Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Micky 32

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Leo trying to rein Tony in again it seems...



Somehow however, I don't think it'll be up to Leo and Micheal though. NPHET pushing fear and hysteria, and their one-note lockdown "strategy" means that they'll get their way in the end - again!

I've actually started to think that this nonsense could well go on until the 2 lads swap jobs next year, and Leo does what will look good for Leo - which in this case coincides with what most of the public want.. A return to actual normality.

Leo is probably right. We’ll see a spike in infections etc during this month but it will be short lived. By the end of this month we potentially will have administered another million shots. Not to mention how many more by the end of August. We will not see another January.

Chivito550

Chivito550 wrote: »

Big Covid lecture from the driver of train over the intercom before train leaves. Would he ever feck off and just drive the train. Nobody cares anymore.

Saying what?

That sounds daft.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Leo is probably right. We’ll see a spike in infections etc during this month but it will be short lived. By the end of this month we potentially will have administered another million shots. Not to mention how many more by the end of August. We will not see another January.

...which is exactly what is taking place in the UK presently.

Only a big fool would need complex modelling to portray the current situation. We all know what is going to happen. And NPHET are wrong - again.

Beechwoodspark

niallo27 wrote: »

Zero chance, there is no possible way they will be ready even if Tony allows it.

It’s not a matter of Tony “allowing it”

It comes down to the situation in terms of numbers and projections - all based on expert advice

KanyeSouthEast

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not a matter of Tony “allowing it”

It comes down to the situation in terms of numbers and projections - all based on expert advice

Numbers like less than 50 in hospital and 15 in ICU numbers?

Beechwoodspark

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Numbers like less than 50 in hospital and 15 in ICU numbers?

To my lay man’s view, delta has changed “the best laid plans”

To borrow a phrase - Man plans, the virus laughs....

Sadly this is the situation we are in now.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not a matter of Tony “allowing it”

It comes down to the situation in terms of numbers and projections - all based on expert advice

Expert advice means nothing if the advice is wrong.

NPHET have been omniwrong throughout this pandemic. True, they got it right at times and wrong at other times.

But they are not infallible. At this stage, simple logic and politics should lead the way and not fantasy projections from the dullest, least charismatic member of NPHET - dry Philip Nolan.

beaz2018

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

To my lay man’s view, delta has changed “the best laid plans”

To borrow a phrase - Man plans, the virus laughs....

Sadly this is the situation we are in now.

"Man plans, the virus laughs" is not a phrase.

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Expert advice means nothing if the advice is wrong.

NPHET have been omniwrong throughout this pandemic. True, they got it right at times and wrong at other times.

But they are not infallible. At this stage, simple logic and politics should lead the way and not fantasy projections from the dullest, least charismatic member of NPHET - dry Philip Nolan.

Personally - and I would say MOST ppl in Irl have this view - I don’t care not a wit or a jot about charisma, or if someone is dull or interesting

It ain’t showbiz. It ain’t Vegas.

Actually - dull is probably preferable in terms of qualities of a scientist/medic

I would strenuously agree they are not infallible btw. Infallibility would be a dreadful idea when it comes to scientific enquiry.

I care solely about their relevant expertise and what they can offer Govt in terms of sound advice

Beechwoodspark

beaz2018 wrote: »

"Man plans, the virus laughs" is not a phrase.

The original is man plans god laughs

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Personally - and I would say MOST ppl in Irl have this view - I don’t care not a wit or a jot about charisma, or if someone is dull or interesting

It ain’t showbiz. It ain’t Vegas.

Actually - dull is probably preferable in terms of qualities of a scientist/medic

I care solely about their relevant expertise and what they can offer Govt in terms of sound advice

Well, I do.

It pains me to half to death to listen to that dry, grating voice ramble on for a half a lecture; the Father Austin Purcell of medicine.

And based on these fantasy projections of 700k cases and 2,000+ deaths, he's not only dry but also seriously deluded.

Ballynally

is_that_so wrote: »

TBF the "looking at" has been passed to an expert group and some work has already been done on antigen testing recommendation. The logistics of it will be the real challenge.

Yes, i heared the interview the head of that group had on the radio.
The issue does lie w implementation but that is not the whole picture.
It is about the timing and willingness of parties to come to an agreement after reports are issued.
That can be fast or slow.
The cabinet and industry have opposite positions atm.
The cabinet wants tests, industry does not.
As i said before, the push and pull alone creates delay.
I have the feeling industry will at some point give way and accept antigen tests, just to get things going.
There is no reason f cabinet to give way. PCR tests are a non runner, neither are no tests.
After that it will take time for industry to implement the agreement.
Again, all this takes time..

the kelt

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not a matter of Tony “allowing it”

It comes down to the situation in terms of numbers and projections - all based on expert advice

What numbers?

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, I do.

It pains me to half to death to listen to that dry, grating voice ramble on for a half a lecture.

And based on these fantasy projections of 700k cases and 2,000+ deaths, he's not only dry but also seriously deluded.

Well, maybe listen to Ryan Tubridy or Claire Byrne /Ian Dempsey if you are looking for a professional broadcaster with a voice you like....

I would put it to you that The rest of society don’t particularly care about voices or charisma (or lack there with) of the national experts

Personally I don’t care if they have all the charisma and charm of a sodden cardboard cornflakes box.

The ppl of this country care about their expertise and the quality of their sound advice to our democratically elected leaders.

jakiah

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

They care about their expertise and the quality of their sound advice to our elected leaders.

You are right there. And when the quality of their sound advice is at odds with every other country in Europe they will reject it.

Wibbs

Micky 32 wrote: »

Leo is probably right. We’ll see a spike in infections etc during this month but it will be short lived. By the end of this month we potentially will have administered another million shots. Not to mention how many more by the end of August. We will not see another January.

I've a feeling we will. That this pox will become a background seasonal thing that does the rounds and we'll live with it like flu and pneumonia. Not nearly as destructively mind you, though my concern remains the politicians and some advisors who are reticent to let go of the limelight and power who will keep rattling the "massive spikes!" cage.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Well, maybe listen to Ryan Tubridy or Claire Byrne /Ian Dempsey if you are looking for a professional broadcaster with a voice you like....

I would put it to you that The rest of society don’t particularly care about voices or charisma (or lack there with) of the national experts

They care about their expertise and the quality of their sound advice to our elected leaders.

Agreed.

Which is why I referenced Nolan's erroneous, fantasy projections. I care far more about the fact that his figures are seriously deluded - so much so, that these projections have paralyzed government into freezing the reopening of not just part of hospitality, but all hospitality.

It's yet another shameful scar on the ugly face of this spineless government.

That said, I did send an email to Philip Nolan in the summer of last year, asking him to up the charisma and energy levels. I clearly failed in my attempt, as evidenced by the worsening charisma and energy levels dispensed from his vocal cords over the past year.

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agreed.

Which is why I referenced Nolan's erroneous, fantasy projections. I care far more about the fact that his figures are seriously deluded - so much so, that it has paralyzed government into freezing the reopening of not just part of hospitality, but all hospitality.

It's yet another shameful scar on the face of this spineless government.

That said, I did send an email to Philip Nolan in the summer of last year, asking him to up the charisma and energy levels. I clearly failed in my attempt, as evidenced by the worsening charisma and energy levels dispensed from his vocal cords over the past year.

I am NOT QUALIFIED to comment on his data projections.

But you ....wow.... It seems you believe you ARE qualified to involve yourself in the details. Well done you.

Can you let us know your qualifications, and why are not already advising Govt ?

I will be interested to hear about your alternative findings

Maybe NPHET will immediately clear a space for you to give them the benefit of your clearly superior wisdom and knowledge?

I will watch on with interest ...

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I am NOT QUALIFIED to comment on his data projections.

But you ....wow.... It seems you believe you ARE qualified to involve yourself in the details. Well done you.

I will be interested to hear about your alternative findings

Maybe NPHET will immediately clear a space for you to give them the benefit of your clearly superior wisdom and knowledge?

I will watch on with interest

Logic, common sense, and European COVID-19 comparisons are sufficient evidence to warrant re-opening hospitality. They have done the hard work for us, we need only follow suit. Look at the UK and how Delta cases are already beginning to plateau.

I don't need nor want modelling to back up my conclusions.

Chivito550

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Saying what?

That sounds daft.

Make sure to cough into your elbow, wear your mask properly, don't forget to keep social distancing blah blah.

Treating us like children basically.

prunudo

the kelt wrote: »

Genuine question.

Does anyone still believe we will be opening up indoor dining on the 19th of July to everyone as was planned for the 5th?

It should but it won't, thats what my gut is saying now.

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Logic, common sense, and European COVID-19 comparisons are sufficient evidence to warrant re-opening hospitality. They have done the hard work for us, we need only follow suit. Look at the UK and how Delta cases are already beginning to plateau.

I don't need nor want modelling to back up my conclusions.

Thanks for that....

So, on balance...I think Ireland’s leaders are better off going with NPHET and you know, actually qualified expert opinion ....over randomers on boards.

But thanks for giving your views ...

jakiah

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thanks for that....

So, on balance...I think Ireland’s leaders are better off going with NPHET and you know, actually qualified expert opinion ....over randomers on boards.



But thanks for giving your views ...

But NPHETs advice is an outlier when compared to other similarly qualified expert opinion elsewhere in Europe. I'll go with the wider expert consensus, but thanks for giving your views.

Ballynally

The internet has some terrible drawbacks.
On the positive side it is harder for official bodies to hide the data they are basing their decisions on.
In the old days the doctor in the white coat was the expert and, unless you were trained, you didnt know any better.
Trust me, im a doctor rings a different bell now.
It has become abundantly clear that the pictures/scenarios presented by official bodies have been manipulated to serve a specific purpose.
These are not neutral presentations of the science but corruptive ways to steer the boat in a certain direction.
If you still take experts' advice on these matters at face value without question i suggest a more skeptical approach to offset your naivete..
Broadening your mind in the process.

KanyeSouthEast

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thanks for that....

So, on balance...I think Ireland’s leaders are better off going with NPHET and you know, actually qualified expert opinion ....over randomers on boards.

But thanks for giving your views ...

What about the views of the rest of Europe? Paddy knows best is it?

Beechwoodspark

jakiah wrote: »

But NPHETs advice is an outlier when compared to other similarly qualified expert opinion elsewhere in Europe. I'll go with the wider expert consensus, but thanks for giving your views.

As I say, I have no expertise or qualifications in data modelling for pandemics.

Maybe you do, and fair play if you do.

jakiah

Ballynally wrote: »

The internet has some terrible drawbacks.
On the positive side it is harder for official bodies to hide the data they are basing their decisions on.
In the old days the doctor in the white coat was the expert and, unless you were trained, you didnt know any better.
Trust me, im a doctor rings a different bell now.
It has become abundantly clear that the pictures/scenarios presented by official bodies have been manipulated to serve a specific purpose.
These are not neutral presentations of the science but corruptive ways to steer the boat in a certain direction.
If you still take experts' advice on these matters at face value without question i suggest a more skeptical approach to offset your naivete..
Broadening your mind in the process.

On the other hand, the internet empowers us by allowing us see how all public health bodies are tackling the virus, not just our local one. This means if the local one goes on a kamikaze run, its easy to spot.

jakiah

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

As I say, I have no expertise or qualifications in data modelling for pandemics.

Maybe you do, and fair play if you do.

What? Im just taking the advice of the experts, same as you.

Beechwoodspark

jakiah wrote: »

What? Im just taking the advice of the experts, same as you.

I openly have no issue saying I’ve no qualifications in public health or managing a pandemic.

None whatsoever. None.

Neither do the govt.

so, the govt are taking the qualified expert advice of NPHET for this country, I’m happy with that. the majority of ppl are

some posters on boards opinion on this is wildly diverged from the general view in society.

I could bullsh1t and bluster and talk nonsense about trusting my gut feelings and common sense and not requiring data models yadda yadda yadda all day, but

On balance I’m happy we have NPHET there

jakiah

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

our govt are taking the advice of NPHET for this country, I’m happy with that. the majority of ppl are

some posters on boards opinion on this is wildly diverged from the general view in society.

So you reject the scientific consensus from outside Ireland? You are just doing exactly what you accuse others of doing - ignoring the science and expert advice. Comical.

the kelt

jakiah wrote: »

But NPHETs advice is an outlier when compared to other similarly qualified expert opinion elsewhere in Europe. I'll go with the wider expert consensus, but thanks for giving your views.

No our scientists and experts are way better than…. well all the rest of them all over Europe.

That’s how we have one of the lowest 14 day case rates per 100k people in the whole of the EU…. Oh actually hold on there!

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Well when I say the EU only 3 other countries has a higher case rate than us out of 30 despite the other 26 being more open that us all have lower case rates but yeah our lads seem to be really more “experter” than all those others.

A lot of them seem to use Antigen testing also, perhaps they’re all lying!