down but still hasn't let go of the shirt so Connolly continues throwing slaps at Keegan arm.

That is literally what happens. Connolly more the aggressor than Keegan, very clearly from the video.

But the whole thing starts with Keegan walking over to Connolly, completely unprovoked, and pushing him full on two hands in the chest.

And it ends with Keegan waving his fists in victory when Connolly is being booked.

Part of the modern game? Its stupid stuff really, and just as bad from Connolly that he cant just ignore it, and I certainly wouldn't want my kids trying to copying the way the two of them go on.

Having said that, they are the two most interesting players on the pitch.

elefant · 19-09-2016 01:58PM

Blud wrote: »

COC - pure class. Everything he did was right. The comparisons with Rock on here before the game proved laughable.

Think this is way OTT.

Showed great courage to kick the equaliser, but I didn't see anything special from him the rest of the game. One particularly awful hand-pass to nobody in front of the goals wasted a good scoring chance for Mayo.

Blud · 19-09-2016 02:01PM

Tombo2001 wrote: »

But the whole thing starts with Keegan walking over to Connolly, completely unprovoked, and pushing him full on two hands in the chest.

And it ends with Keegan waving his fists in victory when Connolly is being booked.

Part of the modern game? Its stupid stuff really, and just as bad from Connolly that he cant just ignore it, and I certainly wouldn't want my kids trying to copying the way the two of them go on.

Having said that, they are the two most interesting players on the pitch.

Keegan waving his fists in victory?

Video link or it didn't happen. Your call.

Blud · 19-09-2016 02:03PM

elefant wrote: »

Think this is way OTT.

Showed great courage to kick the equaliser, but I didn't see anything special from him the rest of the game. One particularly awful hand-pass to nobody in front of the goals wasted a good scoring chance for Mayo.

A lot of ball went through him second half when he came deeper, he played some really good balls into Moran into space around Cooper.

Agreed on that hand pass though, had forgotten about that one. I'm still not sure what he was even trying there!

Dirty Dingus McGee · 19-09-2016 02:03PM

Bambi wrote: »

First one took two deflections, one a good block that prevented brogan from scoring.

Second could have gone anywhere but andrews(?) was coming in behind it.

Both from Mayo full back line caught out with a nice footpass over the top, or a freakish boot you like.

As my old safety trainer used to say: accidents don't just happen.

Pure bad luck for both goals sure you could argue why was the ball anywhere near the goals in the first place but when you concede 2 goals because of deflections it is pretty bad luck that both deflections ended up in the back of the net.

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