SFC Final - Dublin v Mayo - *Read Mod Note in post #1 & #1393*

ProudDUB

Free tubs of coddle on the Hill. All welcome.

Feel free to park the venom & bile at the door.

Here's the usual mod note:
No personal abuse of other posters. No name calling of players or managers. Generally calling a player (or manager) variants of sc*m(bag), kn***er, etc. (ye can probably think of more colourful ones) will get you carded/banned. If you've come to our attention recently, any indiscretions will likely get you banned.
To whoever wins: For the love of jaysus will ye win gracefully!!! Ye have just won Sam Maguire! Rubbing the opposition's nose in it should be the last thing on your mind.

Additional mod note here.

Enjoy the game.

PARlance

Will there be an Information Board to follow?

ProudDUB

Does the free coddle (and chocolate hobnobs if you know the secret handshake) not count as Information?

PARlance

ProudDUB wrote: »

Does the free coddle (and chocolate hobnobs if you know the secret handshake) not count as Information?

That's no good to me if I can't work the turnstile.

Stoner

Ok Johnny Cooper out in front of Andy Moran

Philly on AOS again with McCarthy chipping in.

MDMA with Fenton to start now good match for SOS and Parsons.
Small should be ok on DOC.

Concerned about COC
Forwards as today, Mayo as concerned s out number 3 as the Dubs. So I'd exploit that too.

Barlett

I wonder how many pages this thread will amass!?

ProudDUB

Barlett wrote: »

I wonder how many pages red, yellow & black cards, this thread will amass!?

Fixed that for you.

Bunny Colvin

ProudDUB wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Shut up, Dub.




: )

ProudDUB

Yore Ma !

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

Ok Johnny Cooper out in front of Andy Moran

Philly on AOS again with McCarthy chipping in.

MDMA with Fenton to start now good match for SOS and Parsons.
Small should be ok on DOC.

Concerned about COC
Forwards as today, Mayo as concerned s out number 3 as the Dubs. So I'd exploit that too.

Leeroy vs Connolly... the headline act.
Kevin Mc will have to be very closey watched too, won't they all. There'll be some cracking match ups throughout the field.

Both teams weak point being the FB line will be interesting. Getting and winning decent ball into our FF line will be key, an area we've improved upon since last year. AO'S was lost in there for the replay. Kerry seemed to get a lot of joy attacking down the flanks, we'll need DO'C firing and he could be the main man to exploit that. A lot will hinge on the midfield match ups.

It's Dublins to lose, there isn't enough good land down here for us all to hide in the long grass so we'll have to jump behind a stone wall.

yop

Can we line up all the cliches first though?

"Mayo will bottle it", "Mayo will get battered" "Dublin are playing at home (they are though! )" "Refs mothers sister blew off a Dub in Coppers one night", "Mayo will bottle it" "Dubs don't own the hill" "O'Shea is a diving cheat" "Connolly is a scumbag" "Cooper is a scumbag" "Keegan is a scumbag"

What the fk is coddle?

Mayo4Sam

Should be a cracker, Mayo won't lie down and even though we have been poor all year I think we have one final big performance. Whether its enough I am not sure, Dublin did it when they had to yesterday, Kerry didn't take their chances, though Dublin kicked a lot of wides.
I think Dublin could concede a few goals, Mayo could also though.

What odds on a draw, Ill be dead in the corner if it is!

Stoner

yop wrote:

What the fk is coddle?

Well yop since you don't know, it's stew that they use sossages instead of beef, a much more elaborate meal today then it once was.

You know in some old country houses years ago that pot that was kept on the go 24/7 with
Everything thing fired into in it ? well that's Mayo coddle.

My old man's stories about the old days in Dublin , eating sheeps heads, pigs feet, milking cows in the cattle market and the state of some of the cows, sieving weevils out of the flour dozens of people in tiny living areas.

Well coddle is part of that for me, I'm not eating it

All these manky foods that people only ate years ago because it's all that was available now delicacies.

Anyway. I think the run up to the game will be quiet. No injuries for anyone, no cards to overturn.

Was talking to some of the kerry lads yesterday, really we both feared Mayo in the final, but I think the closeness of the game yesterday will benefit Dublin.
Mayo can see how much trouble Star caused Dublin yesterday, yet it kind of didn't at the same time. AOSs mobility added to that mix could be a issue. But we know now what to expect.

Barry Moran has to start for Mayo and our Fenton will need to be on the ball against him.

I don't think brogan will be as isolated as he was yesterday.

It'll all really depends on who shows up, SOS or MDMA (good yesterday)

Johnny Cooper is playing his best football and has been keeping his mouth shut this year so I'm hoping he carries that into the game.
Well see if the Mayo lads are as fit this year too.

Should be a cracker.

One_Of_Shanks

Has all the makings of a cracker of a game. I definitely don't buy into all this nonsense about Mayo "not being able" for Dublin, they'll be well able for them.
Fancy it to be every bit as close as yesterday's game and go right to the wire, whichever team edges it will have to win it the hard way.

It's still 3 weeks away though, I'm still digesting yesterday's match!

Dyr

Ehhhh...we don't know if any Dublin players are carrying knocks right now

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

Barry Moran has to start for Mayo and our Fenton will need to be on the ball against him.

I don't think brogan will be as isolated as he was yesterday.

It'll all really depends on who shows up, SOS or MDMA (good yesterday).

I can't see Barry starting myself, not in midfield ahead of SO'S, Parsons/Vaughan. I don't think we'll see him starting in the FB line either.

An option / role I would consider for him would be to bring him on for Andy after 50/55 mins or so. Throw Aidan up alongside him in the FF line and try to get some decent ball into the two of them.

homewardbound11

Worrying thing for Mayo is that Dublin didn't really focus on scoring goals today. They had a few opportunities all right but it was clear it wasn't a focus .
Second worrying thing is Dublin really could have won by a lot more . The 2 goals yesterday were bad goal keeping. That gave Kerry the kick start they needed .
The level of control Dublin had up to that was scary .

Simply put for Mayo to have any hope they must maintain possession

Blud

homewardbound11 wrote: »

Worrying thing for Mayo is that Dublin didn't really focus on scoring goals today. They had a few opportunities all right but it was clear it wasn't a focus .
Second worrying thing is Dublin really could have won by a lot more . The 2 goals yesterday were bad goal keeping. That gave Kerry the kick start they needed .
The level of control Dublin had up to that was scary .

Simply put for Mayo to have any hope they must maintain possession

Agree with the first part. Have it on good authority that Gavin's last words before going out on the pitch were "And remember lads, don't bother with goals today"

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

I can't see Barry starting myself, not in midfield ahead of SO'S, Parsons/Vaughan. I don't think we'll see him starting in the FB line either.

He's possibly the best fielder in the game though, Mayo will need to play to their strengths.

PARlance

Stoner wrote: »

He's possibly the best fielder in the game though, Mayo will need to play to their strengths.

Best fielder no doubt but he's also probably the least agile of them and I think that'll be needed against you more.

keeponhurling

If Mayo's big players, i.e AOS, COC, Andy Moran, Keegan, Higgins etc. all play as well they they can, Mayo can win.

but they've been a bit hit and miss this year, so a Dublin win is more likely.

The_Kew_Tour

Dublin by 7-10 for me I'm afraid.

This Dublin team are a monster. I love watching them, even as Corkman I totally admire them. They have mainly very likeable players too.

Dyr

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dublin by 7-10 for me I'm afraid.

This Dublin team are a monster. I love watching them, even as Corkman I totally admire them. They have mainly very likeable players too.

Never going to happen, Mayo aren't Laois.

flasher0030

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dublin by 7-10 for me I'm afraid.

This Dublin team are a monster. I love watching them, even as Corkman I totally admire them. They have mainly very likeable players too.

Read that first as 7 goals and 10 points. Now, that would be some beating.

The_Kew_Tour

Ah lads Mayo aren't Laois

TCDStudent1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dublin by 7-10 for me I'm afraid.

This Dublin team are a monster. I love watching them, even as Corkman I totally admire them. They have mainly very likeable players too.

Dublin are a class team. But they are not a 7 - 10 point better team than Mayo. The only way I can see them doing this is if they have something like a 3 point lead near the end, Mayo are attacking leaving themselves exposed & then Dublin getting a goal followed up with a couple of victory points. However, its hard to see a comprehensive 7 - 10 point victory.

Always_Running

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Dublin are a class team. But they are not a 7 - 10 point better team than Mayo. The only way I can see them doing this is if they have something like a 3 point lead near the end, Mayo are attacking leaving themselves exposed & then Dublin getting a goal followed up with a couple of victory points. However, its hard to see a comprehensive 7 - 10 point victory.

I hope its competitive final like Sundays Kerry v Dublin semi final was but the main cause of concern for Mayo is their form this year which mirrors their 2011 or 2004 form where they eventually picked up a trimming.

ProudDUB

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Dublin are a class team. But they are not a 7 - 10 point better team than Mayo. The only way I can see them doing this is if they have something like a 3 point lead near the end, Mayo are attacking leaving themselves exposed & then Dublin getting a goal followed up with a couple of victory points. However, its hard to see a comprehensive 7 - 10 point victory.

The margin of victory in their last championship meeting was 7 points. Their recent history does not back up your post.

gormdubhgorm

I think this is going to be one of the most one sided all-ireland finals in recent history.

Dublin have improved and have injected patience and calmness into thier play.

Mayo have regressed.

I am starting to think the Dublin v Kerry Semi-Final was the final in all but name and was THE game to be at.

Strangely this Final almost seems like a side show.

Mayo just going there trying to avoid getting hammered (on the pitch anyway).

Dublin will be planning for the three in a row once the Dublin club championships finish.

martyos121

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think this is going to be one of the most one sided all-ireland finals in recent history.

Dublin have improved and have injected patience and calmness into thier play.

Mayo have regressed.

I am starting to think the Dublin v Kerry Semi-Final was the final in all but name and was THE game to be at.

Strangely this Final almost seems like a side show.

Mayo just going there trying to avoid getting hammered (on the pitch anyway).

Dublin will be planning for the three in a row once the Dublin club championships finish.

Sure we might as well not even show up. If we don't get beat by more than 18 points, we can all go home happy knowing we tried our best right? :rolleyes:



They all come out this time of year lol.

One_Of_Shanks

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think this is going to be one of the most one sided all-ireland finals in recent history.

Dublin have improved and have injected patience and calmness into thier play.

Mayo have regressed.

I am starting to think the Dublin v Kerry Semi-Final was the final in all but name and was THE game to be at.

Strangely this Final almost seems like a side show.

Mayo just going there trying to avoid getting hammered (on the pitch anyway).

Dublin will be planning for the three in a row once the Dublin club championships finish.

I don't get this at all. I'll be bloody amazed if there is more than a few points between these going into the last knockings. Either way.

I'm a Dub, I actually hope you're right but I think it will be mighty close and I wouldn't be in the least bit dismissive of Mayo.

It's an All Ireland final, Mayo have way less pressure than us, they're the under-dog which can be a good thing, and there have been a million bigger upsets in sport than Mayo winning this.

For Mayo to win they'll need to get everything spot on tactically and be at their best and out-work Dublin.

No reason why that cannot happen.

I'd rather be playing Tyrone (who Mayo beat) than be playing Mayo, personally.

Silversun

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think this is going to be one of the most one sided all-ireland finals in recent history.

Dublin have improved and have injected patience and calmness into thier play.

Mayo have regressed.

I am starting to think the Dublin v Kerry Semi-Final was the final in all but name and was THE game to be at.

Strangely this Final almost seems like a side show.

Mayo just going there trying to avoid getting hammered (on the pitch anyway).

Dublin will be planning for the three in a row once the Dublin club championships finish.

100% agree, last Sunday's game was the decider in my opinion.
I hope Mayo do come out and give it there all to make it a close game.
Having seen Dublin come back from five points down and winning the game like they did last week I just can't see a team like mayo winning. I'm sure Theyl have doubts about themselves being able to win this one in the back of there minds.

corny

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I don't get this at all. I'll be bloody amazed if there is more than a few points between these going into the last knockings. Either way.

I'm a Dub, I actually hope you're right but I think it will be mighty close and I wouldn't be in the least bit dismissive of Mayo.

It's an All Ireland final, Mayo have way less pressure than us, they're the under-dog which can be a good thing, and there have been a million bigger upsets in sport than Mayo winning this.

For Mayo to win they'll need to get everything spot on tactically and be at their best and out-work Dublin.

No reason why that cannot happen.

I'd rather be playing Tyrone (who Mayo beat) than be playing Mayo, personally.

That stuff is irrelevant. Dublin don't do pressure or hype or any of that nonsense. They've proved it time and again. You'll get the usual performance from them on the day. Mayo are in a similar boat. The talk of curses and pressure is completely lost on the current team.

I'm normally not big on predicting hammerings or one sided non events but i'm finding hard to make a case for a Mayo win. Objectively they've been average all season. Even in the Tyrone game the quality wasn't great. Its fine saying they have one big performance in them but if you're cold about it the form might actually point to Dublin winning comfortably.

Dyr

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

It's an All Ireland final, Mayo have way less pressure than us, they're the under-dog which can be a good thing,

Mayo may be the underdog but there's more pressure on them, most of this Dublin team have three all irelands under their belt while going for a double. The perceived logic is that doubles in the modern game are near impossible because a team can't keep up that level of hard work and commitment for two years on the trot. Dublin have managed the hard work and now they need to perform for 70 minutes or so the achieve something special

Mayo on the other hand, fired a manager through player power and now, if they don't deliver, the players will have no one else to blame. They really can't afford to lose this and they've been prone to panicking this year.

Westernyelp

gormdubhgorm wrote:

I think this is going to be one of the most one sided all-ireland finals in recent history.

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Dublin have improved and have injected patience and calmness into thier play.

gormdubhgorm wrote:

I am starting to think the Dublin v Kerry Semi-Final was the final in all but name and was THE game to be at.

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Mayo have regressed.

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Strangely this Final almost seems like a side show.

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Mayo just going there trying to avoid getting hammered (on the pitch anyway).

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Dublin will be planning for the three in a row once the Dublin club championships finish.

What's it like living under a bridge Mr troll?

One_Of_Shanks

@ Bambi, Corny,

Fair enough. You think the pressure is on Mayo more so than Dublin then ok, I'm surprised by people saying that but each to their own.

ProudDUB

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

@ Bambi, Corny,

Fair enough. You think the pressure is on Mayo more so than Dublin then ok, I'm surprised by people saying that but each to their own.

Dublin are going for their 4th All Ireland this decade & have a very settled management set up. Mayo are going for their 1st AI in 60 odd years & are coming off a winter of player led, management drama.

If you set everyones county allegiances (mine is pretty bloody obvious) and all the na na na, oneupmanship stuff going on, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what county is under the most pressure to deliver Sam this year.

One_Of_Shanks

ProudDUB wrote: »

Dublin are going for their 4th All Ireland this decade & have a very settled management set up. Mayo are going for their 1st AI in 60 odd years & are coming off a winter of player led, management drama.

If you set everyones county allegiances (mine is pretty bloody obvious) and all the na na na, oneupmanship stuff going on, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what county is under the most pressure to deliver Sam this year.

You being serious?

What I meant by pressure was the media, the tag of being favourites, the burden of expectation.
That kind of pressure.

I'm well aware that Mayo have gone donkeys years without a title, my missus is a Mayo lass.

I was speaking from a Dublin point of view about people expecting us to win.

I think you've taken me up wrong here.

ProudDUB

Yes, I am being serious. There is far less pressure on a county that has won the damm thing 3 times in the last 5 years, than there is on the county who hasn't won it since Moses was a boy. They are the cold hard facts.

corny

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

@ Bambi, Corny,

Fair enough. You think the pressure is on Mayo more so than Dublin then ok, I'm surprised by people saying that but each to their own.

I don't think there's more pressure on Mayo. I think 'pressure' (as in pressure of the build up) will be completely irrelevant to the performances on the day. The evidence would firmly point to that.

Mayo are not going to perform poorly because players from their county lost an All Ireland 40 years ago. They've been a remarkably consistent side in the face of this 'pressure' for some time now. That won't change.

Similarly, i can't think of a game where i thought Dublin underperformed because they couldn't handle the expectation or pressure. Not dealing with a small sample size with Dublin either. They've literally never lost when the top two inches were the decisive factor.

One_Of_Shanks

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yes, I am being serious. There is far less pressure on a county that has won the damm thing 3 times in the last 5 years, than there is on the county who hasn't won it since Moses was a boy. They are the cold hard facts.

If I'm playing for the team expected (by most of the country) to win then I feel more pressure than if I'm on the team expected to lose.

Mayo should be approaching this saying everyone expects The Dubs to win, we'll go out and spoil the party.
Leave the pressure on the favourites.

The media, 30 other counties, everyone is fancying the Dubs. That brings its own pressure.

Mayo are expected to lose anyway so where's the pressure?

It's down to how you look at it I suppose but if im the mayo manager I'm telling my team the pressure is on Dublin.

One_Of_Shanks

corny wrote: »

I don't think there's more pressure on Mayo. I think 'pressure' (as in pressure of the build up) will be completely irrelevant to the performances on the day. .

Fair enough fella.

I didn't mean to spark a debate about it anyway initially.

Interesting replies all the same

Fr Tod Umptious

"Pressure", and its opposite, "hunger" are totally intangible.

There is no way of measuring either before a game, and even after a game its not always clear whether one or other was a factor in the winning or losing of the game.

CatInABox

One thing that massively favours the Dubs is the test that they got from Kerry. I don't have any inside knowledge of how Dublin training is going or anything, but I can well imagine that Cluxton, a notorious perfectionist, will have the team practising plan A, B, C and D for their kickouts.

I can't see Mayo having the same success on his kickouts as Kerry managed, I can't see him getting rattled, and that's where about ten of Kerrys points came from in the minutes before half time. They'd have scored some points without it, but the game probably wouldn't have been close without Cluxton getting rattled.

Barlett

I'm starting to think the people who believe Dublin have already won the final are either trolls or pretty don't watch football from one end of the year to the next bar a couple of 'big' games

Menoetius

Barlett wrote: »

I'm starting to think the people who believe Dublin have already won the final are either trolls or pretty don't watch football from one end of the year to the next bar a couple of 'big' games

100% agree, nobody, in any sport, is unbeatable.

Let's not forget this Mayo team took us to a replay last year, and we are an all star and the player of the year down in defense.

Yes we are favourites, and rightly so, but to write Mayo off is crazy stuff.

mansize

Barlett wrote: »

I'm starting to think the people who believe Dublin have already won the final are either trolls or pretty don't watch football from one end of the year to the next bar a couple of 'big' games

http://www.oddschecker.com/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-ireland-senior-football-championship/winner

The bookies have Dublin almost unbackable

Bunny Colvin

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yes, I am being serious. There is far less pressure on a county that has won the damm thing 3 times in the last 5 years, than there is on the county who hasn't won it since Moses was a boy. They are the cold hard facts.

Don't think so. Dublin are clear favorites with the bookies. They are tipped by almost all pundits to win the game and get the 2IAR. Dublin fans aren't expecting Mayo to go up and win it especially with Mayo's form this year, we've almost stumbled into this final. The fact Mayo haven't won it since '51, means any Mayo supporter going up to Croke Park won't be overly confident - there's an air of "I'll believe it win I see it happen". I've seen us lose six finals in Croke Park (too young for '89) so there's no chance that there's any real expectation with most supporters. We've certainly a chance of winning it but that kind of thinking won't be transferred onto the players.

The cold hard facts are there, if there is any pressure, it's on Dublin - not that it will affect them much.

One_Of_Shanks

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

Don't think so. Dublin are clear favorites with the bookies. They are tipped by almost all pundits to win the game and get the 2IAR. Dublin fans aren't expecting Mayo to go up and win it especially with Mayo's form this year, we've almost stumbled into this final. The fact Mayo haven't won it since '51, means any Mayo supporter going up to Croke Park won't be overly confident - there's an air of "I'll believe it win I see it happen". I've seen us lose six finals in Croke Park (too young for '89) so there's no chance that there's any real expectation with most supporters. We've certainly a chance of winning it but that kind of thinking won't be transferred onto the players.

The cold hard facts are there, if there is any pressure, it's on Dublin .

Spot on

ArielAtom

This is Mayo's to lose, to much pressure on the Dubs.

Bunny Colvin

ArielAtom wrote: »

This is Mayo's to lose, to much pressure on the Dubs.

No need for the hyperbole. I was responding to ProudDub who thinks if there's any pressure then it's on Mayo. I don't think the 'cold hard facts' back his opinion up at all, it's the opposite actually.

This Dublin team are well able to handle it, as we saw last week - so it's a mute argument anyway. If Mayo can get a lead up, then Dublin will have to respond (like they responded in the last quarter of last year's replay) but Mayo's job is too put them in that position again.

ArielAtom

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

No need for the hyperbole. I was responding to ProudDub who thinks if there's any pressure then it's on Mayo. I don't think the 'cold hard facts' back his opinion up at all, it's the opposite actually.

This Dublin team are well able to handle it, as we saw last week - so it's a mute argument anyway. If Mayo can get a lead up, then Dublin will have to respond (like they responded in the last quarter of last year's replay) but Mayo's job is too put them in that position again.

Not a hyperbole response. Mayo are lying in the long grass having underperformed all year, waiting to peak for the final. I think Mayo are going in as massive underdogs and have nothing to lose but a lot to win. However, JG will not let the panel buy into any of it.