Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Stheno

Ballynally wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0702/1232724-oleary-criticises-govt-over-covid-cert-implementation/

O'leary article on RTE news channel. I didnt hear the interview and i take it this article has some of the highlights.
I am usually against a lot of what he says but he made some good points here.
The reason the government is not playing ball is because they dont want what everybody else in the EU has agreed to and already implementing.
They are even pushing the idea that july 19 is too early via dr.Cillian de Gascun, and that kind of sickens me as the man has been fairly reasonable so far.
It means that if they have any chance to delay the july19 date they will. If they are going to use the HSE hack as an excuse it is clear o' Leary is right.

From the article:

"What have you been doing for the last 6 weeks since the DCC was first announced?"/ (Is exactly what i have been thinking).

Mr O’Leary also sought confirmation from Mr Ryan that the Covid certificate system will be immediately switched on for all 1.5 million fully vaccinated people here, claiming they pose no threat or risk to the the National Public Health Emergency Team’s (NPHET) "variant scariant lockdown narrative."

Earlier, Dr Cillian de Gascun, the Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory and member of NPHET expressed a personal view that it would be "too early" to open up travel to other EU member states on July 19.

Watch this space...

I think they have six weeks from July 1st to roll out the DCC

niallo27

Ballynally wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0702/1232724-oleary-criticises-govt-over-covid-cert-implementation/

O'leary article on RTE news channel. I didnt hear the interview and i take it this article has some of the highlights.
I am usually against a lot of what he says but he made some good points here.
The reason the government is not playing ball is because they dont want what everybody else in the EU has agreed to and already implementing.
They are even pushing the idea that july 19 is too early via dr.Cillian de Gascun, and that kind of sickens me as the man has been fairly reasonable so far.
It means that if they have any chance to delay the july19 date they will. If they are going to use the HSE hack as an excuse it is clear o' Leary is right.

From the article:

"What have you been doing for the last 6 weeks since the DCC was first announced?"/ (Is exactly what i have been thinking).

Mr O’Leary also sought confirmation from Mr Ryan that the Covid certificate system will be immediately switched on for all 1.5 million fully vaccinated people here, claiming they pose no threat or risk to the the National Public Health Emergency Team’s (NPHET) "variant scariant lockdown narrative."

Earlier, Dr Cillian de Gascun, the Director of the National Virus Reference Laboratory and member of NPHET expressed a personal view that it would be "too early" to open up travel to other EU member states on July 19.

Watch this space...

I listened to his interview and his main point was why in the name of Jesus are we the only 1 out of 27 European nations that have not turned on the covid passport. The government told him it was ready to be turned on but they havent done it. We are a joke.

JRant

Stheno wrote: »

I think they have six weeks from July 1st to roll out the DCC

Despite MM saying he still commits to the 19th for implementation I firmly believe this will be delayed for the full 6 weeks.

Beechwoodspark

JRant wrote: »

If only there was a term for copy and pasting the same post across multiple threads.

Address my post please?

Deeper Blue

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I try to represent what I call the silent majority

The "silent majority" exists only in your head

Ballynally

JRant wrote: »

De Gascun should stick to his wheelhouse and leave matters of national policy to the government. NPHET have given their letter, random members of the their inner sanctum being roled out for soundbites is not what they are paid to do.

You read my mind.
It might be that they are circling the wagons, everybody on message, pushing any delay by any means.
And you are dead right. De Gascun should stick to what he is hired for.
It is now clear that they are all ready to voice their opinion which of course is the cabinet's opinion while claiming everything is on track.
It is sad to see that kind of thing happening to otherwise reasonable people.
They are doubling down after the TH debacle and the pushback.

bear1

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Same view against the tide of other views.

I try to represent what I call the silent majority

I try to flag that Boards users views are skewed in terms of the overall national sentiment.

Who are the silent majority?

prunudo

JRant wrote: »

De Gascun should stick to his wheelhouse and leave matters of national policy to the government. NPHET have given their letter, random members of the their inner sanctum being roled out for soundbites is not what they are paid to do.

I've said it for a long time, but anyone involved with nphet shouldn't be doing media interviews. Their remit is to advise government, not push personally agendas, get in early with their opinions or put in ground work to pave the way they wish to steer the direction of restrictions.
They know exactly what they're doing when they're being rolled out left right and centre on every current affairs programme going.

The same goes for using social media like Twitter, it should solely be for personal opinions, not going off on one a Saturday night in their capacity as cmo or whatever position they hold.

Ballynally

Stheno wrote: »

I think they have six weeks from July 1st to roll out the DCC

Yes, that is true.
But they came out w the july19 date before the EU said they wanted it implemented asap, july 1st officially.
Legally they can push it back to six weeks after that but people, including EU citizens have booked flights w july 19 in mind.
If they NOW try and push that date back without a good enough reason it means they will stop at nothing to try and delay.
It is going to P off many europeans and i think and hope that is the reason that they probably wont dare.
But no, it wouldnt surprise me..

prunudo

Ballynally wrote: »

Yes, that is true.
But they came out w the july19 date before the EU said they wanted it implemented asap, july 1st officially.
Legally they can push it back to six weeks after that but people, including EU citizens have booked flights w july 19 in mind.
If they NOW try and push that date back without a good enough reason it means they will stop at nothing to try and delay.
It is going to P off many europeans and i think and hope that is the reason that they probably wont dare.
But no, it wouldnt surprise me..

Surely not, there's no people stuck here waiting to return to see family in their home countries. The only people who want to fly out are Irish who want to go on the piss in the sun, and we all know the virus loves alcohol. Tony can't be having that on his watch.

JRant

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Address my post please?

Your post?

You mean the one you copy and pasted from The Irish Time letters section into multiple threads?

What is your opinion on it?

Marcusm

Deleted User wrote: »

In a much earlier iteration of this thread, I recounted the case of a family I know who had to seek legal advice to get 'Covid 19' removed as cause of death from their middle-aged father's death certificate. The father was overrun with cancer and in his last visit with the consultant had been given a matter of weeks to live. Sure as such, he passed within weeks as at least 4 different cancers spread throughout his body. In a postmortem, he tested positive for Covid 19 and all of a sudden cancer(s) didn't matter.

That was a year ago. Ever since then I've doubted official figures. Plus, never mind my anecdotal account - It's almost a year to the day since we had the findings of a HIQA report about the likely overestimation of Covid 19 deaths up to that point. It was our government's first admission of 'Died of Covid/Died with Covid' not making a difference to the official figures, as Varadkar commented...



Many people in Ireland have unfortunately succumbed to this virus, but not 5,000 thankfully. As our Tánaiste admitted a year ago, the numbers are skewed.

As is the case in the U.K. Their metric is death within 30 days of a positive test meaning those who recover and are murdered or die in car collisions still count as covid deaths.

ACitizenErased

Unless there's a very ****ing good reason the EU want us to open to travel July 19th. Only country in Europe who didn't launch the DCC yesterday.

Stheno

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Unless there's a very ****ing good reason the EU want us to open to travel July 19th. Only country in Europe who didn't launch the DCC yesterday.

Do you mean you think it will not be open?

Marcusm

Marcusm wrote: »

As is the case in the U.K. Their metric is death within 30 days of a positive test meaning those who recover and are murdered or die in car collisions still count as covid deaths.

The real question is why are all these recovered Covid patients getting murdered?

ACitizenErased

Stheno wrote: »

Do you mean you think it will not be open?

As far as I know the stop agreement in the DCC is for exceptional reasons. I see no reason why we should stop people.


I'm off on August 20th anyway, booked and all.

Stheno

ACitizenErased wrote: »

As far as I know the stop agreement in the DCC is for exceptional reasons. I see no reason why we should stop people.


I'm off on August 20th anyway, booked and all.

I am hoping to get away mid September

I'm not terribly confident tbh

the kelt

Stheno wrote: »

I am hoping to get away mid September

I'm not terribly confident tbh

I don’t blame ye tbh, reality is if NPHET decide it shouldn’t happen on the 19th, it won’t.

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

No. Because when there was no vaccinations - having a young population most certainly was not an effective prophylatic to stop older cohorts being at risk from serious illness and death

And its not the 'very old btw. All those who are medically vulnerable regardless of age are at risk from serious illness without vaccination.

But we already know this.

Read back what you wrote.

FileNotFound

Red Silurian wrote: »

You left out the most important figure from the UK... Vaccines

Over 44m of a population of about 65m, almost 70% of their population... Ireland are way behind in that.

Also the UK have a stronger health service and have had many multiples of our cases and deaths per million so not really like-for-like

No I didn't actually ignore the vaccine figures, I have considered them.

UK at over 85% first dose v Ireland at just under 70%.

Then I compared 60k at 1 location v sitting socially distanced minimal numbers.
That in combination with the current increases in rollout.
Sure they had multiple times our cases like they have multiple times our population.

Are you also ignoring the rest of the EU?

Sure couldn't trust the Germans to do a good job with covid I suppose haha.

agoodpunt

yeah many suffering long covid 18 months already but I do get to travel every month or 2 for a break next trip 6 weeks away

gozunda

Zebra3 wrote: »

Very difficult to argue with that.

It really looks like we need a second opinion when what’s been given here looks so different to so much of the rest of Europe.

As we live in a democracy, members of NPHET would have no objection to this, right?

Here you go ...

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/threat-assessment-emergence-and-impact-sars-cov-2-delta-variant

gozunda

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Read back what you wrote.

And ...

Or is it that you think prophylactic just means a form of contraception?

Is it true that under the "green cert" thing that people from green list and amber list countries no longer even require a negative test for entry let alone a vaccine?

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

And ...

Or is it that you think prophylactic just means a form of contraception?

No No. I have children, thank you. Do you?

I suggest you read once again what you wrote. I'm not sure you caught your point.

Fils

Sobit1964 wrote: »

No No. I have children, thank you. Do you?

I suggest you read once again what you wrote. I'm not sure you caught your point.

Write she said and she never wrote.

gozunda

Sobit1964 wrote: »

No No. I have children, thank you. Do you?

I suggest you read once again what you wrote. I'm not sure you caught your point.

Perhaps you would explain - rather than make it a guessing game. Thanks.

Edit:

If I remember correctly this is the second such comment I've had to explain - the first was yesterday when questioned about the use of the term 'plague Island' as a term used by people in the UK.

:that was another poster - my bad.

MrMusician18

JRant wrote: »

De Gascun should stick to his wheelhouse and leave matters of national policy to the government. NPHET have given their letter, random members of the their inner sanctum being roled out for soundbites is not what they are paid to do.

Indeed, couldn't you too leave matters of national policy to the government too JRant?

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

Perhaps you would explain - rather than make it a guessing game. Thanks.

Edit:

If I remember correctly this is the second such comment I've had to explain - the first was yesterday when you questioned the use of the term 'plague Island' as a term used by people in the UK. I believe you thought they were 'ignorant people" for doing so?

Nothing to do with me. Can we stop cluttering up the thread now?

AlekSmart

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That’s completely beside the point

O Leary has been an absolute cretin for the entirety of the pandemic

Don’t be naive.

He cares about one thing. Ryanair profits.

Thankfully most ppl see through his agenda

I suggest that Ireland would have benefited greatly from placing this "Absolute Cretin" in charge of NPHET from the outset of this 15 month old "Public Health Emergency".

Mr O Leary's firm have cancelled my late August flight to a smaller London airport,but hey - ho I was able to rebook FREE OF CHARGE to a larger one (I always make a point of availing of ANYTHING offered FREE by Ryanair )

I,for one am thankful that the man cares about the financial health of HIS company,as that same level of concern is markedly absent from both Government and Public Health Advisors in relation to the Country at the moment.

Thankfully,as you suggest,I can indeed see right through O`Leary's agenda to the far more attractive scenario on the other side of it,so Bring it on sez I